The ease of switching sides in FW makes it a great deal more meaningless.

The ease of switching sides in FW makes it a great deal more meaningless.

We. Are. Mercenaries.

We are loyalty to whomever pays us the most. Some of us embrace a particular faction. Others just want to get paid.

This I will agree with.

Even if you lose a FW match there needs to be a small standing increase as a "thanks for trying". After all, I just died a dozens times for the [Insert faction navy here], shouldn't I be given a door prize?

The ease of switching sides in FW makes it a great deal more meaningless.

This. It happens in eve as well, it's just much harder to do. Our standings system is very different from theirs.

I agree 100%.

i can hardly even get into a gal battle. and the ones i do end up in seems to be against the exact same group of people..


also.. i joined on the gal side. so why am i jumping out of the caldari mcc?


they should change the way the standing system works. the more you fight for one side the more your paid. while the opposing faction starts to hate you. and so that one day you decide to fight for the other team.. you get paid. next to nothing.

Back in my days Cfw STF would stomp gfw

But I guess that goes against your first statement "We. Are. Mercenaries." - Indeed we are but here I run into a problem I've struck before. I'm an EvE Online player from way back. FW in EvE Online is a whole different matter - you pick a side and stick to it and the longer you're on that side, the more hated you are by the other side, to the point where my EvE main, Nalianna, can't even fly through Gallente hisec without potentially being fired upon, and that's not even due to FW, but just taking Caldari Navy contracts against Gallente forces.

Back in my days Cfw STF would stomp gfw

I have noticed (and so have others) that lately, Gallente is just stomping Caldari match after match. I've also noticed that there are a lot of players who used to play Caldari that are now killing me from the Gallente side. Clearly there is more SP and LP to be made fighting for the winning side. But what bothers me is lack of loyalty. In EvE, faction loyalty in FW is strong. The actual system makes it very hard for a player to play first one side, then switch and play the other. They become permanent targets for the other side, just by playing FW, increasing their standing with their chosen side and decreasing it with the opposition. Many go so negative they can't fly through opposition space.

I just wrote a post lamenting unbalanced matches in pubs, which I'm virtually certain are designed to be that way by CCP, for some reason.

CFW is a completely different story, and one that needs to be in a separate thread but it's related, because, well, it feels the same...

I have noticed (and so have others) that lately, Gallente is just stomping Caldari match after match.

Some of us still build squads in STF and stomp...

I'm on board with the whole mercenary thing.

But when it comes to fw I'm cal/ama all the way. It's one of the few ways I get more flavor out of dust. When I see turncoats, it gives me a battle objective to kill them at least twice.

I never was leadership. I just fc a lot at that time.

AFAIK its an open channel.

I'm not sure if this interests you, but I know a warbarge subsystem was discussed that would allow you to align with a faction for a period of time and receive bonuses for running FW for that faction. In exchange, the opposing factions would award less rewards if you ran them.

It's not an iron clad "I will only fight for you!" but it's better than what we have now.

I'm on board with the whole mercenary thing.

But when it comes to fw I'm cal/ama all the way. It's one of the few ways I get more flavor out of dust. When I see turncoats, it gives me a battle objective to kill them at least twice.

It's true, but only a couple of months ago when Cal were stomping Gal with a constant stream of organised Queue Syncs the same thing happened the other way, (Wound down a couple of matches in the MCC with Carne Con Papas then watched them stomp mercilessly on the Cal side for a month. Now they appear to be back to Gal).

As people say if the idea is that mercenaries do what mercenaries do then this is to be expected and there is nothing wrong with it. There just need to be a couple of little nudges to maybe make the idea of 'loyalty' points actually mean that.

For example I don't think it should be possible to be any more than, at best, level 5 in two competing factions

The winners do deserve the points and the spoils of war. However I feel that the punishment for losing is currently a little harsh. i.e No LP, No Salvage, very little ISK and in a stomp very little SP and very few missions completed. It all adds up.

I don't think necessarily that there needs to be any changes to salvage, isk or SP, to the victors go the spoils, but if the point of FW is earning loyalty points then there needs to be more incentive to join and or continue fighting for the losing side, whomever they may be.

I don't think LP payouts should be flat out buffed but what I'd like to see is the losing side being given a small incentive multiplier to continue fighting, and or attract other mercs to LP payout and possibly an ISK 'contract bonus' of somesort.

I think that it should be based on overall district ownership. If the ownership is 50/50 then LP payouts should be as they are. However as a faction gains more ownership a multiplier is applied to the other sides LP payouts. E.g if Cal are in control of 75% of faction space, Gal get a 25% multiplier to their LP payouts, win or lose. This wouldn't unbalance or reduce the worth of fighting for the stronger faction but would just give a little nudge and incentive to players who had decided to stay 'loyal.'

(numbers are off the top of my head because it's easy)..... and I'm sure that there will be someone along shortly to point of the glaringly obvious exploit that I've failed to see that this all opens up.

The winners do deserve the points and the spoils of war. However I feel that the punishment for losing is currently a little harsh. i.e No LP, No Salvage, very little ISK and in a stomp very little SP and very few missions completed. It all adds up.

As someone who plays strictly Gal FW and saw his team redlined 5 minutes into the round for 75% of my matches, all I can say is deal with it...

And I would love to help hunt those turncoats by the way.

I was Godsmacked when I saw people from stf fighting for gfw.

That made me stop playing cfw, there is no honor and ther is no loyalty in new eden.

Let me in stf again and I will show you the meaning of the word loyalty.

FOR THE STATE!!!!! OOORAH!!!!!

Actually, I think there still is honour and loyalty. We, the loyal, simply have to show it ourselves. Target the turncoats. That's what would happen in real life, why not in Dust?

And by the way, what is STF? Is that some sort of staging chat channel for CFW? Can I join? Also, I'd love to help identify these disgusting vermin and assist in dealing some sort of punishment out to them.

Gallente has been stomping Cal since I can remember.

Call it a stereotype all you want but console gamers are the most disorganized bunch. There are some on PC, but console gamers want to win at any cost...and thats it. So loyalty smoyalty, console gamers dont care about that crap.

Their K/D brings all the girls to the yard, and they like, its better than yours.

I've been console since ATARI. Loyalty is what keeps me interested in dust.

Frack kdr, warpoints measure the man.

Gallente has been stomping Cal since I can remember.

Call it a stereotype all you want but console gamers are the most disorganized bunch. There are some on PC, but console gamers want to win at any cost...and thats it. So loyalty smoyalty, console gamers dont care about that crap.

Their K/D brings all the girls to the yard, and they like, its better than yours.

They would care about loyalty if there was some benefit to it. The way Dust is currently set up, there just isn't. I'd like to change that, but until then, we should show the disloyal what the loyal think of them... :)

Dude, I'm honestly a bit peeved that the modern gamer needs incentives to entertain themselves through video games. Call me an old fart but if I chose a faction, I'm representing and going all in.

This is why I made that console comment. Seriously what EVE players are getting from CCP for doing what they do besides the joys they make of it? Console players, the majority at least, needs incentives to quest. Benefits to choose a faction. Basically a bunch of "I showed up" trophy winners and its freak in terrible.

It would have been awesome to see Cal organize on ground. You can bet your catnip CCP and the PC gaming community would have been shocked by the efforts. At the end of the day, people just want a faction item and to be on the winning side without putting any effort in.

That sucks dude.