DUST Search - Why dust isn't better.

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

Devadander wrote:

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If you look at eve, you will find tonnes more player content than official posts. Third party apps. Amazing videos. Corporate boasting. Recruitment. Years of fiction. Entire sites dedicated to eve. Enough spreadsheets to blanket a country.. A wiki...

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EVE established itself as a game worth playing. The Devs toiled away, building a game that drew players into a universe. Through their work, the playerbase grew, and from it, the above happened naturally.

Many games have the above (different extents, other variations):

Runescape? Tons of third party sites with traffic, some are havens to player ideas, others for the economy or tutorials.
Warcraft? Of course. A certain MMO is ailing, though. Wonder why?
Space engineers? Tons of mods, great videos, massive amounts of creativity, and it's an indie game. Its developers are active, too.
Castle Clash, Clash of Clans, and a myriad of other mobile games built up a community, too. With in depth wiki's and forums with people posting fan art, and YouTube channels for gameplay and discussion.
These games all do something DUST hasn't. And won't.

Fact is, a game must motivate players on a large scale to be imaginative. It must reach people. The game must importantly feel like it is being meaningfully updated by the developers. The developers must INSPIRE player confidence in the game. If a game meets the above criteria, player-made content will be made.

DUST has a stagnant community on a dead console. It has not been meaningfully updated in a long time. The developers choose silence about most things about the game. NONE of this inspires confidence in DUST. And yet, we have some decent "third-party" content.

Frankly, I'm surprised about that. DUST deserves a helluva lot worse.

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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 20:54:00 - [1] - Quote You. And I. All of us. If you look at eve, you will find tonnes more player content than official posts. Third party apps. Amazing videos. Corporate boasting. Recruitment. Years of fiction. Entire sites dedicated to eve. Enough spreadsheets to blanket a country.. A wiki... Made by the players, for the players. Eve offline was nice enough to include us. Profits is commendable, yet buggy. And we have some decent toobers. Biomassed gets a shout out. o7 (Even though imo, without Moody, there aren't enough review/guide style vids) Want quality of life to improve for our playerbase? Do something to improve it. Even if its just for your group, the effects will spread. Edit the wiki. Cobble up a chat app for trading with some form of rep tracking. I'm running three tabs on excel, have copies of Breakin and Godin's proposals open, a paper tablet with all the suggestions from my screenshots of thread, and a paper copy of current stats on all vehicle/av everything, all for vehicle balance in my spare time... Are you part of new Eden or just passing through? "We are the music makers; and we are the dreamers of dreams.." Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 3	Posted - 2016.01.07 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote You have a point. CEO of Federation Marines 62 Bravo Company!
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 574	Posted - 2016.01.07 20:59:00 - [3] - Quote I try! I might try a DS tut like what Judge did. Just.... Done again. Only if phone recording is cool w/ people. It's no potato lol Also.. Tried w/ my signature. Soooooon we'll have content! Someone might just be shy.... :D Potential Pilot Proposal? Yes!
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 21:06:00 - [4] - Quote I'm guilty too. I run a corp, but we never really do anything. Gonna have to schedule fw days, a raid or four, and maybe some weekend LAV races. Something. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
The Attorney General 3	Posted - 2016.01.07 22:54:00 - [5] - Quote It is a lobby shooter. If CCP wanted us to do more we should have had more tools to work with. No third party tool is going to fix bugs, or matchmaking, or poor map design. Maybe if CCP cared enough to announce that the game had some future, then the players could drum up some instance of caring. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:19:00 - [6] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: It is a lobby shooter. ~Eve is a clicky spreadsheet. If CCP wanted us to do more we should have had more tools to work with. ~We have the same tools eve has. No third party tool is going to fix bugs, or matchmaking, or poor map design. ~Keep dropping that old chestnut. Maybe if CCP cared enough to announce that the game had some future, then the players could drum up some instance of caring. ~Maybe if it looked like we cared about dust for more than complaining, then CCP could drum up a future. Perfect example right here. If you can't see why they post less and less everyday, there is no hope for you. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 604	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:22:00 - [7] - Quote I'd probably try my hand at making an app for this game if we had an accessible API for DUST in the meantime, Spreadsheets, Spreadsheets Everywhere Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. #PortDust514 ...Preferably to both PS4 and PC
Russel Moralles Klandatu 31	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:25:00 - [8] - Quote if you want you and i and everyone else to do something for dust then start with you. invite everyone in the forum community to work with you or your project for dust. make it a community project, involve everyone or try to. me i aint got none what so ever.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:27:00 - [9] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I'd probably try my hand at making an app for this game if we had an accessible API for DUST in the meantime, Spreadsheets, Spreadsheets Everywhere Was thinking along the lines of eve's standing system. Would show a mercs name, pic, and bars showing how many have listed them for each standing level. I've dabbled in phone dev, its not my cuppa... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:27:00 - [10] - Quote Devadander wrote: ... If you look at eve, you will find tonnes more player content than official posts. Third party apps. Amazing videos. Corporate boasting. Recruitment. Years of fiction. Entire sites dedicated to eve. Enough spreadsheets to blanket a country.. A wiki... ... EVE established itself as a game worth playing. The Devs toiled away, building a game that drew players into a universe. Through their work, the playerbase grew, and from it, the above happened naturally. Many games have the above (different extents, other variations): Runescape? Tons of third party sites with traffic, some are havens to player ideas, others for the economy or tutorials. Warcraft? Of course. A certain MMO is ailing, though. Wonder why? Space engineers? Tone of mods, great videosmassive amounts of creativity, and its an indie game. It's developers are active, too. Castle Clash, Clash of Clans, and a myriad of other mobile games built up a community, too. With in depth wiki's and forums with people posting fan art, and YouTube channels for gameplay and discussion. Fact is, a game must motivate players on a large scale to be imaginative. It must reach people. The game must importantly feel like it is being meaningfully updated by the developers. The developers must INSPIRE player confidence in the game. If a game meets the above criteria, player-made content will be made. DUST has a stagnant community on a dead console. It has not been meaningfully updated in a long time. The developers choose silence about most things about the game. NONE of this inspires confidence in DUST. And yet, we have some great "third-party" content. Frankly, I'm surprised about that. DUST deserves a helluva lot worse. Minotaur Necrophiliac I'll keep your corpse company! ( -í° -£-û -í°)

DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:28:00 - [11] - Quote You can roleplay all you want, poor programming will always be poor programming. It's a lobby shooter with very little player freedom or really even persistence outside of skills. There's nothing to really do with the community that hasn't already been done. It's cute to blame the player base but at the end of the day it was CCPs mismanagement of their project that has brought us to where we are. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:35:00 - [12] - Quote Russel Moralles wrote: ....me i aint got none what so ever. You lost me here, sorry. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:39:00 - [13] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: ... ..... DUST has a stagnant community... /Patrick Stewart grade facepalm Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:54:00 - [14] - Quote Devadander wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: ... ..... DUST has a stagnant community... /Patrick Stewart grade facepalm -----> Point -----> Your head Let me ask you this: How many new people are coming here? How many new faces do you see? Oh? What's that? Not too many? That's my meaning, and stagnation fits. No new water is coming to this puddle. But hey, facepalm all you want. I thought I'd try for some more meaningful discourse, but as is the usual case, no takers. I guess I'll go back to shltposting. Minotaur Necrophiliac I'll keep your corpse company! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.07 23:58:00 - [15] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: ... ..... DUST has a stagnant community... /Patrick Stewart grade facepalm -----> Point -----> Your head Let me ask you this: How many new people are coming here? How many new faces do you see? Oh? What's that? Not too many? That's my meaning, and stagnation fits. No new water is coming to this puddle. But hey, facepalm all you want. I thought I'd try for some more meaningful discourse, but as is the usual case, no takers. I guess I'll go back to shltposting. You're on my list of forumgoers that don't play. So no. No meaningful discourse nor discussion. My apologies. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.08 00:00:00 - [16] - Quote Devadander wrote: You're on my list of forumgoers that don't play. So no. No meaningful discourse nor discussion. My apologies. If you've played at any point in the past 2 years, you basically play consistently. Nothing major has really changed since then. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
The Attorney General 3	Posted - 2016.01.08 00:06:00 - [17] - Quote Devadander wrote: The Attorney General wrote: It is a lobby shooter. ~Eve is a clicky spreadsheet. If CCP wanted us to do more we should have had more tools to work with. ~We have the same tools eve has. No third party tool is going to fix bugs, or matchmaking, or poor map design. ~Keep dropping that old chestnut. Maybe if CCP cared enough to announce that the game had some future, then the players could drum up some instance of caring. ~Maybe if it looked like we cared about dust for more than complaining, then CCP could drum up a future. Perfect example right here. If you can't see why they post less and less everyday, there is no hope for you. This is all tards logic. 1. Eve is an actual mmo. Comparing a b tier lobby shooter to eve is horrible comparison. 2. We have the same tools as eve players? Well let me setup an api to check my markets and keep me notified of my pos fuel needs and blueprint production runs. Oh wait....... Just because we can use the api doesn't mean we can do anything constructive with it. 3. This is the difference between us. You see me pointing out the game still has massive flaws as a tired old argument. Except it is still valid, 2.5 years after launch. You want the devs to see we care, the shoddy state of the game shows how little they care. 4. People complain because they care. If they didn't, they would just uninstall and walk away. BTW, I couldn't give a rats backside about devs posting. I might care about the work they do, but they do so little its hard to be excited about a game that is slowly starving itself out. The players are not the problem. Well, aside from the fanbois who do nothing but help the devs think they are doing good work. