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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Press Attache wrote:

On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta.

The Turtle class CV.0

3 x Complex Hardener
1x Complex Extender
1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster

1x Complex CPU and PG

Make them call out a tank to stop you.

You mean expensive coffin with no additional benefits?

You stop the regen of the shield and its dead, even if you use that booster if it actually works which is not certain it will start the shield recharge but another hit from AV can stop it and you are down a booster and back to square one, add in the new multipliers and all AV and even non AV such as a ******* knife which i use to spread butter on my toast will cause damage and kill it even quicker.

Just dont show the battery when you run away because now it is even easier to OHK a tank with a FG, the BFG used to do that anyways and that was at prototype but now with the new multipliers even easier.

Also forgot to mention the CPU/PG modules are actually a must have for any fit in most cases because HAV and also ADS are lacking in PG/CPU but that is also CCP fault since they removed various skills which allowed us more PG/CPU or PG/CPU saving on some modules. That is right vehicles rely on these modules, they are not an option but a must have to even have any kind of decent tank.

Also suicide LAV can kill that also.

With the buffer of the extender and an always on hardener, getting one shot is remote.

By staying mobile, hit chances go down, and swarms can be regen tanked.

Honestly, it is a beast anti infantry fit, and pairing it with either another one just like it, or even better a high dps rail fit, and you can wipe the board.

Take it for a spin before you judge it.

CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''

