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Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:53:00 -
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I rarely get frustrated with games, but today I shutdown dust 514. prior to this upgrade the game was fun and pretty well balanced with infantry vs vehicle. However, I was completely shut down in a game because we had 4 militia tank camping our spawn point. Even tho I was directly hitting with the militia swarm launcher. I noticed I barely even DENTED the shields. We had at least 3 others doing the same as me as well.
I understand that this was nerfed because of it being over used on infantry, but It shouldn't be nerf so badly that 6 direct hits didn't even drop it shields |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:13:00 -
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Are you sure they were Militia?
That sounds like what happens to real tanks, not the Militia versions.
Unless they were using Prototype shield mods on it or something? In which case, that's actually kind of awesome. |
Zen Nar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:46:00 -
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Last night I was in a match and there were 2 non militia tanks on the attacking side that were owning the battlefield. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:51:00 -
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If I recall, swarm launcher damage was untouched, just the splash radius was nerfed.
Also, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes it's a disgustingly easy win or a head-through-the-TV terrible loss. That's war for ya. |
Zev Caldari
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:05:00 -
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Sorry to break it to you but vehicles vs. infantry has always been unbalanced in every battlefield ever.
Why do you think tanks were invented?
1 infantry v 1 tank isn't the problem (though a skilled infantry can take out an unskilled/unaware/poorly fitted tank, which is nice) and the game shouldn't be balanced around that (unless you're a heavy, using heavy weapons - that's a separate issue). What you needed in that situation was teamwork + dropships it sounds like. |
Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:06:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:If I recall, swarm launcher damage was untouched, just the splash radius was nerfed.
Also, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes it's a disgustingly easy win or a head-through-the-TV terrible loss. That's war for ya.
1 of them might of been prototype, but pretty sure the others were just militia..
they increase the spread of them as well. I could stand back quite a way and blind fire and still hit them, but now you really need to rely on lock on for direct hits.
But the whole point of a shock trooper is to take out tanks...Militia should still be able to take out prototypes with skill. 6 shots and little to no damage on the shield is a bit over the top.
It will cause issues for new players if it doesn't get re-balanced to give militia gear people a hairs chance of taking out a tank even if they are co-oping the attack on it.
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Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:10:00 -
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Zev Caldari wrote:Sorry to break it to you but vehicles vs. infantry has always been unbalanced in every battlefield ever.
Why do you think tanks were invented?
1 infantry v 1 tank isn't the problem (though a skilled infantry can take out an unskilled/unaware/poorly fitted tank, which is nice) and the game shouldn't be balanced around that (unless you're a heavy, using heavy weapons - that's a separate issue). What you needed in that situation was teamwork + dropships it sounds like.
Zev i'm not talking about 1 vs 1 we had 4 vs 1, and we were all firing swarm launcher. I know I hit the tank 6 times.
And they were spawn camping, So the only location we could spawn at they were continually firing. We'd manage to get off a few shots as we scattered.
and I can ask you a question back. Why does the military carry hardware like the AT-4? |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:15:00 -
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it's balanced. make a friend of a swarm or forge gun user and it's fine. |
Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:58:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:it's balanced. make a friend of a swarm or forge gun user and it's fine.
Please fully read the thread there was 4 of us firing swarmers |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:53:00 -
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You keep emphasising how you already said "we were shooting them with 4 swarm launchers" but you're not really addressing the "are you sure they were Militia?" question properly.
You mentioned one might not have been, and you specifically mentioned you were using a Militia Swarm Launcher.
If you have 4 Militia AV weapons firing at 4 tanks, and one is a well-fitted Prototype, while at least one of the others is a Militia Tank, but with high-level shield mods, you're going to be struggling to put a dent in them, especially if the harder targets are drawing most of your fire. |
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Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:00:00 -
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btw you know a swarm launcher fires a swarm of rockets, each rocket hits for only 350 dmg. so if you fired and only a single rocket hit (other can easly hit obstacles) thats a mere amount of dmg. |
Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:49:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:btw you know a swarm launcher fires a swarm of rockets, each rocket hits for only 350 dmg. so if you fired and only a single rocket hit (other can easly hit obstacles) thats a mere amount of dmg.
Yes, I do know this and that is why I was using lock on fire. I fire up when I shoot the swarmer so it sails over obstacles. |
Jerec Suron
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:You keep emphasising how you already said "we were shooting them with 4 swarm launchers" but you're not really addressing the "are you sure they were Militia?" question properly.
You mentioned one might not have been, and you specifically mentioned you were using a Militia Swarm Launcher.
If you have 4 Militia AV weapons firing at 4 tanks, and one is a well-fitted Prototype, while at least one of the others is a Militia Tank, but with high-level shield mods, you're going to be struggling to put a dent in them, especially if the harder targets are drawing most of your fire.
No, I think it is you that is missing the point. Swamers are ANTI TANK weapons. Regardless of the type of tank they should have the ability to take it out. with various degrees of difficulty, now if 4 people are firing swarmers I expect that tank not to withstand such fire power for a weapon that are designed to be Anti-tank. should it be impossible for militia swarmer to take out a prototype 1 vs 1? yes, but not 4 vs 1. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:05:00 -
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Fighting back a bit of a smile as I watch this thread go down. Tanks are fine. |
Ray seveN
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:04:00 -
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Zev Caldari wrote:you needed in that situation was teamwork + dropships it sounds like.
Teamwork + dropships < 1 sagaris |
Garl Dravon
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:32:00 -
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Jerec Suron wrote:Zev Caldari wrote:Sorry to break it to you but vehicles vs. infantry has always been unbalanced in every battlefield ever.
Why do you think tanks were invented?
1 infantry v 1 tank isn't the problem (though a skilled infantry can take out an unskilled/unaware/poorly fitted tank, which is nice) and the game shouldn't be balanced around that (unless you're a heavy, using heavy weapons - that's a separate issue). What you needed in that situation was teamwork + dropships it sounds like. Zev i'm not talking about 1 vs 1 we had 4 vs 1, and we were all firing swarm launcher. I know I hit the tank 6 times. And they were spawn camping, So the only location we could spawn at they were continually firing. We'd manage to get off a few shots as we scattered. and I can ask you a question back. Why does the military carry hardware like the AT-4?
If you were playing US Ambush, I'm sorry. If it makes you feel any better, that tank costs around 300k ISK. You'd make a pilot very sad if you were able to take it out without giving it your all! |
zerkin gerend
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:32:00 -
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even a soma *hope that is how you spell it* with a railgun+armor mods
just rocks
cant wait to get a sagaris |
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