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2016.01.08 00:10:00 - [18] - Quote Devadander wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: ... ..... DUST has a stagnant community... /Patrick Stewart grade facepalm -----> Point -----> Your head Let me ask you this: How many new people are coming here? How many new faces do you see? Oh? What's that? Not too many? That's my meaning, and stagnation fits. No new water is coming to this puddle. But hey, facepalm all you want. I thought I'd try for some more meaningful discourse, but as is the usual case, no takers. I guess I'll go back to shltposting. You're on my list of forumgoers that don't play. So no. No meaningful discourse nor discussion. My apologies. The game is still the same now as when I stopped playing. Dev silence still reigns supreme. My PS3 is still plugged in, with DUST still ready to go. I still want to play. I'd love to play. But... DUST still is not worth playing in its current state. When 1.3 drops, I'll see if that'll still be the case. In the meantime, I'll still be around hoping for meaningful discourse, and you, well... won't. Minotaur Necrophiliac I'll keep your corpse company! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2016.01.08 00:57:00 - [19] - Quote Wise Old Minotaur wrote: The game is still the same now as when I stopped playing. Dev silence still reigns supreme. My PS3 is still plugged in, with DUST still ready to go. I still want to play. I'd love to play. But... DUST still is not worth playing in its current state. When 1.3 drops, I'll see if that'll still be the case. In the meantime, I'll still be around hoping for meaningful discourse, and you, well... won't. Read signature. My Rattati, my Ratatti, why have you abandoned me?
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.01.08 01:17:00 - [20] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Devadander wrote: ... If you look at eve, you will find tonnes more player content than official posts. Third party apps. Amazing videos. Corporate boasting. Recruitment. Years of fiction. Entire sites dedicated to eve. Enough spreadsheets to blanket a country.. A wiki... ... EVE established itself as a game worth playing. The Devs toiled away, building a game that drew players into a universe. Through their work, the playerbase grew, and from it, the above happened naturally. Many games have the above (different extents, other variations): Runescape? Tons of third party sites with traffic, some are havens to player ideas, others for the economy or tutorials. Warcraft? Of course. A certain MMO is ailing, though. Wonder why? Space engineers? Tons of mods, great videos, massive amounts of creativity, and it's an indie game. Its developers are active, too. Castle Clash, Clash of Clans, and a myriad of other mobile games built up a community, too. With in depth wiki's and forums with people posting fan art, and YouTube channels for gameplay and discussion. These games all do something DUST hasn't. And won't. Fact is, a game must motivate players on a large scale to be imaginative. It must reach people. The game must importantly feel like it is being meaningfully updated by the developers. The developers must INSPIRE player confidence in the game. If a game meets the above criteria, player-made content will be made. DUST has a stagnant community on a dead console. It has not been meaningfully updated in a long time. The developers choose silence about most things about the game. NONE of this inspires confidence in DUST. And yet, we have some decent "third-party" content. Frankly, I'm surprised about that. DUST deserves a helluva lot worse. Dude, did you see EVE at its inception? The talks that once floated around that EVE is dead and then its resurgence? The road wasn't an easily traveled one. Saying what's on people's minds

