DUST Search - So where are we now.....

Bright Cloud wrote:

First off ive noticed that you call Eve now F2P. Let me tell you its not, its a freemium game or a unlimited demo at best. The restrictions are way to heavy to actually have a impact on the game. And secondly to answer your first question:

We are nowhere and we are not moving anywhere aswell. I even question it that CCP is actually making another FPS game to begin with. As i recall Dust wasnt the sucess CCP dreamed about. They had no experience and threw out a game that looked subpar and ran worse then Crysis on a windows 95 PC.

I would like to know from a official source if they are wroking on a FPS or not. There is nothing inbetween and the silence surrounding it isnt something that gives me confidence that we will see another FPS game from CCP.

CCP are eager to make promises on projects/ideas but usually fail to deliver. Some would say they blatantly lie to their Eve community to keep subs up. Pretty interesting how a Developer and Publisher makes 180 degree turns on their decisions like a goldfish beeing aible to keep its focus up for 3 seconds.

Ah well this is enough rambling about CCP. In the end ive came to the conclusion to expect nothing from them so i wont be dissapointed.

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Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 502	Posted - 2016.10.28 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote Some time ago i made a post that went on about my imaginings for the future of Dust. In it I speculated that in my opinion the only way to get the sort of imersion i was after was to make Dust an actually free to play component of EVE itself. So that none subscribing players could play and purchase Dust items off the market, maybe have some basic manufacturing ability to make and sell Dust equipment (or Not Legion equipment as was the thing at the time). But the main reason of this was so that the FPS players could actually see the universe of New Eden around them. Maybe instead of clone jumping everywhere as was the lore with Dust you actually have to fly to the station/planet where the battle was occuring in a trooper transporter loaded with clones to fight with. But limited to PVE and Public matches. If you were a subscriber of course you could play eve and Dust for real - getting involved in faction warefare and Sov PVP. This post caught the eye of one Aiwha Bait who commented on it in a blog on Biomassed called - what if dust offered a subscription? which can be found here http://biomassed.net/2015/06/13/what-if-dust-514-offered-a-subscription/ . Given some of the up comming changes to EVE i thought i might revisit this idea and see if others liked the idea too.....and how far the idea could be fleshed out. The first major change to eve is of course the advent of Free to play. By default anyone will be able to download the launcher, create an account and play EVE in a limited, but still meaningful way. Now stop there and think about that for a second... If the default launcher provides Free to Play access to EVE, if could also be the launcher for your character choosing to play DUST/Nova, or Valkryie, or GunJack. Without paying a penny for subscription obviously. This is CCP being able to offer all its products under one roof so to speak. But i am interested how far this idea can be pushed. If I use the example set by Frontier Developments who are the makers of Elite Dangerous, they have actually 2 games in the package, 1 being Elite Dangerous itself which is the actual Universe Itself with trading and exploration and everything like that. And then a stand alone game that is their dog fighting game which uses similar flight mechanics but is supposed to be more of an edge of the seat quick shooter. DUST/NOVA the Lobby shooter To run the DUST product from the launcher could start the lobby shooter - which would be the new equivalent of a public match or what I am calling blood sport mode) - Now none of these matches would be subject to match making but you would be able to see who was waiting and challenge them. If you pick someone who is a lot better than you then more fool you. You could join or create a match as either a solo player or a fireteam. They also wouldnt have any impact of the political landscape of EVE as they are hosted in Empire space. However if would provide an ISK flow to the player for winning the match. And some small reward for the loser so they weren't losing everything. The match would take place in a map the size of one of the larger sockets from DUST. And could have a couple of game modes like domination and aquisition. How does this integrate into EVE? This is the clever bit (i think anyway lol). Around the map there could be cameras which would capture the game play much like the twitch plugin for EVE allows you to stream your game. This would be streamed to a new UI within EVE which would allow people to bet on a match (CCP would then control flow of isk and objects from EVE related gambling now that external sites are against to EULA). DUST/NoVA as part of EVE As someone who plays EVE as Free to Play you would get access to T1 ships of your chosen race and FPS items of a similar standard. But the lobby experience would be gone (or hidden). Some time ago CCP tried to release an expansion that would allow walking and interaction with people in stations. This was a monumental disaster as when we finally got our hands on it, it was only one room with no interaction and there was no plan for how it was to affect the rest of the game. Which as you all know is the key. This mode if almost never used unless you want to see the jacket that you have just purchased from the NEX store but is pretty much useless. It needs to be replaced in my opinion with Walking and Fighting in stations (cus its more interesting than walking) . I'm thinking huge maps that rely on streaming content as you go from area to area with multiple objectives. There maybe PVE also on these maps which will give some use to them outside of taking structures over. You land your ship in station and are greeted with the normal screen when docked however if you were to click the new button (called transfer to combat clone or something) Peaceful contact PVE - You would appear in the station HUB with other players wanting to do PVE in the station there would be agents stand around or on screens waiting to give out missions, Drones or pirates could infest NPC ships for example. PVE Invasion - Your own PI structures or drilling platforms could be infested be drones or pirates which may affect their ability to operate. At this point the POCO structure would need to be replaced by a orbital elevator. You would be required to fly out to the correct planet dock with the elevator and dock. Then choose which of your structures you would like to visit/defend. To be continued..... Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 502	Posted - 2016.10.28 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote Factional Warefare There would need to be some changes to the existing mechancs within EVE here however. The structure in the FW sites would be a small station, rather than having to be within range of it for 5 minutes or whatever to take it over you would dock with it change to Combat clone and hack the terminal (think domination). Of course you would need to defend this in case someone else tries to take it back. The issue here is that EVE is being decided by fps gameplay which was always a problem - however we are talking about the same community here anyone playing eve is playing dust/Nova and not replying on someone else. Never the less i think this would need to have some mechanic whereby you could take the plex by simply being in space around the structure but the more structures you hack the quicker the space will fall similar to how the dust bonuses used to work. So you dont have to play the FPS module to win but it helps. Sov space - This is where things would get very interesting.... The thing here is you get thousands of people involved here and numbers to a high degree make a difference yet FPS are limited in the numbers they can support due to their nature. Now at this point bear in mind I havent played the sov side of eve for some time so if i'm wrong about any of the mechanics please be nice :). As far as im aware you can challenge sov of a system by running the PVE sites similar to the ones in fac war but with some which would now take a similar form to the facwar ones (the option hacking in FPS mode to get a quicker system takeover). This would not only give the chance for smaller fleets but also small fireteam fps play if you choose. The added bonus here if that when the station or citadel (if there is one in the system) becomes vulnerable you will need to take multiple objectives so would have a team of several dozens fighting for different objectives you may even need to place a contract to fill your FPS slots with actual mercs not just your own fleet members. Now maybe this is a huge map similar where an FC can select squads and order them to attack or defend different objectives but using zoning and content streaming this would allow many soldiers to fight at once. An issue i always had with Dust was that some of the battle areas had multiple maps on them but you had to stay in the bit of the map you were assigned to. If zones were used wisely you would visit the whole battle, maybe even help out another unit if you were not being attacked at that time. All the FPS stuff would of course be in Unreal4 but it would be loaded up when clicking on the transfer to combat clone button in eve much the same was that Captains quarters did But would maintain some look of EVE and chats and the same database. You would be able to buy combat Armour specific skins in the NEX to apply to your suits just like in DUST.... Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 366	Posted - 2016.11.01 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote Bookmarking this so that I can read it in a little bit. Gonna link in the Biomassed Discord and see if we can get some more discussion about this going. Look forward to reading the post! "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Every hole is goal. - 1NC0R
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1256	Posted - 2016.11.01 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Some time ago CCP tried to release an expansion that would allow walking and interaction with people in stations. This was a monumental disaster as when we finally got our hands on it, it was only one room with no interaction and there was no plan for how it was to affect the rest of the game. Which as you all know is the key. This mode if almost never used unless you want to see the jacket that you have just purchased from the NEX store but is pretty much useless. It needs to be replaced in my opinion with Walking and Fighting in stations (cus its more interesting than walking) First let me say, I love your ideas. As to the issues surrounding Walking in Stations (WiS), the reason we only got that one room with an endlessly contaminated environment outside the door to the station corridor is that the EvE players generally did not warm to the idea of WiS, saying pretty much routinely that it was a waste of resources they would prefer to see devoted to fixing bugs and glitches in EvE. They didn't want anything but improvements to their space environments. This I believe was extremely short sighted of them, but it was even more short sighted of CCP to listen to this and curtail any further efforts towards WiS at least at the time. The option is now, of course, open to them once more. We could still have Walking in Stations, and its expansion of Walking in Ships (they could all be under the one banner of WiS, of course). And yes, I believe transport of clones from one system to another by EvE ships as cargo in EvE capsuleers cargo holds, or perhaps a newly added passenger compartment functionality, would be perfect for the purpose. People do clone jump from one system to another of course, if they have the proper training, but other than a jump back to their medical clone when they're podded, noone has the capacity to do this at will without that training. In short I see all the "lore" of Dust clones to be a fairly unbelievable concocted version of EvE history to allow for the shortcuts that had to be put into Dust when WiS was canned. WiS was going to be the interface between EvE and Dust. When it was canned, they had to find a way to explain how Dust worked without the necessary EvE functionality to transport mercs around the systems. It's high time that functionality was brought back and enhanced, and Nova is the obvious place to do it, in conjunction with the new free-to-play EvE.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2449	Posted - 2016.11.01 23:33:00 - [5] - Quote To answer the thread title, we're in purgatory desperately awaiting 2.6....
