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Remeus Reinheart
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 14:17:00 -
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first and foremost - get rid of the pay to win. Items that give an obvious advantage. Pay to win is wrong. Make AUR items cosmetically different only. Also the only repair module for vehicles seems to be AUR only. I hope that's just for the beta.
Second - To generate extra revenue allow corporations, in exchange for a subscription fee, to run corp/alliance only servers to act as "training grounds". As long as the subscription isn't ridiculously over-priced I think you may be surprised at the amount of corporations/clans that would be willing to pay for that sort of thing. As far as the EVE universe could go these could be based in high-sec, or, at the corporations discretion, low-sec, so that EVE players in the same alliance/corp can practise orbital bombardment procedures also.
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Remeus Reinheart
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:06:00 -
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Renzo Kuken wrote:Remeus Reinheart wrote:first and foremost - get rid of the pay to win. Items that give an obvious advantage. Pay to win is wrong. Make AUR items cosmetically different only. Also the only repair module for vehicles seems to be AUR only. I hope that's just for the beta.
Second - To generate extra revenue allow corporations, in exchange for a subscription fee, to run corp/alliance only servers to act as "training grounds". As long as the subscription isn't ridiculously over-priced I think you may be surprised at the amount of corporations/clans that would be willing to pay for that sort of thing. As far as the EVE universe could go these could be based in high-sec, or, at the corporations discretion, low-sec, so that EVE players in the same alliance/corp can practise orbital bombardment procedures also.
its not pay to win care bear
Wow how does complaining that people with real money have an advantage have anything to do with carebearing. If anything the other way around is carebearing because you're paying for protection/an advantage against other people. That is carebearing. Nice to see the eve trolls infesting the dust forums now too.
Also not all models are side grades. Do some digging you'll find AUR items that are obviously better than what you can get with isk. They're not hard to find just look at the details. Some suits have higher shield or better CPU than what you can possibly get with isk with all of the other stats of equal value. Yes, it's not the worst business model for balance (not nearly as bad as tribes) but the simple fact is the money items give an advantage. Even if it was as little as 1cpu that's still an advantage. 1cpu could allow you to fit an extra shield extender giving you a much better shield. All those in eve know the feeling of... "damn it! if I just had 3 more cpu I could fit x module..." Because of the way the game works you can't isolate the item and evaluate it in and of itself you have to see what knock-on effect this could have. Just do some browsing of the market and you'll see what I mean.
Even allowing people to have better suits at lower skill levels is a bit off, especially since they're allowed to buy skill boosts too. Skill boosts I can understand for people who work more but have less time, that makes sense but giving people better suits at lower skill is buying power no matter how you spin it. There should just be an equal version of each suite one for isk one (or more) for AUR.
Don't underestimate how much people will be willing to pay for cosmetic differences. I'm not just pointing this out because I personally thing pay to win is wrong, but once the game is released there could be huge backlash. Look at the hate from the Tribes community every time they release a new unbalanced item. Better yet look at the EVE ideas forums when ever anybody suggests something that is even remotely pay to win. LetGÇÖs face it EVE players are probably going to make up a majority of the player base. An unequal playing field is still pay to win though as people have pointed out it is not the worst.
I've mentioned this before but Planetside is going to be this games main competitor and they are specifically avoiding pay to win. Cosmetic, exp multipliers and otherwise obtainable with in-game currency items, not even allowing you to use them with lower skill like here.
This game is going to have some cool and unique aspects like planetary bombardment and even just the overall integration with EVE but even a minor advantage through real money could create a backlash. CCP should know by know how unforgiving the EVE community can be.
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Remeus Reinheart
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:03:00 -
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RoBoJerk wrote:Remeus Reinheart wrote: Pay to win is wrong.
Hippie. This is part of the EVE universe, it's all about unfair advantages.
Again with the trolling. If you're not going to be constructive don't bother, seriously. Also, again, personal insults aside how is saying people should have access to the same content within the game hippieish or carebearing. Obviously you don't have the skill required to make it in EVE where everyone has access to all content and feel you need to buy your way into a win with real money that's all you're proving.
Yes, EVE is unfair, but it's all within the game mechanics. Everyone, if they work hard enough can access anything. Everything can be obtained by anybody. Here you're paying real money to do something another player can't that gives you an advantage. If anything that goes against the sand box. It's like saying to get a titan in EVE you have to buy it with AUR. To get a battleship skill book you have to pay AUR. Getting suits early through a means that isn't in-game is pay to win. Getting suits that are blatently better than any other suit available is pay to win.
Your arguments make no sense Ro, none at all. Normally I don't bother engaging trolls because lets face it, they're pathetic childish morons who are incapable of providing rational arguments but in this case it's bugging the crap out of me because you're all arse-backwards in your argument. If anything the carebear is the person who pays real money to protect themselves in the game. How would you feel if you couldn't be a carebear ganker (which considering your ill thought and witless insults you likely are) [carebear ganker being high-sec gankers who hide behind concord mechanic so they can kill unarmed ships for those who don't play eve] because carebear miners could buy better shield modules with real money that you can't get with isk that would mean you couldn't kill them in time before you got concorded. Not happy I imagine...
Unfairness in EVE is about having the skill or smarts to pull it off not buying it with out of game means.
@Garrett - Look at the top tier AUR stuff. They do have an advantage over the other suits in that catagoery also. |
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