DUST Search - Today reminded me we need grouping ASAP

Thor Thunder Fist wrote:

Laheon wrote:

Fatmanpro wrote:

Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork [/b][/i]

Teamwork is OP. Everyone knows that. Have fun balancing the game so that teamwork doesn't "unbalance" the game.

"grouping" - there won't be any problems that can't be fixed by in-game testing. Testing it would take five minutes each time they tested it. All it would need is two groups of 12 (easily manageable) and seeing if both teams get in the game fine.

So no, they don't need to test grouping in the beta.

can't believe Imma agree with fatmanpro..... but yes we need grouping not to test grouping to test the rest in a more realistic in-game environment if we nerf things and boost things without grouping the things that got nerfed will most likely be under powered when grouping comes along due to the ability to coord better and the things that got boosting will most likely to over powered. lest say you nerf the overpowered stag to have less HP when there is no grouping so that 1 person can kill it when there are groups no one will use the stag cause they would go down in 1 volly from an AV team before they knew what happened.

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Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote Hurry up already CCP To those that say "beta derp derp" I say "BF3"
S4dDooM Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:48:00 - [2] - Quote when you can make all able to join only group for now? ccp please reply asap
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:07:00 - [3] - Quote your really gonna use BF3 as an example of a beta?
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:19:00 - [4] - Quote We do need the corp features. But seriously, if you don't understand what a Beta is, you shouldn't be here. They'll get to it when they are ready.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:23:00 - [5] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: We do need the corp features. But seriously, if you don't understand what a Beta is, you shouldn't be here. They'll get to it when they are ready. ^^derp derp beta Its where they can test stuff Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: your really gonna use BF3 as an example of a beta? Example of grouping actually Just what I heard from friends about it I don't play COD or BF FYI
Victor Euel Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:46:00 - [7] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Raynor Ragna wrote: We do need the corp features. But seriously, if you don't understand what a Beta is, you shouldn't be here. They'll get to it when they are ready. ^^derp derp beta Its where they can test stuff Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork ^ Derp derp. CCP should have exactly what I want right now. It doesn't matter if they're working on other things, I'M going to get their free game so THEY should do what I say. You've got squads, you can make them and people can join. Squad leaders can set waypoints, targets, and objectives. You've got enough grouping for now, let the other things get made too.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:03:00 - [8] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork [/b][/i] Teamwork is OP. Everyone knows that. Have fun balancing the game so that teamwork doesn't "unbalance" the game. "grouping" - there won't be any problems that can't be fixed by in-game testing. Testing it would take five minutes each time they tested it. All it would need is two groups of 12 (easily manageable) and seeing if both teams get in the game fine. So no, they don't need to test grouping in the beta.
Thor Thunder Fist Better Hide R Die 79	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote Laheon wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork [/b][/i] Teamwork is OP. Everyone knows that. Have fun balancing the game so that teamwork doesn't "unbalance" the game. "grouping" - there won't be any problems that can't be fixed by in-game testing. Testing it would take five minutes each time they tested it. All it would need is two groups of 12 (easily manageable) and seeing if both teams get in the game fine. So no, they don't need to test grouping in the beta. can't believe Imma agree with fatmanpro..... but yes we need grouping not to test grouping to test the rest in a more realistic in-game environment if we nerf things and boost things without grouping the things that got nerfed will most likely be under powered when grouping comes along due to the ability to coord better and the things that got boosting will most likely to over powered. lest say you nerf the overpowered stag to have less HP when there is no grouping so that 1 person can kill it when there are groups no one will use the stag cause they would go down in 1 volly from an AV team before they knew what happened.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:34:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Thunder Fist wrote: Laheon wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork [/b][/i] Teamwork is OP. Everyone knows that. Have fun balancing the game so that teamwork doesn't "unbalance" the game. "grouping" - there won't be any problems that can't be fixed by in-game testing. Testing it would take five minutes each time they tested it. All it would need is two groups of 12 (easily manageable) and seeing if both teams get in the game fine. So no, they don't need to test grouping in the beta. can't believe Imma agree with fatmanpro..... but yes we need grouping not to test grouping to test the rest in a more realistic in-game environment if we nerf things and boost things without grouping the things that got nerfed will most likely be under powered when grouping comes along due to the ability to coord better and the things that got boosting will most likely to over powered. lest say you nerf the overpowered stag to have less HP when there is no grouping so that 1 person can kill it when there are groups no one will use the stag cause they would go down in 1 volly from an AV team before they knew what happened. This will be true at some point, but right now we don't even have all of the basic gear. So it's a bit tough to get into weapon and gear balancing too deeply anyway. Folks just need to chill

EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.19 19:35:00 - [11] - Quote orbital strike is gonna be better than grouping
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.19 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Thunder Fist wrote: can't believe Imma agree with fatmanpro..... but yes we need grouping not to test grouping to test the rest in a more realistic in-game environment if we nerf things and boost things without grouping the things that got nerfed will most likely be under powered when grouping comes along due to the ability to coord better and the things that got boosting will most likely to over powered. lest say you nerf the overpowered stag to have less HP when there is no grouping so that 1 person can kill it when there are groups no one will use the stag cause they would go down in 1 volly from an AV team before they knew what happened. Gave you a +1 for that first sentence. As stated above, not all the features are in yet. It's rumoured that jets will come in, there are laser rifles to come, autocannons, installations, etc. It would be slightly idiotic to balance the gameplay around organised play now, without those balance-changing features.
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.07.20 04:30:00 - [13] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: your really gonna use BF3 as an example of a beta? Example of grouping actually Just what I heard from friends about it I don't play COD or BF FYI So then how can you use them as an example, except for as an example of how you don't really know what you are talking about? (Not flaming you - I am curious about the logic behind it)
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.07.20 04:38:00 - [14] - Quote I just want to make groups with people that actually have a mic. im getting sick of talking with myself.Tired of telling a dummy not to run with a assault rifle head on to a sagaris. and most important: IM SICK OF PEOPLE TAKING MY DROPSHIP FOR A JOYRIDE. Then i just see 5 secs later how it hits the ground after the guy who took it thought it would be a good idea to use it as a "squish ship" while a surya is around.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.07.20 05:17:00 - [15] - Quote grouping needs to be put in because only then u can really test proper balance when u have 2 teams playing the game the way its suppose to be played with high lvl of teamwork involved tbh this build has gotten rather stale and even i cant keep grinding with how boring the game is with the vehicle fest Game is suppose to release in 2012, CCP needs to step up the beta process if they plan to meet the deadline. PS: plz fix hit detection already, still my #1 gripe
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.20 05:18:00 - [16] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Hurry up already CCP To those that say "beta derp derp" I say "BF3" Add me to your group up
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.20 07:50:00 - [17] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Raynor Ragna wrote: We do need the corp features. But seriously, if you don't understand what a Beta is, you shouldn't be here. They'll get to it when they are ready. ^^derp derp beta Its where they can test stuff Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork If they don't have a feature built yet, they can't put it in. THUS we don't have grouping. You really don't understand how any development process works, do you?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.07.20 12:15:00 - [18] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: Raynor Ragna wrote: We do need the corp features. But seriously, if you don't understand what a Beta is, you shouldn't be here. They'll get to it when they are ready. ^^derp derp beta Its where they can test stuff Like grouping and balance of the game when people use teamwork If they don't have a feature built yet, they can't put it in. THUS we don't have grouping. You really don't understand how any development process works, do you? grpiing is a make or break for the game if they leave it too late and it ends up like lolBF3 where its limited to squad size only and u still get put on seperate teams then this game will fail. The party system needs just as much love as the other parts of the game.
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.07.20 12:26:00 - [19] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: if they leave it too late Too late for what? We've been told it will be in game at launch. And we don't even know when launch is. I agree, grouping is a necessary component of the game. CCP agrees, they think grouping is a necessary and important component. In fact, they already have developed one of the deepest "grouping" mechanics in any game I know of. So as beta invitees, I suggest we make our wishes known (which has definitely happened) and then let the professional game developers figure out what schedule best fits the needs of th development cycle.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.07.20 12:43:00 - [20] - Quote Drake Lyons wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: if they leave it too late Too late for what? We've been told it will be in game at launch. And we don't even know when launch is. I agree, grouping is a necessary component of the game. CCP agrees, they think grouping is a necessary and important component. In fact, they already have developed one of the deepest "grouping" mechanics in any game I know of. So as beta invitees, I suggest we make our wishes known (which has definitely happened) and then let the professional game developers figure out what schedule best fits the needs of th development cycle. too late in the beta process to be able to make any changes or fixes just because they developed grouping for EVE dont automatically means they will make a good system for DUST ** comms still need work, squad leaders need a private channel to b able to switch to on the fly to coordinate with other leaders all these things are important, ** progressing at snail pace here, we get a new build and it fixes a few problems and a few more pop up

Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:16:00 - [21] - Quote Oh golly gee, another thread where fatmanpro doesn't understand how this whole thing works, and things that he doesn't understand scare him.
S4dDooM Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:20:00 - [22] - Quote the ccp will surprise us. Take a coffee, get laid, and have fun playing. when things will be made to perfection we will breatless
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:57:00 - [23] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: too late in the beta process to be able to make any changes or fixes Sure. But again, we have no idea where we are in the beta process. We don't know if CCP is planning the launch for next week, next month, or if they are looking until Dec 31st at this point. So it's not for us to say when it might or might not be too soon, but rather for CCP to work suggestions into the development schedule as they see fit. And again, this is more than a player suggestions - CCP has stated numerous times that group play will be a central aspect of the game. Mavado V Noriega wrote: just because they developed grouping for EVE dont automatically means they will make a good system for DUST ** comms still need work, squad leaders need a private channel to b able to switch to on the fly to coordinate with other leaders all these things are important, ** progressing at snail pace here, we get a new build and it fixes a few problems and a few more pop up I agree. There are some issues, all of which have been brought up on here numerous times, on IRC, etc. and have been addressed as "being worked on" by CCP. And once more, what we have to play is not the latest and greatest build from CCP. For all we know, there are several development versions running around their office - one with full shader and texture integration, one with better communications and grouping, one featuring the rest of the vehicles and weapons - each being tested internally and independently of each other. This is, in my opinion, where the history comes in. This may be CCPs first FPS, but it isn't their first game. More specifically, it isn't their first long-term MMO project. They know how to do things. They know grouping needs to happen; it'll happen. And it'll happen on their schedule.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.07.20 14:50:00 - [24] - Quote S4dDooM wrote: the ccp will surprise us. Take a coffee, get laid, and have fun playing. when things will be made to perfection we will breatless Yes because ccp have never made any mistakes in EVE have they ?
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:35:00 - [25] - Quote CCP will implement grouping when they feel its time to test grouping. They dont need to implement grouping because you are getting your ass kicked in matches.


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