DUST Fiend 18821	Posted - 2016.11.02 01:24:00 - [6] - Quote Just me personally, I would pay $100 up front for the game before I ever payed even $10 a month for it. FPS games are simply too shallow by their nature to offer that kind of value. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 367	Posted - 2016.11.02 03:20:00 - [7] - Quote Alright, now I'm somewhere that I can type a blurb out. I really dont feel like we should wall off game modes to F2P members. Really divides the community, I feel. The great thing about DUST was being F2P yet having more battle options other than just pubs. If it hadn't, I probably would have quit a long time ago. With that said, however, maybe F2P players wouldnt have access to the WiS portion, they'd just see a battle menu similar to what we had in DUST. I agree with DUST Fiend - FPS games, even ones like DUST that were pretty deep, are too shallow for any sort of subscription model to work. Now, if you implemented your idea as a one-time payment option, like DLC or something, yeah, that'd be a neat little feature for like, $5 or $10, maybe more depending on what all it comes with. Overall though, I really do love your idea! Kinda hope CCP people see this and can draw some inspiration from it ;) "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Every hole is goal. - 1NC0R
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1951	Posted - 2016.11.02 03:53:00 - [8] - Quote First off ive noticed that you call Eve now F2P. Let me tell you its not, its a freemium game or a unlimited demo at best. The restrictions are way to heavy to actually have a impact on the game. And secondly to answer your first question: We are nowhere and we are not moving anywhere aswell. I even question it that CCP is actually making another FPS game to begin with. As i recall Dust wasnt the sucess CCP dreamed about. They had no experience and threw out a game that looked subpar and ran worse then Crysis on a windows 95 PC. I would like to know from a official source if they are wroking on a FPS or not. There is nothing inbetween and the silence surrounding it isnt something that gives me confidence that we will see another FPS game from CCP. CCP are eager to make promises on projects/ideas but usually fail to deliver. Some would say they blatantly lie to their Eve community to keep subs up. Pretty interesting how a Developer and Publisher makes 180 degree turns on their decisions like a goldfish beeing aible to keep its focus up for 3 seconds. Ah well this is enough rambling about CCP. In the end ive came to the conclusion to expect nothing from them so i wont be dissapointed. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 367	Posted - 2016.11.02 19:12:00 - [9] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: First off ive noticed that you call Eve now F2P. Let me tell you its not, its a freemium game or a unlimited demo at best. The restrictions are way to heavy to actually have a impact on the game. And secondly to answer your first question: We are nowhere and we are not moving anywhere aswell. I even question it that CCP is actually making another FPS game to begin with. As i recall Dust wasnt the sucess CCP dreamed about. They had no experience and threw out a game that looked subpar and ran worse then Crysis on a windows 95 PC. I would like to know from a official source if they are wroking on a FPS or not. There is nothing inbetween and the silence surrounding it isnt something that gives me confidence that we will see another FPS game from CCP. CCP are eager to make promises on projects/ideas but usually fail to deliver. Some would say they blatantly lie to their Eve community to keep subs up. Pretty interesting how a Developer and Publisher makes 180 degree turns on their decisions like a goldfish beeing aible to keep its focus up for 3 seconds. Ah well this is enough rambling about CCP. In the end ive came to the conclusion to expect nothing from them so i wont be dissapointed. Logibro literally said that NOVA was being worked on during EVE Vegas. Also LogicLoop's Twitter feed is full of little things. DUST Vets Discord always has positive things coming from the CPM about the development progress of the game. If you say that CCP isnt working on a shooter, or even question the idea, you dont have all the facts and should probably get them. EDIT: Also, this. And did you totally like, miss FanFest? "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Every hole is goal. - 1NC0R
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1956	Posted - 2016.11.04 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Logibro literally said that NOVA was being worked on during EVE Vegas. Also LogicLoop's Twitter feed is full of little things. DUST Vets Discord always has positive things coming from the CPM about the development progress of the game. If you say that CCP isnt working on a shooter, or even question the idea, you dont have all the facts and should probably get them. EDIT: Also, this. And did you totally like, miss FanFest? Anybody can say they are "working on something". And im not gonna sign up onto some website you just linked. Until they actually show proper gameplay and a rough estimate release date i believe nothing. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.

IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS The Red Skull 609	Posted - 2016.11.04 02:10:00 - [11] - Quote :) Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 367	Posted - 2016.11.04 16:44:00 - [12] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: Logibro literally said that NOVA was being worked on during EVE Vegas. Also LogicLoop's Twitter feed is full of little things. DUST Vets Discord always has positive things coming from the CPM about the development progress of the game. If you say that CCP isnt working on a shooter, or even question the idea, you dont have all the facts and should probably get them. EDIT: Also, this. And did you totally like, miss FanFest? Anybody can say they are "working on something". And im not gonna sign up onto some website you just linked. Until they actually show proper gameplay and a rough estimate release date i believe nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLGdp9lp2Kw&ab_channel=DennieFleetfoot "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Every hole is goal. - 1NC0R
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2449	Posted - 2016.11.04 17:27:00 - [13] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: Logibro literally said that NOVA was being worked on during EVE Vegas. Also LogicLoop's Twitter feed is full of little things. DUST Vets Discord always has positive things coming from the CPM about the development progress of the game. If you say that CCP isnt working on a shooter, or even question the idea, you dont have all the facts and should probably get them. EDIT: Also, this. And did you totally like, miss FanFest? Anybody can say they are "working on something". And im not gonna sign up onto some website you just linked. Until they actually show proper gameplay and a rough estimate release date i believe nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLGdp9lp2Kw&ab_channel=DennieFleetfoot Yeah, so? That's seven months old.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16124	Posted - 2016.11.04 19:23:00 - [14] - Quote What the actual F*ck do you people even want or expect? Games aren't made overnight. I understand withholding hope given experience with Dust and Legion, but being reasonably wary does not mean shoving your head so far up your a$$ that you can't see the light of day. Nova is developed in the real world by people who can't wave a magic wand and makw the game suddenly complete. That doesn't mean they aren't making progress or working on the game. If that bothers you, maybe video games aren't your thing. Or basically anything other than staring at a wall. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 2801	Posted - 2016.11.04 20:34:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What the actual F*ck do you people even want or expect? Games aren't made overnight. I understand withholding hope given experience with Dust and Legion, but being reasonably wary does not mean shoving your head so far up your a$$ that you can't see the light of day. Nova is developed in the real world by people who can't wave a magic wand and makw the game suddenly complete. That doesn't mean they aren't making progress or working on the game. If that bothers you, maybe video games aren't your thing. Or basically anything other than staring at a wall. Well said! +1 Dealing with depression through aggression, love it. BEST QUOTE!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1956	Posted - 2016.11.07 06:55:00 - [16] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: Logibro literally said that NOVA was being worked on during EVE Vegas. Also LogicLoop's Twitter feed is full of little things. DUST Vets Discord always has positive things coming from the CPM about the development progress of the game. If you say that CCP isnt working on a shooter, or even question the idea, you dont have all the facts and should probably get them. EDIT: Also, this. And did you totally like, miss FanFest? Anybody can say they are "working on something". And im not gonna sign up onto some website you just linked. Until they actually show proper gameplay and a rough estimate release date i believe nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLGdp9lp2Kw&ab_channel=DennieFleetfoot Thats old we saw that before Dust got shutdown. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.


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