Sbundo'D Dead Meta Game 220	Posted - 2016.01.08 01:37:00 - [21] - Quote I am stuck in the middle here.. not sure what to think.. you make good points I agree... But (TheD1CK is never far from a butt) I can't help be relate more to what Attorney is replying. We have been given the basics for a lobby shooter, with a really, really awesome Clan battle feature (PC) 100's of players have put their time into that, to allow 1000's more to take part... Yet CCP allowed it to stagnate, allowed a minority to gain a severe advantage and did nothing until it was too late Even now, they have made good changes, but not soon enough and nowhere near consistent enough. More Third party apps will do very little to help us, when the Devs seem to ignore so many issues the game has. I am still salty, from when they re-released BPOs, monetized the game more with APEX, SKINS, Warbarge, Boosters.. And like a sucker I spent hundreds more on the game expecting development to increase.... It did not Not all of us are capable of developing third party features for the game.. Even then.. Why would we ?? Look at EVE, an awesome Christmas DEVBLOG, detailing some of the years work thanking the players along with a personal note from several of the Devs involved.. we get Archie holding things together and Rat-man making it clear he's sick of us before going AWOL.. sure we complain.. but there are so many reasons to, I do not accept them expecting otherwise. (they should really note the large majority of their supporters DO NOT even play) What did Dust get ?? Half my Corp stopped playing as they cannot go one battle without a disconnect... And still no interaction from CCP. No explanation, and most importantly no direction. I gathered randoms and tried to instruct them on game mechanics for my first year here while awaiting expansion to the game, which died in 2014, from there I made use of what we had and pushed into PC with players who never had the opportunity, providing content for them, and for those we fought/supported. Many players have done their part. Watching each CPM term be as effective as a third nipple for the players they represent, while CCP seem to ignore issues and the forums be so toxic that many will not even login to say their part.. and people wonder why I sh!tpost... Any that know me in-game, know my actual personality is a lot friendlier than how I may seem as a poster.. But from the Forum community and CCP I have no reason to share that here. *Don't get me started lol
The Attorney General 3	Posted - 2016.01.08 02:29:00 - [22] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, did you see EVE at its inception? The talks that once floated around that EVE is dead and then its resurgence? The road wasn't an easily traveled one. Eve, at its inception was a unique property. Dust isn't. The only unique feature was the potential to be on the ground for eve, and it was never iterated on beyond just dropping ob's. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2016.01.08 02:54:00 - [23] - Quote To me it just seems like this was an experiment that was doomed from the beginning and whatever CCP gained out of this was strictly for financial purposes which was close to none obviously in their books . There was really zero ties to EVE besides the name over Dust 514 and having a section at EVEFEST that was suppose to be Dust related but talk nothing about how to help both games become more interactive . I just feel at this point that it was an attempt to disrespect the console gamer and see how much money that they could squeeze from them before they catch on . Most PC gamers have zero respect for console gamers even though it's the console that has helped the PC gaming market produce and be as prosperous as it is today . I just can't forget the summery that was made by the guy who went to FF14 or 13 I can't remember and how he mentioned that he didn't even want to admit that he played Dust because of the sheer and utter disrespect that he felt and how he simply didn't want to be ridiculed and this man took time off from work and had his family with him , which shows how much of a fan he was but that also shows some of the problems that occur in the gaming industry and some of the hurdles that CCP could have overcome if they just would have took this chance to heart . A new market with a whole new base of consumers to spread the brand and name . Doing something that most companies could care less to do and that's bringing PC and console together under one umbrella . Being pioneers in so many fields that divide the gaming market as a whole but now it seems their concern is geared towards VR but they will have their work cut out for them when others begin to dip into that field but with Dust 514 they had something that many care not to do and that's consolidate the field and take charge in bringing both together for their own benefit but I guess that was too much weight for them to handle and they just folded under pressure . I've herd EVE called their one trick pony but if they would have just followed through with Dust 514 , that would have erased that stigma . I agree with AG and Vic Min on this one and people sure as ish just don't like or can handle the truth . I have to fault the community to a extent too with the constant pressure to port a game that has a ish ton of problems to a current gen which would have driven their name into the dirt more then it is from their mismanagement and mishandling of Dust 514 on the PS3 but somehow people and their ME attitude just wanted to believe that a port would be a solution to the problem of the sometimes unplayable nature of the game with the glitches , framerate drops , freezes , blue screens , bugs and other issue that this game has , I can see why CCP has gone into silent mode but I bet none of you can understand that . Asking for BS items to be implemented instead of trying to fix what could be fixed , no matchmaking well , lets just kill ready made squads from all pub matches and allow