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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:53:00 -
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Like us dusters can hold our own territory via our own corp without having a Eve corp backing us? |
zerkin gerend
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:54:00 -
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i dont know but you will need eve players if you want to win |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:55:00 -
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If sovereignty is every dependent on Dust mercs, then it will be the other way around. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:58:00 -
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CCP used the analogy that if an asteroid were to kill all the Dust players or all the EVE players, the other game would keep on working. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:01:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:CCP used the analogy that if an asteroid were to kill all the Dust players or all the EVE players, the other game would keep on working.
Awesome.
<-- From a clan that is branching into Dust but doesn't play Eve online. |
Arpentis
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:06:00 -
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Yes CCP said that Dust corps can live without the help of eve corps and be able to attack planets themselves and take control of them. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:22:00 -
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DUST and EVE corps are one and the same. A corporation can have players from either game OR both.
If some of us get organised enough, we'll be able to run things back the reverse way to how everyone's thinking of the game, and hire EVE fleet assets to support our ground battle. |
Formally Invited
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:28:00 -
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You're never going to take "sov" as defined in EVE in a Dust corp. It's just not in the scope of the game. Sovereignty in EVE denotes rule over an entire system. In Dust you're fighting over districts on a planet's surface. There will be benefits for each side, EVE and Dust, but it's not like the EVE players are gonna start going "Oh ****, the mercs are about to SBU 1DH! Better fleet up and take care of it!" |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:31:00 -
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Formally Invited wrote:You're never going to take "sov" as defined in EVE in a Dust corp. It's just not in the scope of the game. Sovereignty in EVE denotes rule over an entire system. In Dust you're fighting over districts on a planet's surface. There will be benefits for each side, EVE and Dust, but it's not like the EVE players are gonna start going "Oh ****, the mercs are about to SBU 1DH! Better fleet up and take care of it!"
We have skyfire batteries don't we? 
Boom. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2012.07.28 05:44:00 -
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Personally, I think the most potent corps and alliances will be those with a fleet arm and ground arm - working together. |
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Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.07.28 05:49:00 -
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what quite a lot of people dont understand (yet)
you will actually be able to hire eve mercs to do some orbital bombardment for you :)
not sure if there will be actual game mechanics for it, but there are LOTS of eve players desperately wanting to do some merc work. i am pretty sure they will be more than happy to bring their battleship fleets in position if you want to take that special planet with an awesome ressource distribution for yourself. |
BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
247
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Posted - 2012.07.28 05:52:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:Like us dusters can hold our own territory via our own corp without having a Eve corp backing us?
no no no never
sorry ALL Your rocky ilands belong to EVE ! |
Raynor Ragna
266
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Posted - 2012.07.28 07:35:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:DUST and EVE corps are one and the same. A corporation can have players from either game OR both.
If some of us get organised enough, we'll be able to run things back the reverse way to how everyone's thinking of the game, and hire EVE fleet assets to support our ground battle.
You do realize that if you want to hire a single battleship for orbital bombardment, you'd be asking the eve player to risk a ship worth 100-200mil isk or more. How many games do you need to play before you can afford to reimburse that. And thats if you can actually get a single ship to the planet. It's doubtful that Dust corps will be able to hire Eve help. |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.28 07:38:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:DUST and EVE corps are one and the same. A corporation can have players from either game OR both.
If some of us get organised enough, we'll be able to run things back the reverse way to how everyone's thinking of the game, and hire EVE fleet assets to support our ground battle. You do realize that if you want to hire a single battleship for orbital bombardment, you'd be asking the eve player to risk a ship worth 100-200mil isk or more. How many games do you need to play before you can afford to reimburse that. And thats if you can actually get a single ship to the planet. It's doubtful that Dust corps will be able to hire Eve help.
