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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2015.12.06 20:49:00 -
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I just played a Skirm match that for me was possibly the best match I've played to date. We won, and I managed to score 1353 WP, 9084 SP and my share in the pot was 259,250 ISK. My k/a/d was 9/1/2 and I was second on the killboard, to someone with 1417 WP and 15/4 k/d. I played the whole game as a fast scout, hacking objectives, and surprise killing. Yes, I felt dirty. :)
So much for the good stuff. The disturbing part was that when I finally died one of my two deaths, I noticed that I was fighting for the Federal Marines against the State Peacekeepers. For all intents and purposes, I was in a FW match, fighting for the wrong side. I wondered if somehow I had managed to select a FW match rather than pubs, and ended up on the wrong side of the match! I debated leaving the match as I was clearly on the wrong side, if in fact this was a FW match. It had all the hallmarks - my side (Gallente) was stomping the other (Caldari), which is what's happening at the moment, due to all the turncoats (me?), and it was clear that there was significantly less experience in the other side. But I didn't want to give up on what for me was such a good match, so I played to the end, hoping my Caldari standing wouldn't take too much of a hit.
Imagine my surprise and relief then, to discover at the end of the match that it was just a normal pub - no faction standings change, no Gallente LP, just the normal pubs payout. But then I got to thinking. (Never a good thing with me... :) )
What if this was another of CCP's ways of filling matches? Let me be frank. I do not trust CCP. They do what they like, and it's always to suit either themselves financially, or someone in either CCP or CPM that wants it that way. The naive concept some people have that all games are fair goes out the window in an environment where lobby groups and politics are allowed to influence the nature of the game.
So, could this be CCP simply stacking the deck? Putting pubs players into FW games to pad them wouldn't be out of character. I've been told previously that when you choose to fight CFW you fight CFW. But we only know that because the game tells us we do. Why would two FW factions be fighting pubs matches?
Don't misunderstand me - I got a real thrill out of my high scores in this match and I would certainly be happy for them to continue, but I get suspicious when I see that I'm apparently fighting for the other (winning) team. It was clear why we were winning - the other side was pretty ineffectual. But why was I even on the winning side in the first place?
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Daemonn Adima
CASSETTE 514
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Posted - 2015.12.06 20:53:00 -
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Isn't it possible fight for and against those factions because they hold territory all over? Because you get contracted for random corps, couldn't it also contract you to any of the faction forces? I've definitely seen all 4 factions in pub play as the contract issuing corporations. |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2015.12.06 20:56:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Isn't it possible fight for and against those factions because they hold territory all over? Because you get contracted for random corps, couldn't it also contract you to any of the faction forces? I've definitely seen all 4 factions in pub play as the contract issuing corporations. You have? I didn't think the FW factions fought pubs contracts. Especially not against each other!
I suppose it is possible, but I would think highly irregular. And just how do we actually know that we're not influencing FW by playing a pubs match for one of them? Because the game doesn't tell us we are? The game can tell us anything and we wouldn't know otherwise. But it's certainly a possibility that these are FW matches which pubs players are being inserted into to pad them. |
Russel Mendoza
Klandatu
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Posted - 2015.12.07 01:19:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:I just played a Skirm match that for me was possibly the best match I've played to date. We won, and I managed to score 1353 WP, 9084 SP and my share in the pot was 259,250 ISK. My k/a/d was 9/1/2 and I was second on the killboard, to someone with 1417 WP and 15/4 k/d. I played the whole game as a fast scout, hacking objectives, and surprise killing. Yes, I felt dirty. :)
So much for the good stuff. The disturbing part was that when I finally died one of my two deaths, I noticed that I was fighting for the Federal Marines against the State Peacekeepers. For all intents and purposes, I was in a FW match, fighting for the wrong side. I wondered if somehow I had managed to select a FW match rather than pubs, and ended up on the wrong side of the match! I debated leaving the match as I was clearly on the wrong side, if in fact this was a FW match. It had all the hallmarks - my side (Gallente) was stomping the other (Caldari), which is what's happening at the moment, due to all the turncoats (me?), and it was clear that there was significantly less experience in the other side. But I didn't want to give up on what for me was such a good match, so I played to the end, hoping my Caldari standing wouldn't take too much of a hit.
Imagine my surprise and relief then, to discover at the end of the match that it was just a normal pub - no faction standings change, no Gallente LP, just the normal pubs payout. But then I got to thinking. (Never a good thing with me... :) )
What if this was another of CCP's ways of filling matches? Let me be frank. The naive concept some people have that all games are fair goes out the window in an environment where lobby groups and politics are allowed to influence the nature of the game.
So, could this be CCP simply stacking the deck? Putting pubs players into FW games to pad them wouldn't be out of character. I've been told previously that when you choose to fight CFW you fight CFW. But we only know that because the game tells us we do. Why would two FW factions be fighting pubs matches?
Don't misunderstand me - I got a real thrill out of my high scores in this match and I would certainly be happy for them to continue, but I get suspicious when I see that I'm apparently fighting for the other (winning) team. It was clear why we were winning - the other side was pretty ineffectual. But why was I even on the winning side in the first place?
Any ideas?
I get this kind of matches 2 to 3 hours befire downtime. I did not put too much into it because I know it was a pub match.
Is it really that surprising to see factions in pubs. Just asking.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:02:00 -
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Russel Mendoza wrote: I get this kind of matches 2 to 3 hours befire downtime. I did not put too much into it because I know it was a pub match.
Is it really that surprising to see factions in pubs. Just asking.
