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Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:08:00 - [1] - Quote Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. Chicken is good
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 27	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:11:00 - [2] - Quote DCs loses a million ISK Newbies will be so happy. Why don't we try and address the reasons people are leaving first, rather than trying desperately to punish people who try to escape rampant protostomps? Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DCs loses a million ISK Newbies will be so happy. Why don't we try and address the reasons people are leaving first, rather than trying desperately to punish people who try to escape rampant protostomps? The "unruly" punishment would start off at a minimum. If you don't usually leave battles and it was just a "one timer" thing, for what ever reason, you will be charged with the minimum of say, 200k. If however, you leave battles very frequently, the punishment fee will slowly rise and get worse until you go negative on isk. It would function the same way factions do. If you leave 3 battles in a row, the fee will rise by one lvl. If you play 3 battles in a row without leaving, the few will drop by one Lvl. Edit: if the punishment lvls would rise by a lot, then, ppl won't leave as much since they don't want too lose so much isk. If you leave 3 battles in a row, you will lose 200k each battle. At the end your fee will have risen to 400k (doubles each time). Chicken is good
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:27:00 - [4] - Quote This will punish new players plus a lot of vets who collect paychecks from their Corporation won't be affected by this.
Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:30:00 - [5] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: This will punish new players plus a lot of vets who collect paychecks from their Corporation won't be affected by this. How will it affect new players? And did you read my second post? Chicken is good
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 16:50:00 - [6] - Quote Mahmun wrote: Summa Militum wrote: This will punish new players plus a lot of vets who collect paychecks from their Corporation won't be affected by this. How will it affect new players? And did you read my second post? Vets who stomp in squads won't be affected like newbs due to Corp pay and wallet buffer. I see more people immediately leave when there are squads opposing them. A solo mode would help. Promoting sticking it out would work better... I've suggested a completion bonus, for every battle completed you receive a 1% bonus to isk and sp up to a maximum of 20% and each time you press leave battle you lose 5% of that bonus.
maybe deadcatz TRUE TEA BAGGERS Smart Deploy 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:05:00 - [7] - Quote Or we can do this: You can leave the battle twice,then the the third time comes around you gain a -2% isk and sp loss that can stack to -10% just complete battles to remove 2% from the thing unless you want to not earn the full sp and isk Ha! You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:06:00 - [8] - Quote Mahmun wrote: Summa Militum wrote: This will punish new players plus a lot of vets who collect paychecks from their Corporation won't be affected by this. How will it affect new players? And did you read my second post? I did read your second post. This will negatively affect new players because they will not have the ISK to pay such a fee. A new player could play several matches, go ISK positive, and feel good about themselves up until they hit a string of matches where they are pitted against a Proto Squad full of people who can't afford ***** enlarging pills and so as an alternative they jump into Pubs to stomp newberries. The newberry would have 3 options: 1) quit the match and lose ISK, 2) stay in the match, die a bunch of times, and lose ISK (if they use free suits to offset a loss in ISK they will still end up having their morale crushed), or 3) go enjoy the boring life of an AFKer.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:09:00 - [9] - Quote Mahmun wrote: Summa Militum wrote: This will punish new players plus a lot of vets who collect paychecks from their Corporation won't be affected by this. How will it affect new players? And did you read my second post? Do you collect a paycheck from your Corporation?
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:09:00 - [10] - Quote As long as we charge people for your losses while they sit in the redline doing nothing I'd be okay with that. Seriously, port it. Hurry

Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:11:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DCs loses a million ISK Newbies will be so happy. Why don't we try and address the reasons people are leaving first, rather than trying desperately to punish people who try to escape rampant protostomps? I see more people leave when they see certain maps or find themselves on a team that can't find their way out of the redline. Seriously, port it. Hurry
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 304	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:24:00 - [12] - Quote Mahmun wrote: Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. GAME IT IS A GAME...NOT A JOB. Realize that the people on your team owe you nothing. They are here for their entertainment, and if they are not entertained they have the right to leave. You need to address the reasons that they are not entertained and therefore leave. You think I am happy about that? How do you think I would feel if I had to pay a TAX on top of that? Make the game fun and people will stay, but you will never punish them into participating.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:28:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DCs loses a million ISK Newbies will be so happy. Why don't we try and address the reasons people are leaving first, rather than trying desperately to punish people who try to escape rampant protostomps? Use the internet poker site logic. First few DC's: no problem. A habit in convenient places? User BBQ. "Today I have been feeling mostly smug." KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:33:00 - [14] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we can do this: You can leave the battle twice,then the the third time comes around you gain a -2% isk and sp loss that can stack to -10% just complete battles to remove 2% from the thing unless you want to not earn the full sp and isk This will still not deter people from leaving battle who have plenty of ISK or those who collect paychecks from their Corporation.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:34:00 - [15] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DCs loses a million ISK Newbies will be so happy. Why don't we try and address the reasons people are leaving first, rather than trying desperately to punish people who try to escape rampant protostomps? I see more people leave when they see certain maps or find themselves on a team that can't find their way out of the redline. I see people leave a lot when they realize they are going up against a squad of people in your Corporation.
Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:41:00 - [16] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. GAME IT IS A GAME...NOT A JOB. Realize that the people on your team owe you nothing. They are here for their entertainment, and if they are not entertained they have the right to leave. You need to address the reasons that they are not entertained and therefore leave. You think I am happy about that? How do you think I would feel if I had to pay a TAX on top of that? Make the game fun and people will stay, but you will never punish them into participating. You are leaving because you aren't "entertained" aka, you aren't good enough to hold your ground. By leaving, you are messing with my entertainment. Now, I'm not the type of guy who leaves battle just cuz we are losing. Let's say I was however, I would be messing with someone else's "entertainment" who would do the same thing and cause a domino effect. Personally, I don't care about your "entertainment" because for all I see it as is you worryin about your kdr. Edit: the game was perfectly "fun" back during early uprising when ppl would fight. To make the game "fun" again we need ppl to participate. The only way for this to happen is through punishment. Ik doesn't sound right and ik it sounds like I'm saying "enjoy the game or else..." But it is only so that the rest of us can enjoy the game Chicken is good
Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:52:00 - [17] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we can do this: You can leave the battle twice,then the the third time comes around you gain a -2% isk and sp loss that can stack to -10% just complete battles to remove 2% from the thing unless you want to not earn the full sp and isk This will still not deter people from leaving battle who have plenty of ISK or those who collect paychecks from their Corporation. Then why not increase the punishment fee by the amount of isk you have? If you're broke, you pay 2% in the first punishment lvl. If you're rich you pay 10% in the first punishment lvl Chicken is good
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 304	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:05:00 - [18] - Quote Mahmun wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. GAME IT IS A GAME...NOT A JOB. Realize that the people on your team owe you nothing. They are here for their entertainment, and if they are not entertained they have the right to leave. You need to address the reasons that they are not entertained and therefore leave. You think I am happy about that? How do you think I would feel if I had to pay a TAX on top of that? Make the game fun and people will stay, but you will never punish them into participating. You are leaving because you aren't "entertained" aka, you aren't good enough to hold your ground. By leaving, you are messing with my entertainment. Now, I'm not the type of guy who leaves battle just cuz we are losing. Let's say I was however, I would be messing with someone else's "entertainment" who would do the same thing and cause a domino effect. Personally, I don't care about your "entertainment" because for all I see it as is you worryin about your kdr. Edit: the game was perfectly "fun" back during early uprising when ppl would fight. To make the game "fun" again we need ppl to participate. The only way for this to happen is through punishment. Ik doesn't sound right and ik it sounds like I'm saying "enjoy the game or else..." But it is only so that the rest of us can enjoy the game Ok my ILLITERATE friend: I never said I leave, I let you know why people do. They are not here to make your game more enjoyable. Grow up and realize what you want is not necessarily what they want. They leave because they are not having fun. It is a game and that is the point. They should leave if its not fun for them. This is not a job or an obligation. They owe you nothing just as you owe them nothing. They are mercenaries and choose to fight when they want and leave when they want. I don't like leaves either, but they have the perfect right to do so. If you don't like it then leave as well...from the game. Any online game has leavers. Its just the way it is. Punishing them is not going to make them stay. It only makes them eventually stop playing all together, and with 2000+/- concurrent logins the game will die if they leave. For the record this game is about as "fun" as it always was. It just has a woefully small player base now. Sorry you are spoiled and think that this is messing with your entertainment, but kid you are owed nothing by anyone who plays this game. HTFU and get used to it. Also, try reading a post for comprehension....sound out he words if you have to. Then you won't make the same mistake your last post was.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 304	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:12:00 - [19] - Quote The only penalty you ever need is the inability to join another match until the one you left has ended. If you try to join a game then you are put right back in the one you left if space is available. Otherwise, you and your squad if you are in one waits on the bench. That's the only real penalty you can impose. Anything else is foolish and overbearing on new players or too light on vets. As a side note, if you want to see less leaves watch a low MU game sometime. They stay. Its us high MU players that have the leave issue. Fix the reasons people leave and they will stay. You really can't punish people into enjoying a GAME.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:19:00 - [20] - Quote Mahmun wrote: Summa Militum wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we can do this: You can leave the battle twice,then the the third time comes around you gain a -2% isk and sp loss that can stack to -10% just complete battles to remove 2% from the thing unless you want to not earn the full sp and isk This will still not deter people from leaving battle who have plenty of ISK or those who collect paychecks from their Corporation. Then why not increase the punishment fee by the amount of isk you have? If you're broke, you pay 2% in the first punishment lvl. If you're rich you pay 10% in the first punishment lvl I would have to know how much and how often people get paid from Corporations before I can assess what would be a good percentage, but even then I would probably be against it. ISK management is apparently very difficult for new players and I wouldn't want to complicate that even more for them.

Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:20:00 - [21] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. GAME IT IS A GAME...NOT A JOB. Realize that the people on your team owe you nothing. They are here for their entertainment, and if they are not entertained they have the right to leave. You need to address the reasons that they are not entertained and therefore leave. You think I am happy about that? How do you think I would feel if I had to pay a TAX on top of that? Make the game fun and people will stay, but you will never punish them into participating. You are leaving because you aren't "entertained" aka, you aren't good enough to hold your ground. By leaving, you are messing with my entertainment. Now, I'm not the type of guy who leaves battle just cuz we are losing. Let's say I was however, I would be messing with someone else's "entertainment" who would do the same thing and cause a domino effect. Personally, I don't care about your "entertainment" because for all I see it as is you worryin about your kdr. Edit: the game was perfectly "fun" back during early uprising when ppl would fight. To make the game "fun" again we need ppl to participate. The only way for this to happen is through punishment. Ik doesn't sound right and ik it sounds like I'm saying "enjoy the game or else..." But it is only so that the rest of us can enjoy the game Ok my ILLITERATE friend: I never said I leave, I let you know why people do. They are not here to make your game more enjoyable. Grow up and realize what you want is not necessarily what they want. They leave because they are not having fun. It is a game and that is the point. They should leave if its not fun for them. This is not a job or an obligation. They owe you nothing just as you owe them nothing. They are mercenaries and choose to fight when they want and leave when they want. I don't like leaves either, but they have the perfect right to do so. If you don't like it then leave as well...from the game. Any online game has leavers. Its just the way it is. Punishing them is not going to make them stay. It only makes them eventually stop playing all together, and with 2000+/- concurrent logins the game will die if they leave. For the record this game is about as "fun" as it always was. It just has a woefully small player base now. Sorry you are spoiled and think that this is messing with your entertainment, but kid you are owed nothing by anyone who plays this game. HTFU and get used to it. Also, try reading a post for comprehension....sound out he words if you have to. Then you won't make the same mistake your last post was. You say the game is fun. I don't understand... whenever I go into a game, it is either a stomp on us or us stomping them to nothing. To me this game has lost its "fun" but not completely and I wish to play this game to the end. If you feel that there is a better solution to fix people leaving matches, then I'm all ears. Right now, to my view, punishment is the only way. Ik I'm wrong, and so tell me. Tell me how would one make this game "fair." To be honest, I may have been harsh in this post. Also, there are some matches in which there is actually a good fight. Your next point is my grammar. My apologies if they don't live up to your expectations of your vision on every human being. That, and I'm doing this from a phone. Autocorrect gets everyone no matter how good you are. Chicken is good
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 304	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:27:00 - [22] - Quote Mahmun wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Mahmun wrote: Make ppl have to pay to extract themselves from battle. Make it an unruly amount. How much is unruly? Idk. What do u guys think? Like it? Complete BS? Needs something? Just feel like saying something random? Lemme know bellow. Edit: same goes for afkers. If you get kicked from battle you also have to pay money. Altogether, it makes sense. Think about it. You sign up to fight for a side. Then you decide to leave. The ppl who you were just fighting for are gonna ask for compensation cuz u just wasted their time. And ik that some smart ass is gonna say "we'll I never signed up to fight for a specific side in pubs" well guess what? U did. By pressing the "search for battle button," you just agreed to be put into a random battle by Scotty matchmaking AI and that you will fight. That is all I have to say. GAME IT IS A GAME...NOT A JOB. Realize that the people on your team owe you nothing. They are here for their entertainment, and if they are not entertained they have the right to leave. You need to address the reasons that they are not entertained and therefore leave. You think I am happy about that? How do you think I would feel if I had to pay a TAX on top of that? Make the game fun and people will stay, but you will never punish them into participating. You are leaving because