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Lady MDK
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:06:00 -
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Just a thought as all these dust port threads are appearing right now.....
A dust port to next gen/PC would be the same game with all missing assets added and some extra game modes maybe even some open world elements.
What if the future of our game were something completely different? how would you feel about this?
I know I've posted about integration with the EVE client in the past but hear me out.... What if Dust 2.0 (or maybe 3.0) where at its core a kind of survival game that was actually part of the EVE client and game?
You start out as a lone clone in your transport in a starter system the view at this point would be similar to that of an eve player
(since we are talking maybe the free to play side of eve? maybe?).
You log in and decide to check to see if there any high sec contracts (these include npc matches similar to now and PI drone eradication contracts, as well as Nullsec and FW landgrabs maybe even structure attacks once citadels are implemented).
You Purchase a scanner and a militia LEV (Light Exploration Vehicle) and an ore extractor unit from the Market and put them in the cargo of your transport and hit the launch button. Vehicles, suits and weapons, similar to EVE ships are all manufactured by players and sold for profit.
Around you you see other clone transports of different sizes and also EVE ships since this is essentially the EVE client. You decide to see what on the planet that the station is orbiting, You right click on the world and select enter orbit and your ship warps to enter orbit over the world. looking at the planet you see a grid overlay on the globe that shows the different districts and use the ships overlay to show ore deposits on that world. You see one that you like and right click to land in that districts Command Center. This would then load the avatar engine.
You would appear outside the base maybe with other clones on that world and be able to active your LEV in your ships cargo while in range of the command center (or maybe the vehicle is assembled by nanites a bit like an in space structure in EVE? so you can pack it up and get it out at any time?) You can also create the ground based equivalent of a Player owned structure to keep your stuff in if you like which you can build up given time and resources (which must be mined).
Your overlay shows the approximate location or the mineral field so you drive out and recon to see if anyone else is there (if you have the balls to be in lowsec/nullsec). You arrive and plant the extractor which shows up on the planetary overlay to anyone else who maybe in orbit.
The mechanic of fireteams/squads and platoons would still exist as a social element similar to EVE fleets and also corps.
As an enhancement of what we have now there are several sizes of transport (which we currently call the warbarge) the larger ones can fit several platoons so that roaming several areas at once is viable). However these can be targeted by EVE ships and other transports so putting all your eggs in one basket maybe unwise.
Null sec
All worlds in EVE would have a command districts. these are the giant command centers that generate power for global operations. All players PI would connect upto this (although this would be transparent to the player). If an enemy EVE corp or alliance wanted to take the world for them self the leadership would place a contract for mercs to capture the command district. If the attacking clones are victorious and no counter attack is evident the leadership can destroy the structures that exist.
Attacking citadels your troops are required to destroy points rather than hack them back and forth to knock station services offline to aid pilots attacking the structures (maybe using mercs eradicates/reduces reinforced timers if they are successful?)
Of course this would be the vision for PC.... I do support console as well as many people I know are console only players.... would console support an EVE client with these features in the same way it supports Elite Dangerous? Of course subscribers would be able to access both sides of the game (EVE and DUST) whereas FTP players would only get the DUST elements of play and market.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:29:00 -
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No only pc could handle this
Ps4 cant handle the badassness a PC please port could handle
This http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwa6DOtRfE is stored somewhere in a hard drive in a desk waiting to be shown at fanfest 2015
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Radiant Pancake3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:10:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:No only pc could handle this Ps4 cant handle the badassness a PC please port could handle This http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwa6DOtRfE is stored somewhere in a hard drive in a desk waiting to be shown at fanfest 2015
Go build that PC better than a PS4 for 350 or under then talk.
Also I would like it ported to both if possible it would be nice...
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:13:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Golden Day wrote:No only pc could handle this Ps4 cant handle the badassness a PC please port could handle This http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwa6DOtRfE is stored somewhere in a hard drive in a desk waiting to be shown at fanfest 2015 Go build that PC better than a PS4 for 350 or under then talk. Also I would like it ported to both if possible it would be nice...
