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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:

This I believe is thee most logical way of going about Balancing AV vs Vehicles. Mainly Swarms.

It's been said many times, all you have to do is create 3 different types of Swarms. It's highly illogically stupid to constantly buff the range this patch, nerf the damage this patch, buff the speed the next, up the range the next, and so on and so fourth.

Apparently CCP Is very fond of never ending cycles. If you revolve Nerfing or Buffing AV for the sake of balancing one Vehicle Class, you are never ever going to get anywhere. It's no wonder AV vs Vehicles is honestly so ******.

1) All you really need to do is create a different variant for each vehicle, Dumb Fire, Assault, and Your Standard Swarm.

2) Balance accordingly to each vehicle, assault being the one for the Derpships, Dumbfire for Tanks, Your Vanilla for an in-between the two.

3) You'll never hear another complaint about Swarms Again.

I believe Plasma Cannons and Forge Guns are in the Right place. (Finally)

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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2016.01.13 04:22:00 - [1] - Quote This I believe is thee most logical way of going about Balancing AV vs Vehicles. Mainly Swarms. It's been said many times, all you have to do is create 3 different types of Swarms. It's highly illogically stupid to constantly buff the range this pacth, nerf the damage this path, buff the speed the next, up the range the next, and so on and so fourth. Apparently CCP Is very fond of never ending cycles. If you revolve Nerfing or Buffing AV for the sake of balancing one Vehicle Class, you are never ever going to get anywhere. It's no wonder AV vs Vehicles is honestly so ****. 1) All you really need to do is create a different variant for each vehicle, Dumb Fire, Assault, and Your Standard Swarm. 2) Balance accordingly to each vehicle, assault being the one for the Derpships, Dumbfire for Tanks, Your Vanilla for an in-between the two. 3) You'll never hear another complaint about Swarms Again. I believe Plasma Cannons and Forge Guns are in the Right place. (Finally) Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!** a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 208	Posted - 2016.01.13 05:27:00 - [2] - Quote Banana Ex-news reporter for The Scope
SereneJedi PIanet Express 36	Posted - 2016.01.13 05:30:00 - [3] - Quote Don't buff swarms, Buff vehicles Soto Gallente wrote: Banana Quit stealing my snacks! Rouvenchist of PIanet Express There is another Vahzzian...
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP MORS CERTA 761	Posted - 2016.01.13 05:36:00 - [4] - Quote Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring... Banana... phone! -- LKC -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2016.01.13 06:14:00 - [5] - Quote I attract trolls ! Who knew? Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
SereneJedi PIanet Express 37	Posted - 2016.01.13 06:24:00 - [6] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: I attract trolls ! Who knew? To be fair, I try and reply to every thread to spread my opinionated, trollistic vocal arraignments equally to everyone. Rouvenchist of PIanet Express There is another Vahzzian...
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.14 01:46:00 - [7] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: This I believe is thee most logical way of going about Balancing AV vs Vehicles. Mainly Swarms. It's been said many times, all you have to do is create 3 different types of Swarms. It's highly illogically stupid to constantly buff the range this patch, nerf the damage this patch, buff the speed the next, up the range the next, and so on and so fourth. Apparently CCP Is very fond of never ending cycles. If you revolve Nerfing or Buffing AV for the sake of balancing one Vehicle Class, you are never ever going to get anywhere. It's no wonder AV vs Vehicles is honestly so ******. 1) All you really need to do is create a different variant for each vehicle, Dumb Fire, Assault, and Your Standard Swarm. 2) Balance accordingly to each vehicle, assault being the one for the Derpships, Dumbfire for Tanks, Your Vanilla for an in-between the two. 3) You'll never hear another complaint about Swarms Again. I believe Plasma Cannons and Forge Guns are in the Right place. (Finally) If it was not for "balancing" people would see the absolute lack of effort that goes into this game. Step 1. Always Be Balancing. That covers up the need to do any real work. Step 2. Blame the PS3 for all issues. Lack of memory what not and so forth. Step 3. Insert cash grabs and reference steps 1 and 2 as reasons people should spend lots of money. o7 All #514InTheWind !@#$!#@!$$@@#$@$!$ Snap out of the Stockholm Syndrome guys.
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2016.01.14 04:15:00 - [8] - Quote Seems like a good idea. Question is though, what exactly would be the main differences other than one is dumb fire? Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks. Dust really needs its high sec.
jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.01.14 08:12:00 - [9] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Seems like a good idea. Question is though, what exactly would be the main differences other than one is dumb fire? i imagine assaults are longer range lower dmg. dumfire are short range high dmg. i'm cool with this exept for 2 things.... 1) as long i um not totally defenceless if i bring the wrong kind. 2) dumbfire against ai was a problem in the past Less QQ more PewPew
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3	Posted - 2016.01.14 13:26:00 - [10] - Quote You can't balance AV for a few simple reasons 1) No-one can agree on the effort required to destroy a vehicle 2) No-one can agree on the impact a vehicle should have 3) No-one can agree on a tanks area of influence 4) We have only 3 vehicles, a Jeep which does bugger all, a tank, and a helicopter 5) We only have 3 AV weapons 6) As grenades and RE's haven't been considered when balancing. It won't happen, sorry pal. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3