Yes, it's surprising to me. FW is about fighting between the races of EvE, and it's always conducted by the "Militia" of those races. For the purposes, the militia of Caldari is the State Peacekeepers and for the Gallente is Federal Marines. So when I see those two fighting each other, to me that's definitely FW.
Since I'm yet to see any definitive rebuttal of the idea that the matches are being padded by players from other battle types, I still see it as quite suspicious. I would never know for instance whether that battle was actually a FW match that I was added to as "padding".
As for seeing these matches 2 to 3 hours before dt, I've noted that's when the least players are on, meaning they have to try to put together matches from a dwindling pool of players. Given there are LESS players and therefore less matches, you would think they wouldn't need to use these two FW factions as the corporations issuing public contracts. Rather, they would have an incentive to pad FW matches with players from pubs to give FW matches enough players.
When I first suggested that this might be occurring, I was told that when you select to play only CFW, you only play CFW. What I still haven't been able to determine is if there are players on BOTH SIDES that think they are playing CFW because the server tells them they are. It would be a simple extension of this argument that players in pubs could be put into FW matches thinking they are taking pubs contracts. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:14:00 -
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While that is certainly an odd occurrence, I am fairly certain it could not be a "Match Filler" scenario. Friendly fire is not active in Pubs whereas it is in FW. The two could not fill each other out without some serious shenanigans in the coding. Likely just a glitch in displaying the info. It happens a fair bit in a different way, I'm sure you've had the glitch where it says you are fighting for the wrong side in FW.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:15:00 -
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Federal Marines vs. CalFacWar was actually in the original pub rotation before faction warfare was implemented.
When CCP added faction warfare they did not actually remove the names and insignia from the pub rotation.
Hence you can wind up running state peacekeepers along with federal marines (each faction has a default opponent) in a pub match without invoking any of the faction warfare rules or districts.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:20:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Federal Marines vs. CalFacWar was actually in the original pub rotation before faction warfare was implemented.
When CCP added faction warfare they did not actually remove the names and insignia from the pub rotation.
Hence you can wind up running state peacekeepers along with federal marines (each faction has a default opponent) in a pub match without invoking any of the faction warfare rules or districts. I remember thisGǪ there was a note about it in the Dev Blog when the Loyalty Store came into play.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2015.12.07 12:48:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:While that is certainly an odd occurrence, I am fairly certain it could not be a "Match Filler" scenario. Friendly fire is not active in Pubs whereas it is in FW. The two could not fill each other out without some serious shenanigans in the coding. Likely just a glitch in displaying the info. It happens a fair bit in a different way, I'm sure you've had the glitch where it says you are fighting for the wrong side in FW. Friendly fire! Of course, that makes it impossible. I didn't think of that! So I'm not fighting for the opposition, then. Good to know. Thanks! :) |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2015.12.07 12:49:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Federal Marines vs. CalFacWar was actually in the original pub rotation before faction warfare was implemented.
When CCP added faction warfare they did not actually remove the names and insignia from the pub rotation.
Hence you can wind up running state peacekeepers along with federal marines (each faction has a default opponent) in a pub match without invoking any of the faction warfare rules or districts. Thanks for that Breakin. Yes, that answers all the questions quite nicely.... :) |
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.07 17:42:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:I just played a Skirm match that for me was possibly the best match I've played to date. We won, and I managed to score 1353 WP, 9084 SP and my share in the pot was 259,250 ISK. My k/a/d was 9/1/2 and I was second on the killboard, to someone with 1417 WP and 15/4 k/d. I played the whole game as a fast scout, hacking objectives, and surprise killing. Yes, I felt dirty. :)
So much for the good stuff. The disturbing part was that when I finally died one of my two deaths, I noticed that I was fighting for the Federal Marines against the State Peacekeepers. For all intents and purposes, I was in a FW match, fighting for the wrong side. I wondered if somehow I had managed to select a FW match rather than pubs, and ended up on the wrong side of the match! I debated leaving the match as I was clearly on the wrong side, if in fact this was a FW match. It had all the hallmarks - my side (Gallente) was stomping the other (Caldari), which is what's happening at the moment, due to all the turncoats (me?), and it was clear that there was significantly less experience in the other side. But I didn't want to give up on what for me was such a good match, so I played to the end, hoping my Caldari standing wouldn't take too much of a hit.
Imagine my surprise and relief then, to discover at the end of the match that it was just a normal pub - no faction standings change, no Gallente LP, just the normal pubs payout. But then I got to thinking. (Never a good thing with me... :) )
What if this was another of CCP's ways of filling matches? Let me be frank. The naive concept some people have that all games are fair goes out the window in an environment where lobby groups and politics are allowed to influence the nature of the game.
So, could this be CCP simply stacking the deck? Putting pubs players into FW games to pad them wouldn't be out of character. I've been told previously that when you choose to fight CFW you fight CFW. But we only know that because the game tells us we do. Why would two FW factions be fighting pubs matches?
Don't misunderstand me - I got a real thrill out of my high scores in this match and I would certainly be happy for them to continue, but I get suspicious when I see that I'm apparently fighting for the other (winning) team. It was clear why we were winning - the other side was pretty ineffectual. But why was I even on the winning side in the first place?
Any ideas?
This one has tricked me before as well. The faction corps double as NPC corps tho it is very rare you get a match such as this where the corp names end up looking like you are in FW. Pub contracts do not affect FW holdings. If you are lucky enough to get another one like this remember the district and take a look on the star map under FW and you will see the district you were fighting on is inactive.
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.12.07 18:32:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:When in doubt shoot a blue berry.
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