I dont have to??
Porting to both is stupid
PC master race is obviously the best choice.
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:19:00 -
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ps4,
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:24:00 -
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My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics....
And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book.
if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion...
It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:42:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics.... And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book. if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion... It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress.
Well first you have to remember that they were showing a demo not some finished ready to lauch game
And having it on PC and ps4 is stupid literally stupid...
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:43:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:PC,
Ftfy
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Forever ETC
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:49:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Lady MDK wrote:My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics.... And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book. if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion... It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress. Well first you have to remember that they were showing a demo not some finished ready to lauch game And having it on PC and ps4 is stupid literally stupid...
Please enlighten us as how it is "stupid literally stupid".
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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JIMvc2
KILL-EM-QUICK
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:17:00 -
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Its Current gen NOT next gen.
Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:19:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Its Current gen NOT next gen.
Technically you are correct, PC, Xbone and PS4 are current gen, however in this context it is considered Next Gen as the current Gen for Dust is PS3.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:24:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Lady MDK wrote:My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics.... And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book. if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion... It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress. Well first you have to remember that they were showing a demo not some finished ready to lauch game And having it on PC and ps4 is stupid literally stupid... Please enlighten us as how it is "stupid literally stupid".
Because it splits up the playerbase unless you want cross platform
If its cross platform Mouse < Controller
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:28:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Lady MDK wrote:My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics.... And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book. if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion... It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress. Well first you have to remember that they were showing a demo not some finished ready to lauch game And having it on PC and ps4 is stupid literally stupid... Please enlighten us as how it is "stupid literally stupid". Because it splits up the playerbase unless you want cross platform If its cross platform Mouse < Controller
If it goes to both it needs to be cross platform.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:29:00 -
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You do know a mouse is more accurate than a controller right?
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JIMvc2
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:37:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:You do know a mouse is more accurate than a controller right?
Both have pros and cons. In shooters I prefer controller. Just sit back and relax.
Easy as 1,2,3.
Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:39:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Golden Day wrote:You do know a mouse is more accurate than a controller right? Both have pros and cons. In shooters I prefer controller. Just sit back and relax. Easy as 1,2,3.
Its because pretty much every fps on console game has aim support
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Forever ETC
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:41:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Lady MDK wrote:My main issue with what was shown here was that it is to all intense and purposes DUST in a suit. There is none of the possible expanded gameplay that could be possible like openworld or actually scanning the cluster to find something to do it is to all intense and purposes DUST code with different graphics.... And a flashy loading screen between matches does not make immersion in my book. if they would have shown a unity demo of some openworld stuff and and people setting up a ragtag outpost to attack someone elses base and setting up facilities to aid in the combat effort that would take days to actually conclude that would be different, it would be eve on foot where you can fight, log off go to sleep. Log in the next day and find that your soldiers ahve pushed the lines forward and you can log in and join the fight again... that would be amazing in my opinion... It doesn't come down to the platform for me... it comes down to how that platform gets used, ps4 or pc (preferably both) but the gameneeds to be more than it currently is with fancy dress. Well first you have to remember that they were showing a demo not some finished ready to lauch game And having it on PC and ps4 is stupid literally stupid... Please enlighten us as how it is "stupid literally stupid". Because it splits up the playerbase unless you want cross platform If its cross platform Mouse < Controller
I thought you said the player base of 2,000 didn't matter? What's stopping us from treating DUST like Warframe?
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
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JIMvc2
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:44:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Golden Day wrote:You do know a mouse is more accurate than a controller right? Both have pros and cons. In shooters I prefer controller. Just sit back and relax. Easy as 1,2,3. Its because pretty much every fps on console game has aim support
Not all shooters in console have aim assist.
With mouse I feel its too easy to get kills. The weapons in bf4 PC feel like they have no recoil whatsoever. On ps4 you shoot and the weapon has a kick. If Dust wants to be good on pc then all the weapons need to have a lot of recoil.
Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:46:00 -
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By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online....
