DUST Search - Gallente Logistics, Scanners, and Warpoints.

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Anyone buying into adding further points to scanners in their current state needs their head examined. You already get to win entire matches for your team by basically giving your team COD UAV scans all match long. If you want to keep scanners how they are (completely broken from a gameplay balance standpoint), then either ditch the excess scanners and make WP the way EVERY OTHER LOGI IN THE GAME DOES or keep running your full load of scanners and try to use them to find yourself something to shoot at.

If you want more WP for using them, push to have them fixed first by limiting them to 1 per suit. Then we can talk rewards. As it is, you're just saying 'can I has unlimited WP for OB's plz?'

TL;DR: N f'ing O

An Amarr logi can farm wp with only links.

A minmatar logi can farm wp with only rep tool

A Caldari can with needle and hives.

A gallogi CANNOT FARM WOTH ONLY SCANS.

I've done it and it's not pleasant. As many scans as you get, there is not enough wp. Max I have managed to get on a winning match was barely 400, only from Intel assists, payout? 100k, sp? 4K. Not pleasant stats.

A Gallente logi has the benifit of a tactical advantage over pretty much any suit fielded. You may not be able to farm WP as effectively as other logis, but you CAN farm WP as easily as the people you're scanning for: by killing the people you scan. And like I said, if you want additional bonuses to the scanner you kinda need to unbreak the thing first. Buffing an item that already dominates battles by seeing everything around it isn't going to improve anything, especially when it just means more OBs for the guys who can already see everything.

tritan abbattere wrote:

I think If we give Risk To the player Scanning this would be doable. If the Person doing the Scans Is revealed To the enemy team every time He does a Scan this would not be a Bad thing. It is an active scan after all. Snipers could pick him off or a scout could move in and go for the kill.

But I really do agree we need to reward gal logi for doing there job in battle.

