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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:19:00 -
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Everything has gone up
Basic is like 4k, advanced around 5-7k and proto around 7k+ but it varys for all the diff mods and weapons and dropsuits are alot more expenisve
My prot outfit was 70k, it is now around 280k so the price has gone up 4 times
My advanced fit is now 100k instead of 25k
Even basic fits are 58k
Now with the payout for each battle varying from 200k-400k it dictates what i can use while trying to turn a profit, in general i will be skint trying to use full proto, even advanced is pushing it
I understand that they want to make it more pricey so proto is only run by the best or by those which have backing but the majority will be running either basic or advanced and proto will be more of once in a blue moon
Even trying to run a proto gun with the advanced just rockets the price up but also if you used advanced for everything chances are you have enough CPU/PG to upgrade some advanced gear to proto but with doing that the overall price rockets up again
Overall i think we will not see many protosuits, advanced will be more popular and T2 suits will be common aswell but is it too expenisve?
Tbh players thought 70k was too expensive, some ppl couldnt run them often but now they aint gona run them, they will be lucky to not use milita fits because even the basic is 50k
Have CCP priced the majority out of a decent fit?
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Iceyburnz
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:23:00 -
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They've been raised I think because it is likely that some other aspect from the economy is incoming, either player trading, market trading or industry.
I agree though, some of the new prices are inducing |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:24:00 -
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Mine is type 2 assault, duvolle AR nanohive and armour repairer. That cost's me just over 80k a suit, seems like you can only make your money back is in skirmish. I went 16-3 in a ambush and had only made enough money to cover me for my losses and one extra suit. If I had of gone say 16-5 I would of been at a loss even though it's still a decent score. |
Zerlathon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:28:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that this is how it was intended... If I'm going to be honest I quite like it.
It pretty much means that the common games will be filled with people using "eco-fits" and saving money for when something is at stake. This evens out the playing field in my opinion.
For people saying that this will all change when Corps can be bankrolled, I wouldn't hold my breath... I'm only saying this, as only Corps with almost endless sums of ISK and/ or have no financial "brain" will be investing billions of ISK where there is little to gain. |
Mitchman 514
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:29:00 -
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Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:30:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Have CCP priced the majority out of a decent fit?
Yes. Very much so.
I don't mind a price hike, but some items have gotten far too pricey.
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:36:00 -
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Mitchman 514 wrote:Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR.
Even Proto guns for tanks have been released with an AUR price tag, and not a very highone compared to infantry gear I might add. This will have to reignite the old debate about pay to win. In short, the AUR guns use less resources, and have equal or better stats than their regular counterparts from what I've seen, and cost about half if not a third the SP to get. On a tank, the AUR guns can mean freeing up valuable resources, and being able to fit an extra damage mod, or other modules the tank would never be able to field otherwise, making it far more durable, and deadly.
We really need to have some form of fitting tool, so e can see what is really going to happen. If it turns out (as I suspect) that an AUR fitted tank will have significant overall performance over their ISK only counterparts, things need to be changed.
I see only one solution really, and that is that there is an ISK price on AUR items as well as an AUR price on ISK items, with a set AUR/ISK conversion rate for the NPC market. The Player market can then go in and undercut that NPC market, both ways.
