DUST Search - Press Article on Project Nova

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest.

This is the point of this exercise. Make the core game good, then add things into that core, tailoring them to fit the game, not just adding them for the sake of having them. Case in point: HAVs, would you rather have them be part of the initial tech demo just to have them? Or would you rather have them developed with the maps, the counters, the AV, and have them be a meaningful and useful, challenging part of the battlefield rather than random infantry harvester #3? I'd rather they had a role, a purpose and such that doesn't involve "killing people like infantry do, only better, and needing specific weapons to be killed back." It can certainly include that, but if it's the be-all, end-all I'll be sorely disappointed.

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Oh, and as for 6v6.

It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes.

Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games.

Core gameplay and rules should come first, battlefield support units should absolutely be added, but unless the core gameplay is good, the vehicle gameplay will wing up being sh*t anyway.

CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''

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DiablosMajora 393	Posted - 2016.04.21 17:41:00 - [1] - Quote " There are much grander plans for Project Nova thoughGÇöplans that donGÇÖt at all come through from this little arena shooter demo. The long-term vision for Nova is to get back to the Dust 514 dream, blending Nova together with EVE Online. Not in real-time, per se. +ürnason says that only GÇ£one percent of one percentGÇ¥ of EVE Online players ever used the real-time feedback aspects of Dust. But the idea of the Planetary Conquest mode, wherein corporations battled for control of planets, is something +ürnason wants to resurrect in NovaGÇöand more. GÇ£What IGÇÖd like to do is some sort of economic link,GÇ¥ says +ürnason. In this hypothetical situation, he sees a corporation in EVE Online and in Nova linking up, potentially by way of a structure created in EVE, and then hooking together so each side gets money or other resources. GÇ£That future is all an open map,GÇ¥ says +ürnason. GÇ£We can do whatever we want, after we demonstrate the correct shooting mechanics.GÇ¥ ItGÇÖs bottom-up development, and talking to +ürnason it seems like this is the opposite of DustGÇöa game that seemingly started with a grand plan but could never nail down the details. The downside: The demo here at Fanfest is not nearly as inspired, mainly because none of those big-picture details are in yet. Which is not to say itGÇÖs bad. ItGÇÖs not! ItGÇÖs a perfectly fine twist on the arena shooter. But itGÇÖs clearly early days for development, and I have a feeling plenty of people will walk away from Nova this week feeling like itGÇÖs lacking a hook, a standout feature, not realizing that those are on the long-term roadmap. " http://www.pcworld.com/article/3060034/software/hands-on-ccps-project-nova-melds-fast-action-gunplay-with-eve-onlines-universe.html Prepare your angus
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7832	Posted - 2016.04.21 17:43:00 - [2] - Quote Good link. We should try and keep this one bumped as well. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 29383	Posted - 2016.04.21 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: long-term roadmap I think that perhaps people are a little bit sick of those. Everything has to come to an end, sometime.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4690	Posted - 2016.04.21 17:54:00 - [4] - Quote COD in space: Nova edition 6v6 arena with no vehicles and dumbed down features/connection to EVE which is the opposite of DUST but also makes it shite by comparision. 0 steps forward and a chainsaw to the legs to prevent moving forward. Legion with a burning tree offered more hope, at least i could hang my player from it. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Foundation Seldon Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1049	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:04:00 - [5] - Quote That's actually a really good article, and the focus from CCP on building up the -ahem- foundation for a great shooter first and foremost shows above all else that they've learned from the Dust 514 experience. I can't wait to see how this project evolves and hope we'll be seeing the vehicle play and focus on the immense depth that came from fitting options as they progress through development. Good on you CCP Shanghai, I expect great things.
Trooper X TROOPER Corp X 90	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:30:00 - [6] - Quote Just in case some people missed it... To get the full size versions of the screen shots in the op's linked article... Right click and open the images in a new tab... To get the first image in the article change the ' screenshot number to 2 and the final digit in the address to 1 '... (like so... projectnovascreenshot2-100657111-orig ) TROOPER Corp X - Solo Merc - Blueberry Corp
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1553	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. ae
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1572	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:42:00 - [8] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. Destiny has some of the best game performance and that games sh!t. It's a little concerning that every time I hear great performance that it's translating into a lobby shooter experience nowadays. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:42:00 - [9] - Quote lol 6v6 #dustisdead
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 16129	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:50:00 - [10] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. We have been yelling at them to fix gameplay first. I'm glad they're making it priority #1. If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest. Oh, and as for 6v6. It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes. Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games. Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.

AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:08:00 - [11] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. We have been yelling at them to fix gameplay first. I'm glad they're making it priority #1. If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest. Oh, and as for 6v6. It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes. Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games. They had it right during closed beta, then took it away as time went on.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 15110	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:15:00 - [12] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. We have been yelling at them to fix gameplay first. I'm glad they're making it priority #1. If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest. Oh, and as for 6v6. It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes. Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games. In one of the articles I read, I believe it was this one, Rattati mentioned still wanting PC and having that aspect. I think if they get down to planetary level in the future, there is a good chance for vehicles. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1555	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:17:00 - [13] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. Destiny has some of the best game performance and that games sh!t. It's a little concerning that every time I hear great performance that it's translating into a lobby shooter experience nowadays. Yeah the thing is CCP is not bungy. I know project nova will become bigger as time progresses. Right now instead of making huge promises like they did with dust they are heavily focusing in game play performance which to me is the biggest priority in an FPS game and any game in general. Once things are ironed out the rest of the content will surely come. Tanks, game modes, new weapons, new maps, suits, bigger fights. Whatever they want to add. If am wrong then too bad. But this seems the most logical way. There would be no point adding more content whilst losing players because of bad game performance. Something that happened here in dust as we saw with the release of uprising. Glad to see CCP acknowledging how important this is. ae
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3641	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:25:00 - [14] - Quote We've told them we want the original vision, and it appears that is what they have in mind. Starting out by building a solid FPS foundation makes sense. We would be bitching if it was as sloppy as DUST is on the PS3. They are of a practical mind for EO integration. Realtime integration both too difficult and too limiting. The architecture won't allow boarding of EO ships even if the players wouldn't freak out over the possibility. That leaves OB as the sole realtime interaction and that doesn't add much to either game. We have WB OB's that do the same job. I like the economic link as that adds an MMO element that has been lacking.
DiablosMajora 399	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:27:00 - [15] - Quote Skihids wrote: economic link full scale industry, salvage, and mining confirmed?!? Prepare your angus
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3675	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:28:00 - [16] - Quote http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/21/11477884/ccp-project-nova-pc-eve-online Better Interview with Rattati CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
DiablosMajora 399	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:34:00 - [17] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/21/11477884/ccp-project-nova-pc-eve-online Better Interview with Rattati Updated OP Prepare your angus
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 2974	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:38:00 - [18] - Quote Ok CCP. Yes, these are on the long term roadmap... but with not saying this during the stream... actually saying the opposite... you are already scaring people away. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3641	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote CCP has never been very good at talking about DUST, so its poor handling of the news today is no surprise. The one big thing we learn from them is that they don't learn from past mistakes.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3748	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:46:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Ok CCP. Yes, these are on the long term roadmap... but with not saying this during the stream... actually saying the opposite... you are already scaring people away. In fact now it makes sense. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 2984	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:56:00 - [21] - Quote I really disagree with the way they handle loadouts. It seems to be more like Battlefield or CoD where you chose your weapon and some perks, instead of actually equipping a dropsuit. The loadouts were one of the few things which actually worked in Dust and were incredibly fun to do. At least they haven't written off the Eve Online interaction and PI. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 19361	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:03:00 - [22] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: That is a really smart move. CCP needs to have a firm foundation with the game's performance first. A game with poor performance makes it difficult to make balance fixes and many other things. Dropsuit Usage Rates
