DUST Search - Reason why people want port

Vrain Matari wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

Raven-747 wrote:

So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? Roll

Mostly right.

Sad part is CCP hasn't used Dust as the testbed it should have been for important gameplay concepts. If they are cooking something up in secret with some grand vision of a new game design, the sad truth is i expect it to be just about as messed up as Dust.

What do you mean by messed up?

Finding ways to make the NPE work, we really have made no effort to solve the NPE problem Dust faces.

Pub matches, leaving matches, farming matches, AFKing matches.

Vehicle locks/ownership.

Designing the game to be able to withstand the 'infinite ISK' problem.

Have we found a way to bring meaning to PC?

We have not tried PC where geography matters - things would play out very differently and there would be a more than a few surprises along the way.

Active scans, passive scans, shared scans.

Suit roles, Racial bonuses, Basic frames - we are moving towards some kind of coherent structure here, but there are a few(maybe more) big shakeups that still need to happen.

It's late and i work early so i'll leave it there, but every Dust vet could add items to this list. In the end it's a complex game and a 'Dust 2' would face many problems we have not been able to solve yet. Any backroom design would have to solve these problems and more. I don't think that's possible without iterating through solutions in Dust and learning as we go, but we haven't been doing that, so.....

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Raven-747 Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 223	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BITCH!!!!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:27:00 - [2] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? A port also means a better new player experience, meta lock, etc. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:32:00 - [3] - Quote For me it's about better performance, a better operating system, new players willing and able to spend money so ccp can keep the development going ( ps4 vs PS3, the ps4 guys can spend more cash most likely ), and a platform that isn't almost a decade old and on its last leg.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:33:00 - [4] - Quote The game is getting better with every update, but I agree. There a plenty of problems left to fix which a Port would not resolve. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 449	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:35:00 - [5] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? I don't want a port as such. i want a more varied game with persistent open world gameplay. This needs CCP to choose another platform or restructure what they are doing to keep it on console maybe (environment streaming instead of loading everything in one go?). Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
bamboo x Eternal Beings RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:37:00 - [6] - Quote I kind of want Legion on PC now to be honest. Which is strange since last year I was fighting everyone tooth and nail about not having Legion on PS4. However Legion is probably dead Enjoy your shit game, I'll be on Star Wars Battlefront, a game that was designed for jumpy bullshit unlike this one.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 374	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:37:00 - [7] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? A port also means a better new player experience, meta lock, etc. Yeah I think (hope) CCP have learned a lot of lessons when it comes to implementing a straight up +Stats progression system in a PvP only game. I would be surprised if we didn't see more of a focus on specialization, or failing that a way to separate players based on the strength/tier of their +Stats gear. Something is killing new player retention.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:39:00 - [8] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? A port also means a better new player experience, meta lock, etc. Yeah I think (hope) CCP have learned a lot of lessons when it comes to implementing a straight up +Stats progression system in a PvP only game. I would be surprised if we didn't see more of a focus on specialization, or failing that a way to separate players based on the strength/tier of their +Stats gear. +Stat Progression could work if the gulf which separates low-end from high-end were less pronounced. We also need to work out the kinks in pay. As a player progresses, that player should be able to afford to run the better gear he unlocks. Putting up a good fight shouldn't leave players broke. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:44:00 - [9] - Quote Right now the systems been optimized as far as it can a port would allow room for graphic improvements cool music that can occur on certain maps or after certain actions are completed. Moods that would otherwise lag up the game can be introduced, there can be background effects added, interactive areas of the map perhaps certain buildings having bullet penetration. Maps can be more detailed and the larger scale battles we were promised years ago can be accommodated. The PS4 port would open up a whole new realm of opportunity for Dust
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 378	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:51:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Right now the systems been optimized as far as it can That's a point of contention between CCP and the community. Whether they have the resources to do that stuff, well probably not. Something is killing new player retention.

XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:52:00 - [11] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Right now the systems been optimized as far as it can That's a point of contention between CCP and the community. Literally the only way there will ever not be lag on this game is for a port. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? Mostly right. Sad part is CCP hasn't used Dust as the testbed it should have been for important gameplay concepts. If they are cooking something up in secret with some grand vision of a new game design, the sad truth is i expect it to be just about as messed up as Dust. PSN: RationalSpark
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:56:00 - [13] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? Mostly right. Sad part is CCP hasn't used Dust as the testbed it should have been for important gameplay concepts. If they are cooking something up in secret with some grand vision of a new game design, the sad truth is i expect it to be just about as messed up as Dust. What do you mean by messed up? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
CaP XZ 36	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:01:00 - [14] - Quote Dust port to PS4 should include an option to link your dust character from PS3 not so that you get all your assets/sp (there should be a complete player stats/SP/Assets wipe) but so you get a skin/BPO unique to PS3 vets symbolising "I survived dust on PS3" alt of zor (biomassed)
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:01:00 - [15] - Quote Nah I want it ported because I wanna board and fight in Titans,Space Stations. I wanna fight in large scale battles on the ground (32 vs 32) while the Skyfire Battery is firing at capsuleer ships in space. Oh and some better graphics would be nice you know. Playing on hardware that can actually handle these things would be nice you know. Time since Legion News
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:11:00 - [16] - Quote I want there to be huge maps where the field commander is an actual role and each side commands hundreds of players fighting for their empires or corporations. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:29:00 - [17] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? Mostly right. Sad part is CCP hasn't used Dust as the testbed it should have been for important gameplay concepts. If they are cooking something up in secret with some grand vision of a new game design, the sad truth is i expect it to be just about as messed up as Dust. What do you mean by messed up? Finding ways to make the NPE work, we really have made no effort to solve the NPE problem Dust faces. Pub matches, leaving matches, farming matches, AFKing matches. Vehicle locks/ownership. Designing the game to be able to withstand the 'infinite ISK' problem. Have we found a way to bring meaning to PC? We have not tried PC where geography matters - things would play out very differently and there would be a more than a few surprises along the way. Active scans, passive scans, shared scans. Suit roles, Racial bonuses, Basic frames - we are moving towards some kind of coherent structure here, but there are a few(maybe more) big shakeups that still need to happen. It's late and i work early so i'll leave it there, but every Dust vet could add items to this list. In the end it's a complex game and a 'Dust 2' would face many problems we have not been able to solve yet. Any backroom design would have to solve these problems and more. I don't think that's possible without iterating through solutions in Dust and learning as we go, but we haven't been doing that, so..... PSN: RationalSpark
Aythadis Smith 310	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:33:00 - [18] - Quote A port with out a fix to the basics of the game is just turning it into a shinier stomp fest. Same people making them selves feel good by destroying new players. It's like going into Unreal Tournement and putting the bots on easy mode, bragging at their 300 point score. Lord guide my pimp hand, and make it strong
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:41:00 - [19] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Raven-747 wrote: So the stompers can stomp without lag and make the game even worse. Lol um think about it, the only thing a port will solve is lag you can't stop the stomping or the newberry slaughter. Right? Mostly right. Sad part is CCP hasn't used Dust as the testbed it should have been for important gameplay concepts. If they are cooking something up in secret with some grand vision of a new game design, the sad truth is i expect it to be just about as messed up as Dust. What do you mean by messed up? Finding ways to make the NPE work, we really have made no effort to solve the NPE problem Dust faces. Pub matches, leaving matches, farming matches, AFKing matches. Vehicle locks/ownership. Designing the game to be able to withstand the 'infinite ISK' problem. Have we found a way to bring meaning to PC? We have not tried PC where geography matters - things would play out very differently and there would be a more than a few surprises along the way. Active scans, passive scans, shared scans. Suit roles, Racial bonuses, Basic frames - we are moving towards some kind of coherent structure here, but there are a few(maybe more) big shakeups that still need to happen. It's late and i work early so i'll leave it there, but every Dust vet could add items to this list. In the end it's a complex game and a 'Dust 2' would face many problems we have not been able to solve yet. Any backroom design would have to solve these problems and more. I don't think that's possible without iterating through solutions in Dust and learning as we go, but we haven't been doing that, so..... All of those things would be easily fixed in a port. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:41:00 - [20] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: A port with out a fix to the basics of the game is just turning it into a shinier stomp fest. Same people making them selves feel good by destroying new players. It's like going into Unreal Tournement and putting the bots on easy mode, bragging at their 300 point score. I believe there should be a full character reset. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!



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