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Forever ETC
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:58:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online....
I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines.
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:01:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Golden Day wrote:No only pc could handle this Ps4 cant handle the badassness a PC please port could handle This http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwa6DOtRfE is stored somewhere in a hard drive in a desk waiting to be shown at fanfest 2015 Go build that PC better than a PS4 for 350 or under then talk. Also I would like it ported to both if possible it would be nice... I dont have to?? Porting to both is stupidPC master race is obviously the best choice.
Oh yeah, appealing to both communities (Console master race and PC Master race) is stupid.
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:02:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online.... I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines.
PC and ps4 is still not a good idea.
Unless you want people with more accurate aiming and a game where everything is held back just because the ps4 version couldn't handle it
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:07:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online.... I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines. PC and ps4 is still not a good idea. Unless you want people with more accurate aiming and a game where everything is held back just because the ps4 version couldn't handle it
Then we can just follow the example of Warframe. Also what exactly would be the things that the PS4 couldn't handle, because obviously we don't play DUST for the pretty graphics. Is it the burning trees and 1080p orbitals?
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:15:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online.... I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines. PC and ps4 is still not a good idea. Unless you want people with more accurate aiming and a game where everything is held back just because the ps4 version couldn't handle it Then we can just follow the example of Warframe. Also what exactly would be the things that the PS4 couldn't handle, because obviously we don't play DUST for the pretty graphics. Is it the burning trees and 1080p orbitals?
Yes orbitals and burning trees in 1080 is one thing
PS4 certainly can't handle the intense features nor would I doubt Sony would let them put things in that ccp promised over the years for the game
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:22:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online.... I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines. PC and ps4 is still not a good idea. Unless you want people with more accurate aiming and a game where everything is held back just because the ps4 version couldn't handle it Then we can just follow the example of Warframe. Also what exactly would be the things that the PS4 couldn't handle, because obviously we don't play DUST for the pretty graphics. Is it the burning trees and 1080p orbitals? Yes orbitals and burning trees in 1080 is one thing PS4 certainly can't handle the intense features nor would I doubt Sony would let them put things in that ccp promised over the years for the game
I'm guessing you haven't seen the games that are already on the PS4, or have you? Also what promises exactly? If it isn't too much to ask, but could you use commas on your sentences? Gets a bit hard to understand what you are trying to say...
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:36:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Golden Day wrote:By split up I meant if it was on ps4 and PC it would split up the playerbase it might gain
Although Legion on PC is best choice if you want it to have the same lifespan as eve online.... I don't know man, to me it makes sense if you have two ways to get something you will have more people get it than if there was only one way. If we had PC and PS4 you would get a bigger player base and profit. DUST has lived for nearly 3 years and it's not even a complete game... I'm sure it could live even longer on PS4 and PC, especially since current gen still has a long while till it dies out and next gen consoles become stream machines. PC and ps4 is still not a good idea. Unless you want people with more accurate aiming and a game where everything is held back just because the ps4 version couldn't handle it Then we can just follow the example of Warframe. Also what exactly would be the things that the PS4 couldn't handle, because obviously we don't play DUST for the pretty graphics. Is it the burning trees and 1080p orbitals?
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Golden Day
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:38:00 -
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Big thumbs and small keyboards dont go well together.
The fact that the ps4 has a lifespan is a pretty good reason not to port
And lots of other reasons not to port which I am to lazy to post.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:58:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Big thumbs and small keyboards dont go well together.
The fact that the ps4 has a lifespan is a pretty good reason not to port
And lots of other reasons not to port which I am to lazy to post.
Sorry to hear you don't have the strength to defend why a port to PC and PS4 would be stupid. I bet you could buy a bigger keyboard at your 99-ó store.
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:07:00 -
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@GoldenDay: You should try and see what a ps4 is capable of before arguing against it. If games like battlfront, destiny or blodborne with very high graphics can smoothly run on the ps4, Dust won't even make it heat.
I used to think that a console could never reach a decent PC (a bit like you do), but now that I have both I can assure you that I was very wrong.
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