ROMULUS H3X research lab 1066	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:38:00 - [23] - Quote Thanks, things are looking better and better for this new EVE FPS! FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12912	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:48:00 - [24] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest. This is the point of this exercise. Make the core game good, then add things into that core, tailoring them to fit the game, not just adding them for the sake of having them. Case in point: HAVs, would you rather have them be part of the initial tech demo just to have them? Or would you rather have them developed with the maps, the counters, the AV, and have them be a meaningful and useful, challenging part of the battlefield rather than random infantry harvester #3? I'd rather they had a role, a purpose and such that doesn't involve "killing people like infantry do, only better, and needing specific weapons to be killed back." Quote: Oh, and as for 6v6. It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes. Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games. Core gameplay and rules should come first, battlefield support units should absolutely be added, but unless the core gameplay is good, the vehicle gameplay will wing up being sh*t anyway. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
DiablosMajora 404	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:55:00 - [25] - Quote So CPM, when do we get a crack at this (pls ;-;) Prepare your angus
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12914	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:56:00 - [26] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: So CPM, when do we get a crack at this (pls ;-;) Get in line, I call dibs. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
DiablosMajora 404	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:04:00 - [27] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: So CPM, when do we get a crack at this (pls ;-;) Get in line, I call dibs. In all seriousness, I'd like to know what kind of feedback the demo has been receiving over the first day. Anyone have the scoop, CPM or otherwise? Prepare your angus
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3679	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:38:00 - [28] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: So CPM, when do we get a crack at this (pls ;-;) Get in line, I call dibs. In all seriousness, I'd like to know what kind of feedback the demo has been receiving over the first day. Anyone have the scoop, CPM or otherwise? I was standing in the debriefing room with Rattati and Frame for a good while listening in to several groups giving feedback. It's been very positive so far with many describing it as very tight and precise. The other thing is that this demo was not on a LAN or a server in the room, it was over the Internet. And there was no lag. So that's good. They also had to cap the frame rate for the connection to work. The PCs were cranking it out at 200fps at max settings otherwise. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
DiablosMajora 405	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:43:00 - [29] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: So CPM, when do we get a crack at this (pls ;-;) Get in line, I call dibs. In all seriousness, I'd like to know what kind of feedback the demo has been receiving over the first day. Anyone have the scoop, CPM or otherwise? I was standing in the debriefing room with Rattati and Frame for a good while listening in to several groups giving feedback. It's been very positive so far with many describing it as very tight and precise. The other thing is that this demo was not on a LAN or a server in the room, it was over the Internet. And there was no lag. So that's good. They also had to cap the frame rate for the connection to work. The PCs were cranking it out at 200fps at max settings otherwise. From a few of the videos that I've watched it looks quite fluid. If there's any way you could ask Rattati or Frame for some official correspondence (preferably posted here on the forms) that would be amazing. Any little thing, even about the "tiered recognition rewards", would be double-plus good, although that might be a tall order before FF is over. Glad to hear that the demo is well received though, and all the better to get the thing greenlit. Prepare your angus
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4703	Posted - 2016.04.21 22:31:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If all goes well, they'll make a good shooter first, and then expand on the rest. This is the point of this exercise. Make the core game good, then add things into that core, tailoring them to fit the game, not just adding them for the sake of having them. Case in point: HAVs, would you rather have them be part of the initial tech demo just to have them? Or would you rather have them developed with the maps, the counters, the AV, and have them be a meaningful and useful, challenging part of the battlefield rather than random infantry harvester #3? I'd rather they had a role, a purpose and such that doesn't involve "killing people like infantry do, only better, and needing specific weapons to be killed back." It can certainly include that, but if it's the be-all, end-all I'll be sorely disappointed. Quote: Oh, and as for 6v6. It's a TECH demo people. They didn't have fittings either. My money is on them leaving it out for demo purposes. Vehicles are worrying though, I really hope they are included down the line. Combined Arms is my favorite thing in games. Core gameplay and rules should come first, battlefield support units should absolutely be added, but unless the core gameplay is good, the vehicle gameplay will wing up being sht anyway. Vehicle gameplay was good 4+ ****** years ago, i had a purpose, i had tactics and variety when this game started, i had more than i do now. Building an arena game does not work for vehicles, chalk and cheese and just because mechanics are good for infantry does not translate to vehicles. A MMO needs to have everything, what about having an open map or 2 to be able to test vehicles against each other? Surly they had enough time to that? They already have everything anyways in DUST so it cannot be too hard and they had the best part of a year if not longer to showcase something better than what we have now at least from the infantry side and even that is lacking and has been dumbed down. Saying its a tech demo is a poor excuse, you either build something that is worth showing off or you dont bother at all. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''



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