Well seeing as you will be able to bombard planets in ships as small as a destroyer I don't think that will be a problem. |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.07.28 07:39:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:Formally Invited wrote:You're never going to take "sov" as defined in EVE in a Dust corp. It's just not in the scope of the game. Sovereignty in EVE denotes rule over an entire system. In Dust you're fighting over districts on a planet's surface. There will be benefits for each side, EVE and Dust, but it's not like the EVE players are gonna start going "Oh ****, the mercs are about to SBU 1DH! Better fleet up and take care of it!" We have skyfire batteries don't we? Boom.
And Eve has systems that are 30AU to 300AU wide. Skyfire batteries probably wont fire very far. Probably can't hit a POS. Sov would be impossible to get in dust. |
John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.07.28 07:47:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:We have skyfire batteries don't we? Boom.
Systems are big (lots of empty space), some are really big (lots and lots of empty space.) Shooting a ship in orbit would suppose that said ship is next to the planet and you are manning the gun.
Arcushek Dion wrote:
Well seeing as you will be able to bombard planets in ships as small as a destroyer I don't think that will be a problem.
Researched a Thrasher BPO a while ago. It could actually get me to mine, just to build them, just to throw them away shooting fish in the barrel. . . |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.28 08:56:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:DUST and EVE corps are one and the same. A corporation can have players from either game OR both.
If some of us get organised enough, we'll be able to run things back the reverse way to how everyone's thinking of the game, and hire EVE fleet assets to support our ground battle. You do realize that if you want to hire a single battleship for orbital bombardment, you'd be asking the eve player to risk a ship worth 100-200mil isk or more. How many games do you need to play before you can afford to reimburse that. And thats if you can actually get a single ship to the planet. It's doubtful that Dust corps will be able to hire Eve help.
100,000 ISK per match in the current build is the absoute minimum profit margin I'm aiming for.
With a corp of 20 people making minimum expected profit, that means we can assume 100 battles each to be able to pay for a bombardment.
So spend 100 battles in HighSec, then call in a friendly orbital strike.
If you're getting more profitable contracts, you'll be looking at higher incomes, and thus, shorter waits between being able to afford orbital support.
And that's assuming you aren't taking some contracts where orbital support is part of the pay packet. |
Milk Supreme
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
127
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:06:00 -
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Things are subject to change.
The current sovereignty system is boring at best, grinding structures at certain timer intervals isn't as dynamic as the old POS system to say the least.
Depending on how many people update DUST, there could quite possibly be a new sov system where the planets of a solar system must be at least 51% control of the contesting alliance before it can be taken.
Or even the attack on TCUs or IHUBs to skew timers or otherwise.
This all remains to be seen and depending on how large the DUST community will become.
Cooperation is a given, later on, those who don't cooperate in DUST will find themselves in the short end of the stick compared to the DUST corps who are successful and earn a lot of respect due to their cohesion.
Keep in mind earning 100k isk a round is only for the pubbie battles.
The player contracts will obviously reward more, possibly upwards of 10million isk to be split between the members of that side.
Also it's been announced that a new type of Destroyer will be used specifically for orbital bombardments as to make it as cheap as possible (probably around 3-5M isk fully fit, chump change).
There is no way DUST mercs would be able to pay someone to risk a dreadnought just to bombard a battle, when there is a very high chance of being tackled and killed.
That being said, it doesn't rule out the possibility of larger ships being able to bombard the battlefield, with varying amounts of effect.
Going back on topic, being independent can have it's merits, as will aligning yourself with powerblocs.
What WILL be in common is those who organise themselves into larger alliances (upwards of 2000 members) will definitely do better than those who run around in small clans of around 50. |
Formally Invited
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:51:00 -
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I also know that some of the larger corporations in EVE already have plans to create Dust corporations themselves. Alliances such as TEST, Goonswarm, -A-, SOLAR, etc will have their own branch in Dust which they will no doubt supply out of the alliance budget, meaning the mercs themselves will have to pay no such fee.
