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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.05 15:37:00 -
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As a long time SMG fan, I am a bit concerned by the changes for the SMGs in Hotfix FoxFour. Let's look at the stats.
Ishukone ASMG - 68 CPU, 11 PG
DPS - 400 hp/s
Optimal - 27m
Effective - 46.2 m
Clip - 90 (113 on Min Assault)
Boundless Breach SMG - 57 CPU, 10 PG
DPS - 384 hp/s
Optimal - 25 m
Effective - 44 m
Clip - 72 (90 on Min Assault)
Kaalakiota Magsec SMG - 49 CPU, 10 PG
DPS - 406.5 hp/s
Optimal - 44 m
Effective - 63 m
Clip - 58
Charge time is reduced to 0.1 s which is, in all practical senses, nothing.
The magsec will have greater DPS than all the SMGs and over 60% more range. On top, now the ASMG has both higher DPS and range compared to the breach SMG!? Everything is literally backwards  Im not sure if you've just gotten lazy but this just won't balance out well. The ASMG will return to the undisputed king of all SMGs and the magsec will outclass even the ASMG.
The Magsec did need a buff, but if you're going to buff it to that level you need to adjust the other SMGs accordingly, especially considering the range discrepancy. |
Asad Thahab-Jabal
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.10.05 15:40:00 -
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Have you seen the recoil on the MagSec? That thing walks up like a ************. Also 0.1s charge up is still more than the 0.0s the SMG can offer.
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Loyal Glasses
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.05 16:46:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:As a long time SMG fan, I am a bit concerned by the changes for the SMGs in Hotfix FoxFour. Let's look at the stats. Ishukone ASMG - 68 CPU, 11 PGDPS - 400 hp/s Optimal - 27m Effective - 46.2 m Clip - 90 (113 on Min Assault) Boundless Breach SMG - 57 CPU, 10 PGDPS - 384 hp/s Optimal - 25 m Effective - 44 m Clip - 72 (90 on Min Assault) Kaalakiota Magsec SMG - 49 CPU, 10 PGDPS - 406.5 hp/s Optimal - 44 m Effective - 63 m Clip - 58 Charge time is reduced to 0.1 s which is, in all practical senses, nothing.The magsec will have greater DPS than all the SMGs and over 60% more range. On top, now the ASMG has both higher DPS and range compared to the breach SMG!? Everything is literally backwards Im not sure if you've just gotten lazy but this just won't balance out well. The ASMG will return to the undisputed king of all SMGs and the magsec will outclass even the ASMG. The Magsec did need a buff, but if you're going to buff it to that level you need to adjust the other SMGs accordingly, especially considering the range discrepancy.
The Breach SMG was too close to the Magsec this is a good thing.
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.05 16:54:00 -
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^ You have no idea what you're talking about. The breach SMG was only favored because it has the highest DPS. |
MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
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Posted - 2015.10.05 17:48:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:^ You have no idea what you're talking about. The breach SMG was only favored because it has the highest DPS.
You mean the absurdly massive damage per magazine and effective amount of ammunition, right?
Cause I'm pretty sure it has the lowest dps of smgs, though not by much |
Chimichanga66605
Vader's Taco Shack
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Posted - 2015.10.05 17:54:00 -
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Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote:Have you seen the recoil on the MagSec? That thing walks up like a ************. Also 0.1s charge up is still more than the 0.0s the SMG can offer.
I'm very curious as to what you got censored.
Can I get any hints?
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Nestil
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:00:00 -
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The MagSec will be the new ASCR of Sidearms... Don't forget the Caldari Assault will get a kickback reduction, if that will work on Sidearms too than it can get ugly :P
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:03:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:^ You have no idea what you're talking about. The breach SMG was only favored because it has the highest DPS. You mean the absurdly massive damage per magazine and effective amount of ammunition, right? Cause I'm pretty sure it has the lowest dps of smgs, though not by much
It currently has those things and the highest DPS. |
CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:06:00 -
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CCP have never been able to balance things in accordance. The pendulum swings wildly. It sometimes makes you think that they must be on some sort of amazing drugs.
I wouldn't mind some actually  
This is the turning point, the rising of the tide.
No fear inside
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CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:08:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:^ You have no idea what you're talking about. The breach SMG was only favored because it has the highest DPS. You mean the absurdly massive damage per magazine and effective amount of ammunition, right? Cause I'm pretty sure it has the lowest dps of smgs, though not by much It currently has those things and the highest DPS.
By only a few DPS but when it has all of the other benefits as well.....
Seriously it should go like this.
Vanilla SMG - middle ground.
Assault SMG - higher DPS with less range than vanilla
Breach SMG - lower DPS with more dmg per clip and slightly higher range (compared to vanilla)
That way all three have a purpose. I mean it really isn't hard at all yet it seems to be complicated for CCP / CPM?
This is the turning point, the rising of the tide.
No fear inside
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
386
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:13:00 -
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I prefer no other side arm more than the SMG. Guns will be nerfed and buffed till this game ends but Mercs like myself know that regardless of how the stats change your gun game must stay strong.
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