Are we getting those in the full version or at lest on the bigger maps, because I saw them back when they were just showing small gameplay vids and i would love to pilot one.

Look at the icon for the vehicle fitting menu on the table in your quarters. I'd say that with that, and the fact that they -showed- one being used back in 2009, they're an absolute certainty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY&feature=player_detailpage#t=4462s
There's a picture of a Caldari one from that presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY&feature=player_detailpage#t=4919s
And here's a clip of a Gallente one being called in and flown. Albeit briefly. Obviously he only had Piloting lvl I.

omg more cool stuff i want it never seen that vid before

also is this stuff still planned?

What will be the counter for these?

Swarm Launchers are slow to lock, they often collide into structure and can be avoided...and thats by slow moving Dropships.
It would be one hell of a Sniper shot to take out a Jet pilot.

Even the Missile Installations have a slow firing time.

I dont mind being nuked by Mach 2...long as l have something to fight back with.

Release of these is going to have to coincide with either a call-down SAM installation, or some kind of Stinger equivalent weapon designed to fly faster and farther than swarms.

EDIT: On a somewhat unrelated note, what about controls? I made a thread in the feedback section expressing my hope for more "professional" controls rather than something Starhawk style (and I love Starhawk btw), but I still want other opinions.

You'll notice that we have 3 of the 5 vehicle classes shown in the drop-down menu. That would say that both the jet-bike and fighter crowds are going to get what they're looking for. You'll also notice that we have most of what was shown in this demo, and some of the future features they've confirmed were already functional back then.

This video also serves as a good rebuttal to all those people saying that the visuals aren't going to improve before launch. This is a good example of how rough they looked before now.

this game looked really good as far as gameplay is concerned it looks like ours so if this was in 2009 what was the hold up legal issues? but these make me sad we dont try this stuff out soooo many different things back in 2009 they didnt show this during the 2012 one

The one thing I'm still curious about is how there isn't any gunship category or anything in that drop-down. It has me wondering if fighter aircraft are going to fill only that role, or be more similar to the light aircraft in Planetside which fill both the fighter and gunship role. I'd personally prefer to see two seperate vehicles, as those are vastly different roles, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Thoughts?

if they add jet fighters they are going to need to ugrade the speed and missile smartitude on swarm launchers. maybe make a lower damage variant that is specially designed to take out jets.

MTACs and jets? KZ3/BF3 sydrome anyone?

I fail to see how having such vehicle classes is automatically a bad thing.

Well look at the reasons that KZ3 failed compared to KZ2. NUFF SAID.

I haven't played any of the Killzone games, so that doesn't really help me. As well, you have to keep in mind that adding new elements to an established franchise can always be dangerous, as it has the potential to upset the gameplay you're known for, and thereby alienate some of your players. Dust isn't even finished yet, and we still have quite a bit of testing left to do.

There's also the factor that based on what prices are being set to right now for the vehicles we currently have, I would imagine both of these assets would be prohibitively expensive, so you're very unlikely to see entire maps full of MTACs, or suicide jets.

AUR can spam as many tanks and MTACS as they need.

Cliche ruins video game. I am surprised that CoD hasn't added jets and MTACs yet. Oh wait black ops 2.

If you want to sit in MTACs all day go back to KZ3.

I jest

I don't know I just thought this game would be a little bit more about skill and not another KZ3/BF3 clone. In KZ3 you would get blown up by an MTAC coming out of the spawn every time. It was sad and I fear the worst for dust. I have high hopes though.

Well look at the reasons that KZ3 failed compared to KZ2. NUFF SAID.

lol, yeah I remember that video and I always was thinking, why did he crash. lol

I'm willing to bet 20m isk it was a light pole.

Given the sheer amount of cover all of our maps have, I'm not too worried about fighters overpowering anything infantry. They will also be absolutely useless for taking objectives, so there is that too. You can't exactly just "hop out" of one.

I would prefer Pilot Suits as a requirement for all cramped vehicles, honestly, so Fighters, HAVs and Dropships. This would also help cut down on randomers stealing vehicles from the original pilots.