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Shayn Revitas
Wassaebinn Corps
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Posted - 2015.10.10 17:14:00 -
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I have been trading in the game and found the whole process to be unsafe for those who are too trusting and naive. I think if there were a few safeguards and features that could protect either party (sender and receiver) from bad transactions.
1. Sent Log - I think it would make it a lot easier if a log of sent items and ISK for accounting purposes. Such as if items are sent to a different player by mistake or the quantity of items and ISK are disputed, then this log would provide a simple reference to verify trades.
2. Transaction Holds - In the case of large transactions in item and ISK. The option of a transaction hold would give either party time to consider their transactions. The hold duration would be at a players discretion, this would give the receiver a notification that ISK or items are on the way and their compensation is required. Such a feature would show a person has the goods and ISK to complete the transaction.
3. In addition to No. 2 - The trade transaction should include an invoicing protocol, where upon items and ISK being sent, a list of required ISK or items is attached to the invoice and when the receiving party accepts and confirms the requested amounts the invoice withdraws the items and ISK from the players account and sends them to the sender of the invoice.
I believe the trading feature of the game is a great way of acquiring items and these features would only make it more safe and enjoyable for new players and older more experienced ones.
Peace!
"Qui Nimium Probat, Nihil Probat"
Translation:
"He who proves too much, proves nothing.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.10 18:06:00 -
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Just remember that what you are describing is almost exactly what Eve Online has. Eve has a multitude of ways to do any number of transactions with another player. They are:
1. Buy & Sell Order Market for every region throughout New Eden where the value of any items being bought and sold varies from region to region.
2. Courier Contracts where players haul secured containers who have to pay collateral in case the container, which holds the stuff belonging to the player who made the contract, doesn't make it to its destination within a specific time frame.
3. WTB (Want to Buy) Contracts and WTS (Want to Sell) Contracts which are self explanatory.
4. Trade Window which requires both buyer and seller to be present at the same time.
5. Item Exchange Contracts which are very much similar to the trade system we have now but gives the player freedom of whether or not they want anything in return. This is perfect for moving stuff around between alts.
But despite all of these systems in place. Regardless of how difficult or practically impossible it looks to scam someone or rob them of their hard earned ISK or assets, Eve Online players are still able to get around these features and CCP still allows them to get away with it because no rules were technically broken. The only thing these features have accomplished is to make sure that only the most clever scammers succeed and that makes it even more unnerving because then the scammers can take advantage of a certain level of complacency that some players have.
On top of that, because regional markets also exists, that enables skilled scammers to take advantage of distance between two star systems which become one of many factors that go into the pricing of items.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.10.10 18:35:00 -
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You are probably asking yourself "how is it possible for anyone to scam anyone in a market window?"
Well, two things.
Regional markets are one of them. Remember each regional market will have a different value of the same item usually because of the laws of supply and demand in that specific region. Sometimes, there item is not even available at all because no one has bothered to sell it there or ask for it there and the nearest regional market that might have it is usually far enough away from their ratting or mission running system that they don't feel compelled to go all the way out there and back for one item. This often leads to buyers not being aware of the true value of an item like that if they do need it. A scammer can take advantage of that by overpricing the item in a way that isn't suspicious.
A scam like that works by posting multiple buy/sell orders at varying prices that look like they are competiting against each other in the region but in reality they are the same person pretending to be many players. And since you cannot see who is buying or selling until you actually complete the order for them, you won't know that fell into a trap until it's too late. However, you can get around this by purchasing 1 unit from each individual order and compare your notes from the wallet to see if they are the same person. But even that doesn't always work as players can use alts.
Margin Trade scams are also another trick that scammers have. It's a bit complicated to explain, but basically you take advantage of the price difference of the same item in two different regions. This is aimed towards regular margin traders who haul stuff from region to region on a daily basis.
Let's say I go to one system and setup of a sell order with a very cheap-looking cost. Keep in mind I can use alts to manipulate the prices of the competing orders. Then I go to another system in a completely different region and manipulate the market there to make it look like someone is willing to pay a ridiculous amount of ISK for the same item at a price well above the sell order cost of the first region. Some poor soul buys up my cheap-looking (but actually are still expensive) items, moves them to the second region with the potentially lucrative buy orders but then sees the buy order disappear as soon as he/she tries to complete them but the items are still in that poor soul's hangar and the ISK has not come in. That poor soul fell for a typical margin trade scam and it is perfectly legal.
But this is hard to pull off. Again, Eve Online requires you to be a clever scammer.
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