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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.10.10 21:09:00 - [1] - Quote So it is that time of the year where vehicles get another tuning and generally it is in the wrong direction as per usual. Quote: 1. Gallente HAVs are very strong due to Hardener/Repair combo 2. Caldari HAVs are not strong enough comparatively 3. Dropships are ok, Caldari need a PG buff (not in this hotfix) but Swarms are too strong 4. Dedicated AV in the form of a Minmando with Swarms or otherwise, can definitely suppress HAVs and area deny Dropships, but rarely destroy vehicles. 1. We had this many many moons ago, we had active repair modules which could rep back 6k in armor over a period of time and they worked but got removed completely due to a stupid rebalance, we had active armor hardeners which were perfectly fine but again got reworked for bad players. 2. Welcome back to 2013/14 where after months and months of feedback from vehicle pilots who kept on repeating telling CCP that Caldari wasnt good enough compared to the Gallente and you only just figure this out and the kicker is you even did a vehicle rework and still got it wrong and still do. 3. Dropships are okay - Wrong again, as a pilot nothing renders unless i am directly on top of them which means i cannot see where the threats are and that includes swarms chasing my ass catching me up consistantly which still do not render. 3a. About 4 years too late for this buff but then again you did take away the Vehicle engineering skill which used to provide 5% per level to PG so you caused the problem yourself yet again. 3b. Swarms are too strong - Slow clap, do they render yet? No good if i cant see where they are being fired from, do they still go through walls? No good if i cannot use cover, do they do 720deg spins on the spot and set off at max speed? do they still have terrible tracking where they track where the vehicle used to be then follow where the vehicle went to which means it can avoid cover? 4. Bollocks - It is easy if you are not a bad player, dropship pilots dont even see you until the last moment because you do not render and your swarms are broken anyways with avoiding cover, going through walls, not rendering etc Quote: So instead of trying to tweak our way out of this, I propose a radical skill-based solution. Simply increasing the weak spot on HAVs considerably will allow dedicated AV and other vehicles to use positioning, speed and skill to heavily change the outcome of each encounter without having an effect on Dropships. Skill based is not swarms, skill based is not AV grenades, skill based is not auto homing weapons which a blindman can operate and not miss. Even the FG is nice and easy to use, by increasing the weakspot it makes it even easier to kill HAVs and they are already easy to kill. As for speed the majority complain they are too fast, as for positioning it is not like i get a damage reduction for angling my HAV and for skill you must be joking, i can aim with my blaster and the dot so you remove it and make it RNG based, i can control 6 active modules so you remove half of them and nerf the rest while nerfing vehicles and the module count. There is no skill involved anymore you made it casual and nerfed anything intresting into the ground or flat out removed it. Quote: Thirdly, changing all Explosive Weapons to deal full damage to HAVs, making the Breach Mass Driver a potent AV weapon in the hands of a Minmatar Commando. Same thing for Assault HMGGÇÖs and Nova Knifes. Have you heard the quote 'Don't bring a knife to a gunfight' well now its 'Bring a knife to a HAV fight' because why not, they already ignore lore on such a massive scale that vehicles are screwed anyways so what does it matter when every weapon on the field can damage a HAV, did you see that Al-quaeda member rip apart that Challenger II tank with a knife but failed when they fired 70 RPGs at it? Quote: All this extra damage potential towards HAVs is met with a strong buff for Caldari HAVs in the form of increased recharge rates and decreased recharge delays. The Gallente HAVs are strong enough to deal with it. Not really since once the shield damage threshold has been reached it will not recharge any shield which still makes it very weak where as the Madrugar will continue to rep through damage once again. Quote: Finally, reducing the Swarm Launcher lock-on range, hit impact and turning radius should improve the quality of life of Dropship users, and somewhat for HAVs. Deja-Vu I still cannot believe it that vehicles back in 2011 are still better in everyway than the vehicles which are here now. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 1	Posted - 2015.10.10 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Called it lol ..how come I see this coming every time and i say hey it's a bad idea and they do it anyways .. Oh wait we are talking about ccp Isn't this so irritating to watch ccp do the same thing repeatedly while the player base screams itself to death U said it deja..vu pc master race PORT IT CCP
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 471	Posted - 2015.10.10 22:28:00 - [3] - Quote I don't tank anymore but Pythons need fixed badly..incubus isn't too bad but as you said nothing renders till I'm holding the enemies hands..and the whole me getting hit by any type of AV makes me lose control of my ads needs fixed.. CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:01:00 - [4] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: I don't tank anymore but Pythons need fixed badly..incubus isn't too bad but as you said nothing renders till I'm holding the enemies hands..and the whole me getting hit by any type of AV makes me lose control of my ads needs fixed.. CCP too busy breaking HAVs so there is no chance they will even look to fixing ADS but you are spot on with the problems, expect a hotfix in 2 years time admitting that they know about the problem but will continue to do nothing about it. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 18:10:00 - [5] - Quote caldari HAV is utter trash. especially since the hardener nerf python is complete garbage, basically no bonus, low ehp, hardener nerf makes it pointless, no afterburner without sacrificing huge ehp/booster/hardener, recharge delay Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2015.10.11 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote The vocal minority of pilots might as well not exist as far as the community is concerned. That's not how you do the delicate act of balancing a game with vehicles and anti-vehicle weapons.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 200	Posted - 2015.10.11 19:48:00 - [7] - Quote On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.10.11 19:56:00 - [8] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: caldari HAV is utter trash. especially since the hardener nerf python is complete garbage, basically no bonus, low ehp, hardener nerf makes it pointless, no afterburner without sacrificing huge ehp/booster/hardener, recharge delay Again i agree. It has all been said before numerous times. 'In space no one can hear you scream, in CCP no one can hear vehicle pilots' CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 488	Posted - 2015.10.11 20:14:00 - [9] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: caldari HAV is utter trash. especially since the hardener nerf python is complete garbage, basically no bonus, low ehp, hardener nerf makes it pointless, no afterburner without sacrificing huge ehp/booster/hardener, recharge delay Again i agree. It has all been said before numerous times. 'In space no one can hear you scream, in CCP no one can hear vehicle pilots' My Python got rammed twice yesterday..CCP really think Ima call out an ads when I have to deal with AV and someone trying to ram me and me losing 400k every time..look for AV so I can kill them gets rammed by a normal dropship and you insta die cuz Python..idk bout tanks but ads is completely worthless nothing more than something to steal your wallet CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2015.10.11 21:06:00 - [10] - Quote Press Attache wrote: On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. Why take out a tank when all you need is a plasma cannon?