Also, if the effect was significantly devastating enough, I'd totally risk my Moros bombarding a planet. Fully fit the thing is only like 2B, especially if the fight is going on in a system under control of my alliance and not likely to be particularly dangerous. |
Bresker Veyne
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:01:00 -
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Why would any EVE corporation want to invest in anything to do with Planetary Interaction if it doesn't give any profit? |
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Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:23:00 -
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As to Orbital Strikes: To me it looks like its going to be an "agreement of both ends" in order to provide a strike. Such as... a DUST user might have to place a marker before an EVE user can barrage an area. Similar to how a "Nuclear Strike" happens in Starcraft.
Edit: My inference is the video they had us watch when you got your keys from PS Home. The ground troops had set up some kind of beacon and were requesting a strike, but the EVE character refused to drop the strike (then got killed by a DUST merc inside the ship haha) |
Nicolo daVicenza
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:40:00 -
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Descriptions of the corp system in earlier fanfests seem to state that there is no difference between Eve and Dust members when it comes to corp membership. This implies that at some point DUST will introduce corp management skills or perhaps Dust players will simply be able to set up corporations of unlimited size with no SP involved. Starting an alliance costs one billion ISK, which seems unfeasible in DUST. Then again DUST will probably have far less administrative overhead then EVE's myriad corp/pos management system so it's likely thousands of players will be able to pile into one corporation with little complication.
Nullsec alliances will definitely set up in-house DUST corps (or recruit DUST corps into the alliance) rather then put DUST players into nullsec corporations, if only for being able to accurately distinguish corp participation levels. Assuming, if DUST plays into 0.0 sovereignty in any way at all in the future.
I've brought it up to the CSM (representatives elected by the playerbase to bring issues to CCP) that the top issue in discussing the EVE/DUST link has to be the issue of Planetary Interaction and what changes if any are going to happen to the mechanics involved, as it is going to be the only incentive for EVE/DUST players to actually interact with each other.
CSM 7 is fairly useless though seeing as it's been 2-3 months since their meeting and they haven't even made a writeup about what was discussed. If they actually followed through on asking about the DUST link I'll let you know. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.30 09:02:00 -
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Nicolo daVicenza wrote:Descriptions of the corp system in earlier fanfests seem to state that there is no difference between Eve and Dust members when it comes to corp membership. This implies that at some point DUST will introduce corp management skills or perhaps Dust players will simply be able to set up corporations of unlimited size with no SP involved. Starting an alliance costs one billion ISK, which seems unfeasible in DUST. Then again DUST will probably have far less administrative overhead then EVE's myriad corp/pos management system so it's likely thousands of players will be able to pile into one corporation with little complication.
I think this will probably be, in part, addressed by the combination of massively increased prices, rebalancing of prices, and increased ISK earnings on everything that's coming in the next build. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.07.30 12:47:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:Like us dusters can hold our own territory via our own corp without having a Eve corp backing us?
Since the corps in Dust will be identical to the ones in Eve (CCP has said that members of both games can join the same corps, so logically they have to have the same functionality) I would say yes. However it will most likely be very difficult to do since you will have no space-born support. Owning a planet is only one way to claim sovereignty over an area. |
Stabber McShank
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.07.30 14:25:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:
. Owning a planet is only one way to claim sovereignty over an area.
Actually, owning a planet has no bearing on the sovereignty for the system itself. Sovereignty grants ownership of planets, not the other way around.
Now Dust might change that in some ways, but it is going to be near impossible to take control of entire systems without some sort of space navy to back you up. Short of CCP *MAGIC* I don't even know how a Dust Merc unit will even arrive at a deep null system without someone flying them there. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.30 14:43:00 -
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Stabber McShank wrote:Short of CCP *MAGIC* I don't even know how a Dust Merc unit will even arrive at a deep null system without someone flying them there.
Warbarge Cyno Magic will be a very specific species of CCP Magic relating specifically to the phenomenon whereby DUST merc travel between planets without any apparent need to TRAVEL. |
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