them to be highlighted in the FW and PC arena like it should , you have a serious problem retaining players in a bug filled game , now ... it might take some work fixing the bug issue but we could do a hell of a lot more to help NPE ( besides babying them and gimmicks ) and allow these same to not have their experience started out by being stomped during there first attempt in playing the game by players who have a GREAT advantage over them but no , these same would fight tooth and nail against that and at the same time complain about playing against the same people and doing something to promote the NPE . Basically had a spaz attack from the rework of the warbarge , something the was really needed because it game a select few a far greater advantage over those not willing to spend a couple of hundred to max theirs out , hell ... there were people complaining about maxing their warbarge out and not having the rest of the nodes filled out , my question would have been , " You didn't know what you were doing when you did it ? " , it's just foolish the things that some do just to have / keep an advantage in this game . I fault CCP because it seems like they were trying to exploit the console market and crap on console players like most in the PC world do and the community in just the childish attitude in handling the game . If we as a community was together in making this game better and leaving out the B.S. then maybe CCP would have taken us seriously and got their act together . I just believe it goes both ways . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.08 02:55:00 - [24] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, did you see EVE at its inception? The talks that once floated around that EVE is dead and then its resurgence? The road wasn't an easily traveled one. Eve, at its inception was a unique property. Dust isn't. The only unique feature was the potential to be on the ground for eve, and it was never iterated on beyond just dropping ob's. Just about to say that. Also back then EVE had virtually no competition. Everywhere you look now there are FPS games coming out that push the boundaries. I don't think anyone is saying DUST is a bad idea, clearly it's good or us bitter ass vets wouldn't be here chastizing the game for how far short its fallen of its vision. As far as anyone can tell, CCP has given up on this game (as far as anything meaningful goes). If CCP has given up on their own product, what sane reason is there for us to try and carry it? If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.08 04:54:00 - [25] - Quote Frame confirmed 1.3. I know that isn't ** ATM, especially with the new silence policy. ..dropping some previews of what 1.3 contains might even quell the masses a tad. But let's be serious. CCP could ** out a 24k golden turd and mail each of us one, and 75% of you would file a ticket to complain about it being turd shaped. The forums have become my little psychology project. I think I'm the only person who claimed just 25 frames that day. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.08 07:36:00 - [26] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: You have a point. No he doesn't. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.01.08 16:10:00 - [27] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, did you see EVE at its inception? The talks that once floated around that EVE is dead and then its resurgence? The road wasn't an easily traveled one. Eve, at its inception was a unique property. Dust isn't. The only unique feature was the potential to be on the ground for eve, and it was never iterated on beyond just dropping ob's. Not here to derail the thread, so this is my last response to this. EVE at the beginning wasn't pretty at all. It was really, really basic and the graphics were...poor. I think it ran as a windowed game. You had no avatar. No fancy space graphics. It was all the numbers, hence its "spreadsheets in space" title. I'm not romanticising it like you and Dust Fiend are. EVE didn't offer much in the beginning. Then there was a time where EVE looked to be on the verge of collapsing. Where subs were less than desirable. This dry spell was finally pulled through as EVE started to get in stride and its resurgence began. Many, many changes happened for EVE to be where it is now. It has come a long way. So get on board with the OP or just ignore thread. It took a battle to get EVE here and it will for Dust. If fans want to support and help the dev, then kudos/cheers to them. The world hasn't exploded yet so until then, Dust has the potential to be a unique experience better realized. Things work out, you'll be playing. Support or abort. Saying what's on people's minds
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.08 16:16:00 - [28] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: I'm not romanticising it like you and Dust Fiend are Admitting that the game had virtually no competition at or for some time after = romanticizing? Fascinating, please, go on. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2016.01.08 18:55:00 - [29] - Quote I'm just here to remind you that Dust is a buggy game, and that tends to drive players away. If you tack on that this game runs on an economy, well.. Seriously how many times should a player lose a $125,000 dollar suit or million dollar tanks to glitches and bugs before this game gets to be too much to deal with? How many outnumbered fights should a player sit through before they've had enough? I respect the good fight your fighting but with the state of the game 3 years later, I cannot find reasons that would have new players flock to this game. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Y0UR NAME HERE Nyain San 696	Posted - 2016.01.08 19:15:00 - [30] - Quote I remember when my bro and I started in closed beta..we had such fun and hope for this game..now he gets on when he's high/drunk and I could really care less about this game



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