you aren't "entertained" aka, you aren't good enough to hold your ground. By leaving, you are messing with my entertainment. Now, I'm not the type of guy who leaves battle just cuz we are losing. Let's say I was however, I would be messing with someone else's "entertainment" who would do the same thing and cause a domino effect. Personally, I don't care about your "entertainment" because for all I see it as is you worryin about your kdr. Edit: the game was perfectly "fun" back during early uprising when ppl would fight. To make the game "fun" again we need ppl to participate. The only way for this to happen is through punishment. Ik doesn't sound right and ik it sounds like I'm saying "enjoy the game or else..." But it is only so that the rest of us can enjoy the game Ok my ILLITERATE friend: I never said I leave, I let you know why people do. They are not here to make your game more enjoyable. Grow up and realize what you want is not necessarily what they want. They leave because they are not having fun. It is a game and that is the point. They should leave if its not fun for them. This is not a job or an obligation. They owe you nothing just as you owe them nothing. They are mercenaries and choose to fight when they want and leave when they want. I don't like leaves either, but they have the perfect right to do so. If you don't like it then leave as well...from the game. Any online game has leavers. Its just the way it is. Punishing them is not going to make them stay. It only makes them eventually stop playing all together, and with 2000+/- concurrent logins the game will die if they leave. For the record this game is about as "fun" as it always was. It just has a woefully small player base now. Sorry you are spoiled and think that this is messing with your entertainment, but kid you are owed nothing by anyone who plays this game. HTFU and get used to it. Also, try reading a post for comprehension....sound out he words if you have to. Then you won't make the same mistake your last post was. You say the game is fun. I don't understand... whenever I go into a game, it is either a stomp on us or us stomping them to nothing. To me this game has lost its "fun" but not completely and I wish to play this game to the end. If you feel that there is a better solution to fix people leaving matches, then I'm all ears. Right now, to my view, punishment is the only way. Ik I'm wrong, and so tell me. Tell me how would one make this game "fair." To be honest, I may have been harsh in this post. Also, there are some matches in which there is actually a good fight. Your next point is my grammar. My apologies if they don't live up to your expectations of your vision on every human being. That, and I'm doing this from a phone. Autocorrect gets everyone no matter how good you are. Like I posted earlier. All you have to do is make it impossible to join another game until the one you leave is finished. Boredom is a universal motivator. Taking new players ISK for being DCed or a pittance from a vet for leaving will not fix the situation. Making them sit around waiting will. They might as well stay if they can only rejoin the match they were in or wait till it is finished. The only issue is then they will just MCC and redline camp.
Mahmun Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 56	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:32:00 - [23] - Quote [/quote] Like I posted earlier. All you have to do is make it impossible to join another game until the one you leave is finished. Boredom is a universal motivator. Taking new players ISK for being DCed or a pittance from a vet for leaving will not fix the situation. Making them sit around waiting will. They might as well stay if they can only rejoin the match they were in or wait till it is finished. The only issue is then they will just MCC and redline camp.[/quote] What if they dc? Or what if Scotty keeps matching the two teams against each other and one team keeps losing? That could also cause players to leave because they can't escape a particular group. Chicken is good
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 315	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:41:00 - [24] - Quote If they DC they get to connect to the game they left and pick up where they left off. If they leave then they just have to wait the 15-20 minutes until the game ends before they can search for a new match. It just means a 15-20 minute timeout for guys who leave a game for no good reason. It also means if you get Dced you can rejoin the game in progress. It fixes both sides of the problem. Accidental DCes are not punished and can get back into a left game if space is available, and K/D worried leavers have to wait on the sidelines to look for another game if they dodge a queue. No one is stuck unless they are intentionally trying to avoid a match.


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