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Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 570	Posted - 2015.10.13 10:59:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys Hotfix Foxfour has brought (well, it's my opinion) a huge amount of changes that are all nice. Except one. That poor BMD, even with its buff, is still one of the worst if not the worst weapon in this game. It just sucks against infantry for several reasons and it's not even good against tanks, it can sometimes does a difference if other guys are attacking the same target but that's it. So what's the problem? While the direct damage seems good, the probability you hit the guy is actually close to zero if you're not shooting at a static target or a heavy at shotgun range. So during the rest of this post, I'll consider you don't get direct hits against infantry. So the only damage you can deal to infantry is the splash damage... 112HP, which means a ridiculous DPS of 85 at proto level What do you wanna do with a weapon that needs 13 seconds to kill an assault suit (10 seconds of shooting+reload)? Even on the Minmando, you'd do better with a PLC (even with the relaod). If the PLC fires every 3 seconds, it has a splash DPS of 104, whereas Minmando with BMD can achieve a terrible 94DPS. Add to that a much greater effectiveness against vehicles and a more frequent direct hit that will kill any infantry for sure and you have a PLC 10 times better than the poor BMD. So just in terms of damage this gun already sucks, but moreover its handling is quite complicated too. It has smaller splash radius (perfectly normal) and it suffers from an hard to reach RoF. This is due to the animation not matching the RoF. If you look at other semi-auto weapons, either you can spam the trigger as fast as you can (ScR, TAC AR) or you can fire again when the gun is back to its original position (MD, shotgun, CR,...). Here the animation is the same as the vanilla MD, leaving you with no visual intel. Moreover while pressing the trigger once per second is pretty natural, having to shoot every 1.3 seconds is really a pain without any visual intel. This was just to describe the BMD situation, now, how could we balance it? Adapting the animation to the RoF would be great, but that may not be possible or require more investment. However reaching a certain effectiveness in terms of stats is pretty easy once we know where we want the gun to be. As it has a better effectiveness against vehicles than the other MDs, it should be less effective at taking down infantry. To me the smaller spash radius and the slower RoF are already enough. So the splash DPS should be brought to the same level as the freedom MD, which means a dramatic damage buff. It would also be logical compared to grenades as the packed version hits harder but on a much smaller area. So the BMD should deal : - 188 HP at STD level - 198 HP at ADV level - 208 HP at proto level So basically, this would mean that the BMD would have the same effectiveness against lone targets as the Freedom, but it would be harder to hit with it and less effective against groups, which seems enough to compensate the extra damage agaisnt vehicles. Btw I find it a bit too weak against vehicles so slight direct damage buff may also be needed, but bringing it to the other MDs level would already be a huge step forward.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote I've tried to explain the problems with the breach MD several times since FoxFour dropped. You highlight them pretty well. Here's some other issues. Incapable of actually destroying an installation. You can get the thing to 0 armor but it never goes boom. Plasma cannon can. Lower efficiency versus LAVs and dropships. It only recieved an efficiency buff against HAVs. So what we have is a ridiculously hard weapon to use (or ridiculously bad, whichever way you look at it) which is also half an AV weapon. Other AV weapons can destroy installations and get full efficiency to all vehicles. I just don't understand CCP's logic on that one. Ratatti said himself that the breach MD would be a potent AV weapon in the hands of the minmatar commando. Well it's not, it's awful. I'm all for moving swarms to the cal commando but ffs fix this weapon. This was by far the most disappointing part of the hotfix
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.13 16:00:00 - [3] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Stuff You don't need splash damage. The tiny splash damage is actually a blessing in disguise. You know how much damage a 2x damage modded breach does on a commando? With a direct shot? 462 base, over 700 to armor. Just walk up to a sentinel, put the gun up to his head and pull the trigger. He takes 700 damage (possibly more if splash damage re-applies), you take around 100. Mop up with ACR. Breaches are made to crack heavies open from point blank. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
IR Scifi OSG Planetary Operations 216	Posted - 2015.10.13 18:36:00 - [4] - Quote Turning it into "the minmatar shotgun" does the breach no favors as a general purpose av weapon. Which is what I think everyone was hoping for. Honestly unless you either buff it's base damage or increase its rof outta always going to suck as av. Truth of the matter with vehicle speeds being what they are you have to rely on alpha strike damage or the vehicle will just fly / drive off.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 19:17:00 - [5] - Quote 1.) Make it full auto 2.) Remove splash 3.) Reduce damage 4.) Increase clip size Caldari REALLY 514
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 19:24:00 - [6] - Quote im curious has anyone ever tried it on a min scout or any scout as a primary CQC weapon like a shotgun Reserved
Vulpes Dolosus Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.13 19:26:00 - [7] - Quote Give it the projectile speed and arc of a PLC or Flaylock. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote it needs a RoF buff as well as a reserve ammo buff other then that a projectile speed buff might be good but nothing more nothing less Reserved
IR Scifi OSG Planetary Operations 217	Posted - 2015.10.13 20:54:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Give it the projectile speed and arc of a PLC or Flaylock. Plc projectile speed, maybe...the arc? No way. It's what really makes the mass driver unique (and useful imho).


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