Then the AUR Items should be no more than "Faction" items in EVE. Items that may be awarded after the round if a player gets killed with them, and later perhaps rewarded in storyline NPC missions. |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:42:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Mitchman 514 wrote:Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR. Even Proto guns for tanks have been released with an AUR price tag, and not a very highone compared to infantry gear I might add. This will have to reignite the old debate about pay to win. In short, the AUR guns use less resources, and have equal or better stats than their regular counterparts from what I've seen, and cost about half if not a third the SP to get. On a tank, the AUR guns can mean freeing up valuable resources, and being able to fit an extra damage mod, or other modules the tank would never be able to field otherwise, making it far more durable, and deadly. We really need to have some form of fitting tool, so e can see what is really going to happen. If it turns out (as I suspect) that an AUR fitted tank will have significant overall performance over their ISK only counterparts, things need to be changed. I see only one solution really, and that is that there is an ISK price on AUR items as well as an AUR price on ISK items, with a set AUR/ISK conversion rate for the NPC market. The Player market can then go in and undercut that NPC market, both ways. Then the AUR Items should be no more than "Faction" items in EVE. Items that may be awarded after the round if a player gets killed with them, and later perhaps rewarded in storyline NPC missions. If that's the case and AUR items get used more then ISK, it might be a good idea to buy a couple of merc packs when they are half price lol. I really hope that's not how it works out though otherwise like you say it could end up in a pay to win situation. |
achiever
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:44:00 -
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no the price it right what you dont know that once eve gets hook up too dust pll from eve will trow billions in too dust i play eve i have 8 billion alone so price is good
p.s. soon too be 6 billion as soon as that hapens
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:48:00 -
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achiever wrote:no the price it right what you dont know that once eve gets hook up too dust pll from eve will trow billions in too dust i play eve i have 8 billion alone so price is good p.s. soon too be 6 billion as soon as that hapens
Not complaing, but how is that even fair? To be able to give yourself unlimited funds and not earn them in game.
I suppose that's why SP points matter
It will be interesting to seen how this plays out. |
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Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:51:00 -
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hmmmm it wont work like this (ie direct money transfers).......
Otherwise everyone on dust who always plays EVE will have ridiculous advantage,,, although i'm sure there'll be an offshore island bank account way of getting some funds through |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:55:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:achiever wrote:no the price it right what you dont know that once eve gets hook up too dust pll from eve will trow billions in too dust i play eve i have 8 billion alone so price is good p.s. soon too be 6 billion as soon as that hapens Not complaing, but how is that even fair? To be able to give yourself unlimited funds and not earn them in game. I suppose that's why SP points matter It will be interesting to seen how this plays out. Yep. Good thing is even good gear won't help the bad players Unless they spend it all on tanks etc then that is more of a problem. |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:55:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:achiever wrote:no the price it right what you dont know that once eve gets hook up too dust pll from eve will trow billions in too dust i play eve i have 8 billion alone so price is good p.s. soon too be 6 billion as soon as that hapens Not complaing, but how is that even fair? To be able to give yourself unlimited funds and not earn them in game. I suppose that's why SP points matter It will be interesting to seen how this plays out.
In the same way that you will be able to ask billions from null sec alliances to defend their planets. Or be able to make billions margin trading on the market. Or billions selling rare items.
CCP love their economy, it will be in Dust too. Love the economy it will make you rich. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:55:00 -
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Well once we are able to sell our salavage that will help with some costs, some salvage we can use so lowers a little bit of the costs
The main saving is if you can manufacture the stuff you need, i hope to be able to do it in EVE but for those which cant will you be able to do it in DUST and if not will you get backing from EVE or pay for it instead
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:59:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:hmmmm it wont work like this (ie direct money transfers).......
Otherwise everyone on dust who always plays EVE will have ridiculous advantage,,, although i'm sure there'll be an offshore island bank account way of getting some funds through
I imagine from reading posts from eve players
You set up a corp for yourself in dust. Hire your dust character from eve make contract 2 bil to win or loose throw match.
Steal money from your corp close corp, wash hands money laundered to dust. |
Degren Cthulhu
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:01:00 -
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did anyone try playing in a proto game before they removed the servers, to see if the end rewards where any better? |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:05:00 -
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Mitchman 514 wrote:Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR.
