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Crit Zero Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote We need something to make us less vulnerable. We already have to stop moving and crouch down to stop scope sway to even hope to hit our target. Scout armor can barely take any damage. and switching to a secondary weapon takes far to long and is way to weak to even consider using to win a fire fight. You can even just cut the no scope damage in half.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:09:00 - [2] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: We need something to make us less vulnerable. We already have to stop moving and crouch down to stop scope sway to even hope to hit our target. Scout armor can barely take any damage. and switching to a secondary weapon takes far to long and is way to weak to even consider using to win a fire fight. You can even just cut the no scope damage in half. You have a slot for a sidearm, use it. Sincerely, A sniper. Also, have you ever tried firing an assault rifle while moving? I'm going to assume you haven't, it's not exactly easy to stay accurate while moving slowly, never mind running. Trying to do so with a sniper rifle would be all but impossible. As it stands, the snipers handle extremely well, if you actually use them properly. You can also "no-scope" by quickly slapping the aim, firing, and releasing aim, while close to your target. It's not ideal, but it's there, if you're unwilling to equip a sidearm. SMGs are quite nice (I particularly am loving the one from the merc pack; the extra 20 rounds per magazine make all the difference). EDIT: By the way, I meant firing an assault rifle in real life. <<-- active duty military
Crit Zero Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:25:00 - [3] - Quote Realism in a sci fi game? seriously man dont be tthat guy. no one likes that guy.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:26:00 - [4] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: Realism in a sci fi game? seriously man dont be tthat guy. no one likes that guy. Whinging and crying for buffs because you're using something wrong? Seriously mate, don't be that guy, no one likes that guy (except CoD nubs and TR players from PlanetSide).
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: Realism in a sci fi game? seriously man dont be tthat guy. no one likes that guy. Douche
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: Realism in a sci fi game? seriously man dont be tthat guy. no one likes that guy. Dude its just logical, if you're worried about CQC as a sniper use a side arm, the SMG is a DEADLY as F**k. Being able to no scope with a sniper rifle is the dumbest mechanic in the FPS genre. Since there is no accuracy while no scoping then its just luck if you hit the target, quick scoping on the other hand does take some skill, expect in CoD where the game aims for you.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:43:00 - [7] - Quote He's right though, realism isn't a reason to do much of anything. It's not meant to be realistic, it's meant to be fun. Snipers are really powerful at range, so for the sake of balance they give up power at close range. Give a little, get a little. No need for no-scoping as sniper rifles should not be powerful at close range for the same reason swarm launchers shouldn't be able to one-shot infantry.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:54:00 - [8] - Quote You already have that ability. Thread closed.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:03:00 - [9] - Quote Sidearm. Next topic.
Anatoly Gasputin Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote Get SMG and win at life.

zerkin gerend Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:36:00 - [11] - Quote get a sidearm go back to cod
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:40:00 - [12] - Quote Drop uplink, alternate heavy dropsuit w/ sniper rifle. Oh, and that was probably me with my Mass Driver sneaking up behind you & killing you earlier. You snipers think you're so sneaky.
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 422	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:49:00 - [13] - Quote Realism or no, the issue here is this: making the sniper rifle viable for short range combat is a bad idea. It is a large, clunky piece of hardware, and the shear damage per shot would make it the new weapon of choice if you could always land a shot by painting a crosshair dot on your screen. The point of sniping is to pick off foes at a distance to cover your squad or defend your position. If you let them get close to you, you're boned for a reason. Plus, SMGs are known as Personal Defense Weapons in many games for a reason: low accuracy, high ROF, high clip size, the device is meant to spray at someone who got to close, or to cover a corner for suppression's sake. If you can't swap to it fast enough, might I suggest being more aware?
TEXKO G I A N T 86	Posted - 2012.07.16 02:41:00 - [14] - Quote we don't want quick scoping no scope kids that's why there's cod go play that instead.
EVICER 63	Posted - 2012.07.16 02:42:00 - [15] - Quote NO....I hate people who think they can snipe and ***** about the realistic ways they compensate for that in games.Theres scope sway for half a second.At least in this game you dont have to hold your breath dude please just stop ok. Equip an smg and run with that until you get into position.....damn what a newb.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.16 03:06:00 - [16] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: You can also "no-scope" by quickly slapping the aim, firing, and releasing aim, while close to your target. That's called "quick-scoping" - it's different. And in many games, it's an auto-aim exploit.
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.16 03:06:00 - [17] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: We need something to make us less vulnerable. We already have to stop moving and crouch down to stop scope sway to even hope to hit our target. Scout armor can barely take any damage. and switching to a secondary weapon takes far to long and is way to weak to even consider using to win a fire fight. You can even just cut the no scope damage in half. NO GET BACK TO COD *** !!! USE A SMG THAT WHAT I USE NOOB AND DONT STAND OUT IN THE OPEN !!!
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.16 03:08:00 - [18] - Quote EVICER wrote: NO....I hate people who think they can snipe and *** about the realistic ways they compensate for that in games.Theres scope sway for half a second.At least in this game you dont have to hold your breath dude please just stop ok. Equip an smg and run with that until you get into position.....damn what a newb. if you wont read my read his this is the same ** every good sniper uses
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.16 06:59:00 - [19] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: You can also "no-scope" by quickly slapping the aim, firing, and releasing aim, while close to your target. That's called "quick-scoping" - it's different. And in many games, it's an auto-aim exploit. In many games, sniper rifles have autoaim disabled. I certainly haven't noticed any autoaim on Dust with a sniper rifle (and it's a non-issue since I'll be using a mouse in the next build). It's pretty excessive with assault rifles, though.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.16 07:13:00 - [20] - Quote I dont know anyone able to realistically swing a gun larger than themselves to acrurately hip fire unless it was a shotgun. Secondarly Quick Scoping is BY far the most lamest abuse of auto aim EVER.