FaustNeo Prima Gallicus 25	Posted - 2016.01.14 14:26:00 - [11] - Quote The best way to kill a proto tank is the jihad Lav, an old tactic who is effective and cheap as fack but u need to be sneaky. About the Ads, u can use the 3 Av in the game or u can just ram. Btw shooting down a Ads with Plc need more skill.
The KTM Duke Second-Nature 1	Posted - 2016.01.14 14:50:00 - [12] - Quote Everyone who say you cant kill a gv.0 its doing it wrong, AV/V is now more balanced than ever, ads need a buff or swarm need to be more difficult to use, increase its range but i would suggest to create a cone of fire of max 30 * as they are still turning buildings or crossing them, Jlav need to be removed as they are a broken mechanic I don't want to make you love me. I have a dream, PCs with Pubs framerate...uhm nevermind Ovolollo rules
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 176	Posted - 2016.01.14 18:49:00 - [13] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: I believe Plasma Cannons and Forge Guns are in the Right place. (Finally) I wouldn't mind a 5% boost to the speed of a PC round....
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:05:00 - [14] - Quote So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 216	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:09:00 - [15] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:09:00 - [16] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. I'm glad we agree "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:39:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. I'm glad we agree Not swarms but I wouldn't mind an real tandem charge RPG. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 218	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:49:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. I'm glad we agree Not swarms but I wouldn't mind an real tandem charge RPG. Well, the Amarr need an AV weapon don't they? Ex-news reporter for The Scope
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:51:00 - [19] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So if Swarms get a Dumb Fire version, can I have a lock on tracking version of the Plasma Cannon? No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. I'm glad we agree Not swarms but I wouldn't mind an real tandem charge RPG. Well, the Amarr need an AV weapon don't they? Nah RPG would be Minmatar all over. I could go for an Arc Cannon though. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 218	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:53:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: No. Swarms shouldn't get a dumb fire version in the first place. Period. I'm glad we agree Not swarms but I wouldn't mind an real tandem charge RPG. Well, the Amarr need an AV weapon don't they? Nah RPG would be Minmatar all over. I could go for an Arc Cannon though. My inner Khanid wants a Scrambler Lance Ex-news reporter for The Scope

xavier zor II 323	Posted - 2016.01.15 01:55:00 - [21] - Quote port, screw AV balance xavier zor's alt (biomassed) YouTube!
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2016.01.15 02:06:00 - [22] - Quote Males sense; just like other weapons, you only get a counter to one thing instead of everything in one magical weapon. Tanks don't get the rof of a large blaster when they mount a large rail; why not the same for swarms. I've even been arguing for rifles to be more desparate in their abilities to provide higher contrast in performance against different targets. Think about breach weapons can damage vehicles ever so slightly, tactical rifles do more damage to one defense than the pther compard to regular variants doing more balanced damage within their racial damage abilities. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.


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