I'd personally like to see the training go the way of Eve, and yes, I'm one of those people that are horrible at FPS games.

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It's good as-is. People who are good at FPS still have a chance to kill high SP players if they out play them.

I don't see passive SP gain working in this game as a motivator to keep people playing and spending isk.

I would like to see uniformity between Eve and Dust as much as possible, but this post relates to the dead horse that is the SP accrual method. Even though ultimately this post will mean nothing and have no effect on anything, I need to say my piece. It's kind of like why we vote actually - our vote doesn't mean squat, but it gives us the right to complain.

Dust is supposed to take place within the world of Eve. So if you're going to have active SP in Dust, then make it active SP in Eve somehow as well. If you're going to leave it passive with a training queue in Eve, then make it the same in Dust. In the roleplay sense, we merc's would be able to board our friends ship for a drink or two between battles, or even leave the merc life and become a peaceful space trucker (freighter pilot) if we wanted. I know that's not how it works in the actual game, but I'm talking about the concept of it all being in the same world. Eventually we'll be able to be in the same corps, buy, borrow, steal and donate to and from each other, send money back and forth, hire each other for different tasks, betray each other, and mingle in stations (I think). This is why I want things to be as close to the same as possible - it's all taking place in the same world!

I'd personally like to see the training go the way of Eve, and yes, I'm one of those people that are horrible at FPS games.

The benefit is a bit more of a level playing field. As time goes on and the elite get more elite, it means that the new folks and the crappy folks (like myself) get less and less SP as we get less and less kills and objectives due to our inability to compete. By making it a steady amount regardless of your in game performance, it will help ensure we stick with the game longer as we're still able to achieve our own personal skillset and equipment goals. That's the benefit to those who suck, like myself, and I don't really see the detriment to the elite.

The benefit to the rest of the game is that it will encourage more objective based game play, as you get the same SP defending and attacking the objectives as you would if you got 30 kills. The logi running around keeping his team alive and full of ammo gets the same amount of points as the people he's keeping alive and resupplying. It encourages the support roles and objective gameplay.

It's NOT good as is, as the way it currently operates will create a heck of a void between the good and the not so good, the lone wolf run and gunner and the team player, the gunner and the support. Even the diminishing returns of SP isn't enough. So you're first few games you got 70,000 SP each, and now you're gradually winding down. You're still putting quite a bit of distance between us when our first few games were 20,000 SP each, and are now gradually winding down.

People don't keep playing Eve because they are motivated by the training queue. They play Eve because the game is fun. Dust should be the same way, and if the new and crappy folks struggle to gain SP, then it loses it's fun value. I don't expect that you good players would know, but believe it or not, we don't enjoy being beat down without hope all the time. Now I'm supposed to come in with my low skillset and kill you with your high skill set? I'm not even talking equipment here. You've already got your armor and shield skills maxed out giving you substantially more hitpoints than I. Your weapon skill is high allowing more damage, less recoil, less spread, and faster reload. Here I am struggling to get to the next level of armor hit points.

It's not going to be about who has the better gun play, but who has more SP's from either increased game time or just over all better game play. You good players already have the better gun play, so why do you need to create such a gap between our SP's as well?

I would like to point out that us as Dust mercs have different biotics/implants than capsuleers. The technology for our neural implant, the one that makes us immortal, is radically different tech. So it actually makes sense that we gain SP different that those of the EVE universe.

The benefit is a bit more of a level playing field. As time goes on and the elite get more elite, it means that the new folks and the crappy folks (like myself) get less and less SP as we get less and less kills and objectives due to our inability to compete. By making it a steady amount regardless of your in game performance, it will help ensure we stick with the game longer as we're still able to achieve our own personal skillset and equipment goals. That's the benefit to those who suck, like myself, and I don't really see the detriment to the elite.

The benefit to the rest of the game is that it will encourage more objective based game play, as you get the same SP defending and attacking the objectives as you would if you got 30 kills. The logi running around keeping his team alive and full of ammo gets the same amount of points as the people he's keeping alive and resupplying. It encourages the support roles and objective gameplay.

It's NOT good as is, as the way it currently operates will create a heck of a void between the good and the not so good, the lone wolf run and gunner and the team player, the gunner and the support. Even the diminishing returns of SP isn't enough. So you're first few games you got 70,000 SP each, and now you're gradually winding down. You're still putting quite a bit of distance between us when our first few games were 20,000 SP each, and are now gradually winding down.

People don't keep playing Eve because they are motivated by the training queue. They play Eve because the game is fun. Dust should be the same way, and if the new and crappy folks struggle to gain SP, then it loses it's fun value. I don't expect that you good players would know, but believe it or not, we don't enjoy being beat down without hope all the time. Now I'm supposed to come in with my low skillset and kill you with your high skill set? I'm not even talking equipment here. You've already got your armor and shield skills maxed out giving you substantially more hitpoints than I. Your weapon skill is high allowing more damage, less recoil, less spread, and faster reload. Here I am struggling to get to the next level of armor hit points.

It's not going to be about who has the better gun play, but who has more SP's from either increased game time or just over all better game play. You good players already have the better gun play, so why do you need to create such a gap between our SP's as well?