Nexus Cavor KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 88	Posted - 2012.07.16 07:41:00 - [21] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: EVICER wrote: NO....I hate people who think they can snipe and *** about the realistic ways they compensate for that in games.Theres scope sway for half a second.At least in this game you dont have to hold your breath dude please just stop ok. Equip an smg and run with that until you get into position.....damn what a newb. if you wont read my read his this is the same ** every good sniper uses Yeah, I barely survived one encounter with you. Lucky shot with a Forge Gun saved me.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.16 07:46:00 - [22] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: You can also "no-scope" by quickly slapping the aim, firing, and releasing aim, while close to your target. That's called "quick-scoping" - it's different. And in many games, it's an auto-aim exploit. In many games, sniper rifles have autoaim disabled. I certainly haven't noticed any autoaim on Dust with a sniper rifle (and it's a non-issue since I'll be using a mouse in the next build). It's pretty excessive with assault rifles, though. I never said it was an exploit in DUST, or that there weren't also a lot of games where it's not an exploit. Just that it's a common and specifically-named tactic because it's exploitable in a lot of games.
Minmatar Slave 74136 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2012.07.16 08:59:00 - [23] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Seriously mate, don't be that guy, no one likes that guy (except CoD nubs and TR players from PlanetSide). Vanu forever.
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.07.16 09:29:00 - [24] - Quote COD made it to the forums? who divided by Zero again!?
Hawk Von Draum Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2012.07.16 10:22:00 - [25] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: We need something to make us less vulnerable. We already have to stop moving and crouch down to stop scope sway to even hope to hit our target. Scout armor can barely take any damage. and switching to a secondary weapon takes far to long and is way to weak to even consider using to win a fire fight. You can even just cut the no scope damage in half. you can fire a sniper without scoping! try testing in game before bitching on the forums next time
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.16 19:20:00 - [26] - Quote Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Seriously mate, don't be that guy, no one likes that guy (except CoD nubs and TR players from PlanetSide). Vanu forever. ^^
Asher Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote ATTENTION EVERYONE Aim Assist != Auto Aim Just thought I would clear that up for you, buddies.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:18:00 - [28] - Quote Asher Night wrote: ATTENTION EVERYONE Aim Assist != Auto Aim Just thought I would clear that up for you, buddies. Failsauce by any other name. Though admittedly, it is a help to newbies and people that suck even worse than I do with a controller. To anyone even remotely capable of using a controller, it's more hindrance than help.
Zev Caldari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:40:00 - [29] - Quote Crit Zero wrote: We need something to make us less vulnerable. We already have to stop moving and crouch down to stop scope sway to even hope to hit our target. Scout armor can barely take any damage. and switching to a secondary weapon takes far to long and is way to weak to even consider using to win a fire fight. You can even just cut the no scope damage in half. What are you smoking? You can no-scope, it's not an instant kill and it shouldn't be. This isn't CoD. I no-scope fools all the time (right before I die usually, unless I get lucky or they stand still). Also, the SMG is a great sidearm, as has already been stated multiple times in this thread.
Groo Grux Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:46:00 - [30] - Quote Dust sniper here! I see minimal problems with the sniper rifles mechanically, in the game. I got used to the controls and the kills came flowing in more and more every match. I do wish there would be a better target box for the scope in sniper rifles though. Call it auto aim or not, but I loath when I miss a still target because my crosshairs were a SINGLE PIXLE from the target. Granted I can see the argument: "u miss the target u miss, realism!" I would request that the sniper controls were a little smoother when standing still, just so we can smooth the difference between hit and miss. ALSO! Might be the wrong thread, and I haven't read too much into what I'm going to say but I'd like to see a sniper have a broader job on the battlefield than quick kills at a distance. Most snipers rock the scout drop-suit and with besides the individual bonus of being faster/ smaller radar signature/ distance weapon wouldn't it be nice to get a few team influenced bonuses?? PS. In the controls menu, Have a Look sensitivity AND crosshair sensitivity!



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