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.10.11 21:18:00 - [11] - Quote Press Attache wrote: On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. You mean expensive coffin with no additional benefits? You stop the regen of the shield and its dead, even if you use that booster if it actually works which is not certain it will start the shield recharge but another hit from AV can stop it and you are down a booster and back to square one, add in the new multipliers and all AV and even non AV such as a ******* knife which i use to spread butter on my toast will cause damage and kill it even quicker. Just dont show the battery when you run away because now it is even easier to OHK a tank with a FG, the BFG used to do that anyways and that was at prototype but now with the new multipliers even easier. Also forgot to mention the CPU/PG modules are actually a must have for any fit in most cases because HAV and also ADS are lacking in PG/CPU but that is also CCP fault since they removed various skills which allowed us more PG/CPU or PG/CPU saving on some modules. That is right vehicles rely on these modules, they are not an option but a must have to even have any kind of decent tank. Also suicide LAV can kill that also. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 200	Posted - 2015.10.11 21:53:00 - [12] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Press Attache wrote: On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. You mean expensive coffin with no additional benefits? You stop the regen of the shield and its dead, even if you use that booster if it actually works which is not certain it will start the shield recharge but another hit from AV can stop it and you are down a booster and back to square one, add in the new multipliers and all AV and even non AV such as a ******* knife which i use to spread butter on my toast will cause damage and kill it even quicker. Just dont show the battery when you run away because now it is even easier to OHK a tank with a FG, the BFG used to do that anyways and that was at prototype but now with the new multipliers even easier. Also forgot to mention the CPU/PG modules are actually a must have for any fit in most cases because HAV and also ADS are lacking in PG/CPU but that is also CCP fault since they removed various skills which allowed us more PG/CPU or PG/CPU saving on some modules. That is right vehicles rely on these modules, they are not an option but a must have to even have any kind of decent tank. Also suicide LAV can kill that also. With the buffer of the extender and an always on hardener, getting one shot is remote. By staying mobile, hit chances go down, and swarms can be regen tanked. Honestly, it is a beast anti infantry fit, and pairing it with either another one just like it, or even better a high dps rail fit, and you can wipe the board. Take it for a spin before you judge it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 200	Posted - 2015.10.11 21:54:00 - [13] - Quote JudgeIsABadPilot wrote: Press Attache wrote: On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. Why take out a tank when all you need is a plasma cannon? In what world are you getting of 4 plus PLC rounds against a blaster tank? Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.10.11 21:57:00 - [14] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Press Attache wrote: On man, you guys haven't got hip to the new meta. The Turtle class CV.0 3 x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Extender 1 x Enhanced Heavy Booster 1x Complex CPU and PG Make them call out a tank to stop you. You mean expensive coffin with no additional benefits? You stop the regen of the shield and its dead, even if you use that booster if it actually works which is not certain it will start the shield recharge but another hit from AV can stop it and you are down a booster and back to square one, add in the new multipliers and all AV and even non AV such as a ******* knife which i use to spread butter on my toast will cause damage and kill it even quicker. Just dont show the battery when you run away because now it is even easier to OHK a tank with a FG, the BFG used to do that anyways and that was at prototype but now with the new multipliers even easier. Also forgot to mention the CPU/PG modules are actually a must have for any fit in most cases because HAV and also ADS are lacking in PG/CPU but that is also CCP fault since they removed various skills which allowed us more PG/CPU or PG/CPU saving on some modules. That is right vehicles rely on these modules, they are not an option but a must have to even have any kind of decent tank. Also suicide LAV can kill that also. With the buffer of the extender and an always on hardener, getting one shot is remote. By staying mobile, hit chances go down, and swarms can be regen tanked. Honestly, it is a beast anti infantry fit, and pairing it with either another one just like it, or even better a high dps rail fit, and you can wipe the board. Take it for a spin before you judge it. I have driven it, i have AV killed it. It still is subpar against any Madrugar fit which btw could also kill both tanks. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
The KTM Duke You Got Killed By a Guy With Framerate Drops 961	Posted - 2015.10.11 22:08:00 - [15] - Quote I was going to bet on the return of taka&spiker after tanks nerf, i would be even richer...those framerate drops made me impossible to find the way though. // H0riz0n Unlimit // FOTM Gallente Assault since 28/7/2013. Regressed to Pubstar level
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 200	Posted - 2015.10.11 22:44:00 - [16] - Quote I don't know about that Taka. Who did you kill that was driving that fit, what did you use, who was helping you? Of course, how you knew their fit would be a better question. It's only subpar against Maddie's when you don't take advantage of the strengths of the shield tank. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.


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