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Henri Thoreau Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:20:00 - [1] - Quote I haven't really had an opinion one way or the other on tanks until this last match. The setup I have cross-comms bug that allows me to hear and report the tankers movements to my squad the whole match (starting with me alerting the team at the very beginning what we will be facing so they can load out appropriately). We are running with a minimum of a prototype forge and 2x prototype swarms. Enemy has a Sagaris with Large rails and 2x small missiles. Outcome Enemy tank survives the entire match, doesn't get a crazy kill count, but is the primary reason the enemy defenders win the game comfortably. Meanwhile, the AV squad suffers a fair number of casualties in direct confrontation with the tank. Personal observation Mobility seems to be the key issue with tanks. They can get in and out too quickly, either killing the supposed counter (a coordinated AV team), or at least wrecking havoc and pulling out to return for another run in a relatively short space of time. Either fat suits need to be able to fly to keep up with their quarry, tanks need to be less maneuverable, or tanks need weak spots. The first suggestion is quite silly IMHO, the second seems inappropriate (even modern day tanks are quite fast), the third would seem ideal. The third would make the tanks vulnerable to their most obvious direct counter, a skilled forge gunner. A swarm launcher would be unlikely to get hits on the vulnerable area, if it's relatively small, thus preventing tanks from becoming easy swarmer prey. As exciting as all of these "nerf tank" threads are I hate to even create another one, and I believe someone else has already suggested the weak spot idea. I felt the need to post this particular case study given the peculiar advantage my squad had in this encounter. Fat suit armor/shield is vulnerable to head shots, why should tank armor also not be vulnerable?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:22:00 - [2] - Quote just as you have said the mobility is the issue, ewar in the next build will bring to you the awesomeness of stasis webifiers.
Henri Thoreau Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: just as you have said the mobility is the issue, ewar in the next build will bring to you the awesomeness of stasis webifiers. I must have managed to missed that in the precursor patch notes.... Hmmm. Just checked again and still don't see mention of them. Are they actually confirmed to be in, or is this just hearsay?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:32:00 - [4] - Quote They mentioned flux nades. Not seen mention of webifiers yet except in that video. I hope they put webs in with the cloaking tank. It seems a bit off otherwise.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:33:00 - [5] - Quote well, with the addition of ewar, they will absolutely be in at some point. it wouldnt make much sense to add in ewar without webifiers......its like adding in tank but no turrets, doesnt make sense. anyway, check the thread i made about CCP and tanks and watch the vid. itll answer your question.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:35:00 - [6] - Quote laserz, arty, ac turrets = more noob tears... more fuel for vehicles.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:37:00 - [7] - Quote My surya's engines are fueled by noob tears and my large railgun shoots lamp posts.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.13 04:02:00 - [8] - Quote Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then
Henri Thoreau Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2012.08.13 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote Carilito wrote: Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then Useful response, Carlito. +1 to you.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 04:23:00 - [10] - Quote -edited for shenanigans-

Henri Thoreau Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2012.08.13 04:23:00 - [11] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: well, with the addition of ewar, they will absolutely be in at some point. it wouldnt make much sense to add in ewar without webifiers......its like adding in tank but no turrets, doesnt make sense. anyway, check the thread i made about CCP and tanks and watch the vid. itll answer your question. Here's a link to the thread I assume you were talking about, so folks can find it.
Henri Thoreau Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2012.08.13 04:25:00 - [12] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Henri Thoreau wrote: Carilito wrote: Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then Useful response, Carlito. +1 to you. but actually tho, nice post carlito lol My mistake, Lurch. I actually thought you were a mature poster.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.13 05:37:00 - [13] - Quote Henri Thoreau wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Henri Thoreau wrote: Carilito wrote: Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then Useful response, Carlito. +1 to you. but actually tho, nice post carlito lol My mistake, Lurch. I actually thought you were a mature poster. Sorry your so butt hurt but the fact is the dynamic you "tested" is getting flipped on its face in a weak. Reading patch notes helps too, they are speeding up heavy forge gunners and...
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 05:41:00 - [14] - Quote Henri Thoreau wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Henri Thoreau wrote: Carilito wrote: Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then Useful response, Carlito. +1 to you. but actually tho, nice post carlito lol My mistake, Lurch. I actually thought you were a mature poster. ? what'd i do? pretty drunk so i may have posted without reading. who'd i offend and what for? i dont really troll if i can help it. Ah, found it, my bad dude. edited. there is a point here tho...the new build is around the corner, meaning its already finished. Anything we say about this build doesnt matter anymore because CCP cant change anything for the next build.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.13 05:50:00 - [15] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Henri Thoreau wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Henri Thoreau wrote: Carilito wrote: Cool report on the soon to be old build lets see the new one and do case studies then Useful response, Carlito. +1 to you. but actually tho, nice post carlito lol My mistake, Lurch. I actually thought you were a mature poster. ? what'd i do? pretty drunk so i may have posted without reading. who'd i offend and what for? i dont really troll if i can help it. Ah, found it, my bad dude. edited. there is a point here tho...the new build is around the corner, meaning its already finished. Anything we say about this build doesnt matter anymore because CCP cant change anything for the next build. He's an assault fanboy.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.13 06:00:00 - [16] - Quote If you can't kill a tank because he keeps running away, get in a good dropship and chase it. Or use a dropship to shuttle the AV guys around. I often shuttle myself from tower to platform, etc if they keep going out of range. This is yet another reason we need a gunship/fighter in the game. A hard counter to a tank's mobility is an aircraft.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 06:04:00 - [17] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: He's an assault fanboy. all i can do is try to be fair and get the points across without unintentionally offending someone. If he deserved it, thats another thing, but i dont think hes done anything particularly troll worthy in this thread. I showed him why carilito was on his ass and apologized for my rudeness. Win. being an assault fanboy tho.......ill just have to watch closely with my troll goggles on......
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.13 06:20:00 - [18] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: He's an assault fanboy. all i can do is try to be fair and get the points across without unintentionally offending someone. If he deserved it, thats another thing, but i dont think hes done anything particularly troll worthy in this thread. I showed him why carilito was on his ass and apologized for my rudeness. Win. being an assault fanboy tho.......ill just have to watch closely with my troll goggles on...... Haha. Nice.


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