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Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.22 16:24:00 - [1] - Quote I am a Gallente loyalist. Obviously. I almost have all gk.0, just trying to skill galsent from 4 to 5. My least Favorite Gallente suit is the logi for one reason. IT GETS NO REWARD! The Gallente Logi is a great suit. With one in the field, you can scan the enemy so many times they won't attack and you will virtually win ANY MATCH! (I've done this) The problem with the Gallente logi is that it gets little to no warpoints for its contribution to the team. A dedicated scanner logi barely gets any warpoints for it to be worth even running. Currently, you can only get warpoints through Intel kill assists, 15 wp per assist. This, unfortunately, is not enough to reward the logi. Most scanned enemies stay alive. I propose a new way to get warpoints for scanning logis. For every scanned enemy, the player gets 15wp. If a scanner scans 8 players, the user gets 120 wp (15 each enemy). This will increase scanning reward. This is a big buff to Gallente logis. Now, they can get more war pound, which leads to higher payouts, which leads to more scanning. Any thoughts? CEO of T-W-L Gallente Loyalist GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 533	Posted - 2015.11.22 17:57:00 - [2] - Quote InB4 scanner OP if scanners change to a matter of chance, ... Maybe I could see that Forever ADS. Best role.
CallMeNoName Intara Direct Action Caldari State 117	Posted - 2015.11.22 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I am a Gallente loyalist. Obviously. I almost have all gk.0, just trying to skill galsent from 4 to 5. My least Favorite Gallente suit is the logi for one reason. IT GETS NO REWARD! The Gallente Logi is a great suit. With one in the field, you can scan the enemy so many times they won't attack and you will virtually win ANY MATCH! (I've done this) The problem with the Gallente logi is that it gets little to no warpoints for its contribution to the team. A dedicated scanner logi barely gets any warpoints for it to be worth even running. Currently, you can only get warpoints through Intel kill assists, 15 wp per assist. This, unfortunately, is not enough to reward the logi. Most scanned enemies stay alive. I propose a new way to get warpoints for scanning logis. For every scanned enemy, the player gets 15wp. If a scanner scans 8 players, the user gets 120 wp (15 each enemy). This will increase scanning reward. This is a big buff to Gallente logis. Now, they can get more war pound, which leads to higher payouts, which leads to more scanning. Any thoughts? Nah, near permanent wall-hacks for the whole team (Double Pros) is enough of a reward. Core Nades can't melt Amarr Sentinels.
korrah silain True Illuminate 171	Posted - 2015.11.22 21:06:00 - [4] - Quote Lol yeah, OK so...right now scanners are op as it is, but just rewarding a flat 15 for scanning will lead to farms with the op equipment choice of the moment. On top of that it makes the gallente logi no better (from a wp perspective) at gaining wp. I think that it should simply not apply to squads exclusively. Let the scanners vet a 5 pt assist on non squadmates...but give the scanner a drawback first. It's op as hell... you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.22 21:18:00 - [5] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Lol yeah, OK so...right now scanners are op as it is, but just rewarding a flat 15 for scanning will lead to farms with the op equipment choice of the moment. On top of that it makes the gallente logi no better (from a wp perspective) at gaining wp. I think that it should simply not apply to squads exclusively. Let the scanners vet a 5 pt assist on non squadmates...but give the scanner a drawback first. It's op as hell... All in for that. Scans for self and squads. 30 for scanning them 15 for Intel assist of squadmate. CEO of T-W-L Gallente Loyalist GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.11.22 21:57:00 - [6] - Quote 15wps may be a bit too high just for gettign a positive scan but 5-10wps per enemy highlighted and i don't think it'd get farmed too much. i always thought the scanner bonus needed tweaking. perhaps a bonus per level to the arc of the scan as well as the precision. Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
korrah silain True Illuminate 172	Posted - 2015.11.22 22:41:00 - [7] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: 15wps may be a bit too high just for gettign a positive scan but 5-10wps per enemy highlighted and i don't think it'd get farmed too much. i always thought the scanner bonus needed tweaking. perhaps a bonus per level to the arc of the scan as well as the precision. Then you are wrong. They will be farmed because its too easy to sit in the back saith to the scanner for a second get +50 wp, switch to weapon, or another scanner, rinse repeat. Also, proposing an arc bonus is ludicrous. The scanners are already op as hell and you are proposing to make them better. Wtf!? you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.11.23 02:56:00 - [8] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Lol yeah, OK so...right now scanners are op as it is, but just rewarding a flat 15 for scanning will lead to farms with the op equipment choice of the moment. On top of that it makes the gallente logi no better (from a wp perspective) at gaining wp. I think that it should simply not apply to squads exclusively. Let the scanners vet a 5 pt assist on non squadmates...but give the scanner a drawback first. It's op as hell... >45 second recharge isn't a drawback Lol wut? Alot changes in 45 seconds,so much so that the previous scan becomes worthless. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Tread Loudly 2 CASSETTE 514 188	Posted - 2015.11.23 04:51:00 - [9] - Quote 5 points for each enemy scanned seems reasonable but definitely not 15 or just buff intel kill assist to 30 points instead of 15 We're coming for you. You know who you are. And you know you have no chance.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.11.23 06:19:00 - [10] - Quote Anyone buying into adding further points to scanners in their current state needs their head examined. You already get to win entire matches for your team by basically giving your team COD UAV scans all match long. If you want to keep scanners how they are (completely broken from a gameplay balance standpoint), then either ditch the excess scanners and make WP the way EVERY OTHER LOGI IN THE GAME DOES or keep running your full load of scanners and try to use them to find yourself something to shoot at. If you want more WP for using them, push to have them fixed first by limiting them to 1 per suit. Then we can talk rewards. As it is, you're just saying 'can I has unlimited WP for OB's plz?' TL;DR: N f'ing O añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù

tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 64	Posted - 2015.11.23 08:07:00 - [11] - Quote I think If we give Risk To the player Scanning this would be doable. If the Person doing the Scans Is relieved To the enemy team every time He does a Scan this would not be a Bad thing. It is an active scan after all. Snipers could pick him of or a scout could move in and go for the kill. But I really do agree we need to reward gal logi for doing there job in battle. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.23 11:15:00 - [12] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Anyone buying into adding further points to scanners in their current state needs their head examined. You already get to win entire matches for your team by basically giving your team COD UAV scans all match long. If you want to keep scanners how they are (completely broken from a gameplay balance standpoint), then either ditch the excess scanners and make WP the way EVERY OTHER LOGI IN THE GAME DOES or keep running your full load of scanners and try to use them to find yourself something to shoot at. If you want more WP for using them, push to have them fixed first by limiting them to 1 per suit. Then we can talk rewards. As it is, you're just saying 'can I has unlimited WP for OB's plz?' TL;DR: N f'ing O An Amarr logi can farm wp with only links. A minmatar logi can farm wp with only rep tool A Caldari can with needle and hives. A gallogi CANNOT FARM WOTH ONLY SCANS. I've done it and it's not pleasant. As many scans as you get, there is not enough wp. Max I have managed to get on a winning match was barely 400, only from Intel assists, payout? 100k, sp? 4K. Not pleasant stats. CEO of T-W-L Gallente Loyalist GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.11.23 11:44:00 - [13] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Anyone buying into adding further points to scanners in their current state needs their head examined. You already get to win entire matches for your team by basically giving your team COD UAV scans all match long. If you want to keep scanners how they are (completely broken from a gameplay balance standpoint), then either ditch the excess scanners and make WP the way EVERY OTHER LOGI IN THE GAME DOES or keep running your full load of scanners and try to use them to find yourself something to shoot at. If you want more WP for using them, push to have them fixed first by limiting them to 1 per suit. Then we can talk rewards. As it is, you're just saying 'can I has unlimited WP for OB's plz?' TL;DR: N f'ing O An Amarr logi can farm wp with only links. A minmatar logi can farm wp with only rep tool A Caldari can with needle and hives. A gallogi CANNOT FARM WOTH ONLY SCANS. I've done it and it's not pleasant. As many scans as you get, there is not enough wp. Max I have managed to get on a winning match was barely 400, only from Intel assists, payout? 100k, sp? 4K. Not pleasant stats. A Gallente logi has the benifit of a tactical advantage over pretty much any suit fielded. You may not be able to farm WP as effectively as other logis, but you CAN farm WP as easily as the people you're scanning for: by killing the people you scan. And like I said, if you want additional bonuses to the scanner you kinda need to unbreak the thing first. Buffing an item that already dominates battles by seeing everything around it isn't going to improve anything, especially when it just means more OBs for the guys who can already see everything. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Jackkkkkkkkkkkkkkky jack CASSETTE 514 265	Posted - 2015.11.23 16:39:00 - [14] - Quote lol 15 each?! get 4 200m scan , u will find nobody in battlefield, but alot wp ?! XD just found cal assault op^^ welcome to Taiwan ^^
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 65	Posted - 2015.11.23 17:42:00 - [15] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Anyone buying into adding further points to scanners in their current state needs their head examined. You already get to win entire matches for your team by basically giving your team COD UAV scans all match long. If you want to keep scanners how they are (completely broken from a gameplay balance standpoint), then either ditch the excess scanners and make WP the way EVERY OTHER LOGI IN THE GAME DOES or keep running your full load of scanners and try to use them to find yourself something to shoot at. If you want more WP for using them, push to have them fixed first by limiting them to 1 per suit. Then we can talk rewards. As it is, you're just saying 'can I has unlimited WP for OB's plz?' TL;DR: N f'ing O An Amarr logi can farm wp with only links. A minmatar logi can farm wp with only rep tool A Caldari can with needle and hives. A gallogi CANNOT FARM WOTH ONLY SCANS. I've done it and it's not pleasant. As many scans as you get, there is not enough wp. Max I have managed to get on a winning match was barely 400, only from Intel assists, payout? 100k, sp? 4K. Not pleasant stats. A Gallente logi has the benifit of a tactical advantage over pretty much any suit fielded. You may not be able to farm WP as effectively as other logis, but you CAN farm WP as easily as the people you're scanning for: by killing the people you scan. And like I said, if you want additional bonuses to the scanner you kinda need to unbreak the thing first. Buffing an item that already dominates battles by seeing everything around it isn't going to improve anything, especially when it just means more OBs for the guys who can already see everything. Its not a logistics players job to go around slaying. He is there to support and why i agree with this post. I also realize that changes would have to be made for it. tritan abbattere wrote: I think If we give Risk To the player Scanning this would be doable. If the Person doing the Scans Is revealed To the enemy team every time He does a Scan this would not be a Bad thing. It is an active scan after all. Snipers could pick him off or a scout could move in and go for the kill. But I really do agree we need to reward gal logi for doing there job in battle. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole


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