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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.11.25 02:53:00 -
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I am currently trying to decide how to do the unit conversion of sugar to Gigabytes...did you have a specific type of sugar you where inquiring about? Also, physical or logical gigabytes?
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.11.25 03:01:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:I am currently trying to decide how to do the unit conversion of sugar to Gigabytes...did you have a specific type of sugar you where inquiring about? Also, physical or logical gigabytes? http://www.chemicalformula.org/sugarC6H12O6 + C6H12O6 => C12H22O11 + H2O (can't use subscript here) Use the chemical formula of sugar. Encode it to text then get the file size. That size = 1 unit of sugar. Then divide the gigabytes by that size.
Well...table sugar (Sucrose)...vs glucose (which is also sugar) and fructose (also a sugar) xD
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.11.26 23:01:00 -
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Also, am I allowed to Transmute the Sugar into something else, as long as we start with sugar as the base material (and account for the energy required for the transmutation?) Because sugars, all forms, have the basic elements necessary to make rocket fuel, but aren't nearly dense enough...transmuting it into LOx, LH2 and Kerosene would actually make a chemical rocket possible, otherwise we start having to get into equations for making a space elevator to get the sugar into space first, where it could then be used as an effective booster (if launched from a terminus station tethered to the Earth via the elevator traveling at escape velocity...giving it a "free push" to help it). The disadvantage to Transmutation is that we end up with a lot of Carbon left over...
I've got a couple of ideas on how to convert the end result into Gigabytes, as storing data does have energy cost associated with it, we could figure out the potential data stored within all the sugar at the end of all energy calculations necessary
For the sake of my sanity on a quick level instruction to give you the scale of sugar we would need to work with...assuming we store it in some other form (such as the ones I asked about above), we need a density of about 61 MJ/kg to reach a zero point, where the forces of gravity cancel each other out. Note: this point does not actually exist, this is a gross oversimplification of orbital mechanics for the sake of my sanity, and also because I do not have access to a supercomputer nor 7 months time to do the actual calculations for trans-lunar injection.) So to launch 1 Kg of weight to the moon in this magical 2 dimensional world with a static earth and moon, it would take the energy stored in about 3.6 Kg of sugar (also assuming you could gather all of the energy from that sugar). As for what that means, if we look at the LADEE mission, it was a 383kg probe launched on a Minotaurr V rocket (with a mass of 89,373 kg) for a total mass (before fuel) of 89,756 kg, and launched it with energy stored in sugar...we would need to use about 323,122 kg of sugar...for reference that's 1,615,610 cups of sugar...or 712362.071 lbs of sugar...and that's assuming you could use that energy without your storage medium having mass...so it would be significantly higher (since you've got to move fuel with your spacecraft to keep the engines working)...additionally, this only gets your payload going to the right place...it would be crashing into the moon (and probably be destroyed)
So long story short, directly getting to The Moon from The Earth's surface with sugar from a chemical rocket is impossible as long as the sugar stays as sugar...
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
#PortDust514 ...Preferably to both PS4 and PC
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.11.27 02:09:00 -
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Union118 wrote:Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Also, am I allowed to Transmute the Sugar into something else, as long as we start with sugar as the base material (and account for the energy required for the transmutation?) Because sugars, all forms, have the basic elements necessary to make rocket fuel, but aren't nearly dense enough...transmuting it into LOx, LH2 and Kerosene would actually make a chemical rocket possible, otherwise we start having to get into equations for making a space elevator to get the sugar into space first, where it could then be used as an effective booster (if launched from a terminus station tethered to the Earth via the elevator traveling at escape velocity...giving it a "free push" to help it). The disadvantage to Transmutation is that we end up with a lot of Carbon left over...
I've got a couple of ideas on how to convert the end result into Gigabytes, as storing data does have energy cost associated with it, we could figure out the potential data stored within all the sugar at the end of all energy calculations necessary
For the sake of my sanity on a quick level instruction to give you the scale of sugar we would need to work with...assuming we store it in some other form (such as the ones I asked about above), we need a density of about 61 MJ/kg to reach a zero point, where the forces of gravity cancel each other out. Note: this point does not actually exist, this is a gross oversimplification of orbital mechanics for the sake of my sanity, and also because I do not have access to a supercomputer nor 7 months time to do the actual calculations for trans-lunar injection.) So to launch 1 Kg of weight to the moon in this magical 2 dimensional world with a static earth and moon, it would take the energy stored in about 3.6 Kg of sugar (also assuming you could gather all of the energy from that sugar). As for what that means, if we look at the LADEE mission, it was a 383kg probe launched on a Minotaurr V rocket (with a mass of 89,373 kg) for a total mass (before fuel) of 89,756 kg, and launched it with energy stored in sugar...we would need to use about 323,122 kg of sugar...for reference that's 1,615,610 cups of sugar...or 712362.071 lbs of sugar...and that's assuming you could use that energy without your storage medium having mass...so it would be significantly higher (since you've got to move fuel with your spacecraft to keep the engines working)...additionally, this only gets your payload going to the right place...it would be crashing into the moon (and probably be destroyed)
So long story short, directly getting to The Moon from The Earth's surface with sugar from a chemical rocket is impossible as long as the sugar stays as sugar... Lets me break it down for you. First figure out the average distance the moon is from the earth. Then figure out how big one piece of sugar is. Then you figure out how man of thoes one pieces of sugar stacked on eachother will it take to reach the moon. Then figure out how much sugar fits in one cup taking the total number of pieces of sugar used to reach the moon. Then just tell me how many cups it takes to get to the moon.
damn...but energy and rockets xD
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