The early concepts of the Caldari looked evil. I remember one picture showing just what is behind those helmets of theirs, wish i could find it. Pure death.

You know they're just people don't you? Racially descended from Japanese at that.

What's ur favorite game on ps4. I think it's time to open mine up. Watching you trying to find something to love in dust makes me sick. Don't get me wrong. I love dust. But wow. How did I become one of these peasants paying ccp.... it's like I'm on the outside looking in.

The original mercenaries may have been human, but you can not think such as these mercenaries around today. Countless years locked inside of the radiant suits, we may look worse than deadpool. In fact, we may not even look human. Whose to say?


Give me a 100% guarantee that us immortals are human. Give me lore confirmation, show me pictures, give me proof instead of just trying to shove your opinion down my throat.

If this nets her an 'A' I wonder what I'll get?

Shot in the back of the head with a scrambler pistol for sharing imperial secrets.

That's not what I had in mind but its better than a steel plated kick to the groin I suppose......

That leads me to wonder something. Do you know if there has been a lore explanation for how mercs chose or activate suicide routines on their suit? If mercs didn't have a way to 'will' themselves to death, indefinite incapacitation would be far superior than killing a merc clone.

The original mercenaries may have been human, but you can not think such as these mercenaries around today. Countless years locked inside of the radiant suits, we may look worse than deadpool. In fact, we may not even look human. Whose to say?


Give me a 100% guarantee that us immortals are human. Give me lore confirmation, show me pictures, give me proof instead of just trying to shove your opinion down my throat.

Lore wise we are anything but human. More accurately we are infomorphs who exist within the scope of the cloned body we are inhabiting at any given time however with a mere thought or a well placed bullet that can change on a whim.

However what you need to understand about our characters is that we are in fact fundamentally human at our core or at the very least out bodies appear human should we choose them too.

What I think you are misunderstand is that we do not have original body that ages and dies after time in a dropsuit. In fact most combat clones die soon after a battle we fight even though they were not terminated due to the rapidly developing cancers and sicknesses our dropsuit power sources confer to us.

Most of the time we fight we inhabit what are called combat clones or stock clones. These are eight and a half feet tall biologically engineered super soldiers with metal skeletons, redundant organs, reduced pain senses, and for the sake of production ease and cost reduction no defining physical features. This means pigmentless skin, red eyes, and no hair whatsoever though still fundamentally covered by a layer of skin.

Outside of that CCP Falcon confirmed that we as Dusters have access to cosmetic clones as well that can appear however we choose. Everything from altering our characters original features to enhancing them, changing them entirely to new facial shapes, adding various non-human features.

At one point in Gallentean history there were a series of anthropomorphic animal characters from a childrens TV series that became so widely popular that citizens began to adopt the physical characteristics of their favourites or combinations of all.

Additionally RPers from this forum such as Galm Fae have successfully RPed characters of have used genetic perfection on their characters to heterochromia and various other features.

I RP with an EVE pilot every now and again whose character is a literal cat-girl with the ears, tail, capricious and overly affectionate personality to boot. Others I know RP as synthetic constructs devoid of human frailties that their minds have entered while others have attempted to splice Jovian DNA...... (that didn't go over so well)

Templar One is the best source of how our clones work however EVElopedia gives us a breakdown of Combat Clones and Dropsuits here - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Infantry_Gear:Dropsuits

Towards the bottom of the page.

Very clever Jadek, very clever.

One would think that it would have to be an 'at will' kill switch allowing self termination for incapacitated clones. To be honest I cannot myself source any particular instance of this occurring in prime fiction as I have not personally ready Templar One.

However you make a very valid point that if it were not and required some kind of physical trigger from the clone then incapacitating that clone would be a vastly superior way of removing them as a threat. EVE does cite varied kinds of incapacitating weapons from the chemical PSYCLID rounds, the Nanite Poison TOXIN rounds causing extreme pain, not to mention simply dismemberment as tool that have reduced cloned soldiers to husks of themselves.

That also leads on to a very interesting RP aspect that we often have to keep considering for the purposes of giving that RP a sense of urgency and danger. Immortal Clones are not actually immortal or perhaps more accurately it is this pseudo-immortality that actually allows them to be killed or trapped depending on how you perceive temporal disassociation for clones as well as the shelf life of the cloning module in our brains.

As people may or may not know our battlefield are continuously regulated by the intergalactic peacekeeping organisation CONCORD. Not many know that unlike capsuleers we cannot simply end our lives and teleport across half the clusters because out clone tech does not make use of Quantum Pairing. As such 'Immortal Cloned Soldiers' are only as immortal as the effective range of their cloning module relative to the nearest CRU. Typically this range is from the surface of a planet to a localised military installation somewhere in a system either aboard a vessel or perhaps established as a static position.

As such in any instance where that signal is blocked or our cloning modules are not communicating with the receiver our clones can be killed. Or depending on how you interpret the method of cloning held in a form of unconscious stasis as a 'ready to be transmitted template' for recloning. In that state we are not concious of time passing nor thus a clone could spend days, months, or even years like this without even knowing it only to wake up at a cloning station later with no knowledge that they had been temporarily outside of the flow of time for years. That though depend again on your interpretation of how the technology works.

I've been writing a short RP arc for a group that involved trapping a conciousness outside of body in dead space effectively hoping that this cloned being will remain floating through space as nothing more than a small battered silver box until cloned soldier tech is discontinued and they die the final death.

Dust Mercs have no power. Yeah, our overlords are essentially CONCORD who can turn us off at will. They hold power over the infrastructure. That would be an interesting meta community event to explore--the creation mercenary rouge neural databases via player flotillas defended against Capsuleers, CONCORD, and the Drifters.

Those Amarrian faces though....... it proves one of my long held theories.

Young Amarrian men and women do in fact exist and we do not simply spring up out of holes in the ground looking like a granite cliff side.

I've been helping Satja with a thesis for her Amarrian Cultural Studies and Citizenship paper..... this could well be the answer we've been looking for. If this nets her an 'A' I wonder what I'll get?

Unfortunately, this doesn't fit with the way clones (medical and jump) work in the EvE universe. At the instant of death, a capsuleer can instantly awaken in their medical clone, which can be as close as the nearest station, or as far away as the other side of the galaxy. Also, using jump clones, a capsuleer can jump clear across the galaxy at the drop of a hat. There's no discussion of the connection being blocked, and the mechanism of that connection has never been explained, but it's clear that it has to exist at least in a form necessary to allow all the above.

the min sui9t looks like..... fallout 4

Well since Dusters don't clone like EVE pilots the discussion is moot.

What?? It's the same technology!

No it is not. Capsuleers use a form of cloning that involved a method of quantum pairing effectively allowing them to transport to a clone anywhere in the clusters. Unlike them our clones a little more limited and somewhat more robust.

Capsuleers essentially have copies of their minds made and clone into them effectively creating a new entity with the memories of the original or previous incarnation. However mercenaries like us simply experience a transfer of consciousness at the moment of death.

Similar technologies but ultimately different. Capsule tech is based off of what the Jove gave the Caldari while the cloned soldier technology is based of Sleeper tech salvaged from ruins.