do you play eve... if so idk how you could ask, if not then you will see my man, stuff will even out when more content is added.... just cuz people can use crutches does not make it pay to win.... id explain more but im busy shooting you

You're wrong. If someone can use a heavier piece of armor for the same PG or less using AUR vs ISK bought ones, then it's P2W. That is the DEFINITION of pay to win.

Its not pay to win because you can buy stuff with AUR using micro transactions, then you can sell it on the market for ISK.

So if you are good at the game and can make isk, you can buy the same stuff.

Its not pay to win. Get over it. Stop complaining about it.

Pay to win = pay $ for things that give you advantage that you CANT get without paying.

So, DUST =/= P2W.

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Second, all this assumes that people will buy these AUR items, and sell them. Some will, but I'm very much afraid tht they will never be sold in the numbers that are required, and the prices will go from stupid high, and up.

Would you prefer monthly subscriptions or one time payments over F2P?

At the end of the day players still have to battle it out using player skill, and no battlefield AUR items are designed to out class the ISK items.

DUST is F2P and when the player market place comes along, those who purchase AUR will be able to sell AUR items to players for ISK. So in essence even F2P players can obtain AUR items if they're good enough to earn the ISK, much like those EVE players who play for free by buying PLEX (Game Time) for ISK from other players.

You can ONLY get AUR Items with micro transactions. They are not on the market yet, and I won't count them as being on the market till they are actually SEEN on the market.
Beta or not,

Second, all this assumes that people will buy these AUR items, and sell them. Some will, but I'm very much afraid tht they will never be sold in the numbers that are required, and the prices will go from stupid high, and up.

The argument "players will sell AUR items for ISK" is likely, however I have read 0 Dev confirmation of that. Until it is a confirmed feature, P2W is the current game style. You can progress faster by spending a little money, and you can progress even faster for a little more money. If you buy AUR weapons, they have higher META levels in earlier tiers, on top of lower PG/CPU requirements.

The argument "players will sell AUR items for ISK" is likely, however I have read 0 Dev confirmation of that. Until it is a confirmed feature, P2W is the current game style. You can progress faster by spending a little money, and you can progress even faster for a little more money. If you buy AUR weapons, they have higher META levels in earlier tiers, on top of lower PG/CPU requirements.

Yes, but do you actually win by progressing faster? Or do you just progress faster?

And if some players with limited time use AUR to barely keep up, should they be punished for wanting to keep up?

The whole argument is much more about how much time can or should be spent in game. Players that want to get ahead by any means necessary will do so no matter what it takes. Some might use AUR items to do so.

However, there are a vast number of players that don't have free time to grind ISK all day every day and they will want to feel like they are playing with some good gear too.

Taking that AUR opportunity away from them will just hurt the average player with some speding money and won't really impact the win at all costs players.

I have seen the devs confirm this feature multiple times in multiple settings in clear and certain terms. There is no question, unless CCP go back on their word and directly contradict previous assurances they have given on this matter, AUR items will be purchasable from the player driven market for ISK.