Pay to win? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:11:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Mitchman 514 wrote:Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR. Pay to win? inb4 yet another pay to win thread |
Baron Rittmeister
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:17:00 -
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that kind of seems the logic here. Make the isk items so pricey that using aur for loadouts seems a better option. It's the inevitable scam of f2p games. Sure it may be free, but they'll make your experience so inconvenient and limited that you'll cave and just give them real cash for a better experience. |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:24:00 -
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Baron Rittmeister wrote:that kind of seems the logic here. Make the isk items so pricey that using aur for loadouts seems a better option. It's the inevitable scam of f2p games. Sure it may be free, but they'll make your experience so inconvenient and limited that you'll cave and just give them real cash for a better experience. If that ever happens I'll just go play a different game. With games like borderlands 2 and watch dogs, CCP could lose a lot of it's consumer base. |
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Ryuyoshi Hanaya
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:24:00 -
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inflation has ruined good suit fittings for sure gonna be running militia or the new bpos they put on market for a very long time forget advanced suits and proto out of the question at these prices. the problem i see with later is are the eve players getting blueprints for all the dust equipment and if so what are the materials required? if its regular ore then eve industry peeps that play dust will be able to supply their own characters very easily. will dust be have its own type of industry branch as well? these issues will greatly affect the pricing and overall economy once connected will eve successfully. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:26:00 -
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You all are spoiled. An EVE rifter costs 425K. The isk you make now is like lvl1 missions in EVE. They suck. They suck for a reason. They are low so you move on to another form of income. In dust's case, player contracts which are not in yet. |
cSRT4
13
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:29:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a price hike either. Actually, there needed to be a price hike. Badly! But I do believe what we saw is a bit too much. It will be hard for experienced players (yet still average shooters) to turn any profit. It will be [nearly] impossible for inexperienced players (bad/average/good/great shooters alike) to turn a profit. I would have minded less if my ISK and SP actually stayed after a match. I actually lost SP. And, the Skill Boosters didn't work. They showed properly at the end of a match but not when I got out of a match and went into my character sheet... not all the SP I just earned was there. - I know it's a beta so I really don't care. Just putting out there, what I saw/witnessed.
I think the economist thought/thinks the players will just borrow ISK from China knowing there is no possible way in this Earth's lifespan that we will be able to repay them and when we run out of the ISK we just borrowed, we'll borrow more (knowing, still, that there's no way to afford to pay them back - unless we borrow the money from them to pay them back; yes. this is a ridiculous thought process but it's the way we roll here in the USSA).
LOVE THE NEW MAPS! AWESOME! |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:30:00 -
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This is alot like EVE in that people typically can fly stuff much bigger than they usually do, and only pull out the best stuff when the reward is likely to be worth it.
It's also the same for everyone, so I really don't see it as a problem. I imagine prices will vary a lot when dust gear is linked into the EVE economy also.
I forsee EVE players messing with pricing of popular and critical items just for kicks and profit, and having a surplus of key gear will be important, as will being frugal with your spending. I'm not sure when this link will take place, however. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:34:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:This is alot like EVE in that people typically can fly stuff much bigger than they usually do, and only pull out the best stuff when the reward is likely to be worth it.
Exactly. Just because you can fly a 3 B isk battleship doesn't mean you have to when a 50 M isk battlecruiser will do. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:36:00 -
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I think a bigger issue is the suits don't have built in bonuses like ships do in EVE. If you use a T1 suit and have dropsuit 5, so what? Those skills are useless unless you have a protosuit. If there were bonuses for suits, your T1 suit would be better than a scrubs T1 suit. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:38:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:I think a bigger issue is the suits don't have built in bonuses like ships do in EVE. If you use a T1 suit and have dropsuit 5, so what? Those skills are useless unless you have a protosuit. If there were bonuses for suits, your T1 suit would be better than a scrubs T1 suit.
Thats a good point, imma make a thread on that |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:51:00 -
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achiever wrote:no the price it right what you dont know that once eve gets hook up too dust pll from eve will trow billions in too dust i play eve i have 8 billion alone so price is good p.s. soon too be 6 billion as soon as that hapens
1ISK in Dust does not equal 1ISK in EVE from what I have heard. Or there will be a severe tax to transfer money from EVE to Dust |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:55:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:This is alot like EVE in that people typically can fly stuff much bigger than they usually do, and only pull out the best stuff when the reward is likely to be worth it.
This.
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Mitchman 514
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:19:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Mitchman 514 wrote:Hey, no worries, you can still pay for a decent fit to motivate you to train those skills - just buy using AUR. Pay to win?
My sarcasm wasn't so well disguised, I see :)
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