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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.27 20:43:00 -
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I'm sorry to say, but I have not agreed with giving "direct-pay" ISK to combatants in Faction Warfare matches.
 Getting paid with ISK (and LOTS of it) ought to be the attraction of Planetary Conquest activities.
Getting paid a reaonably-modest "X" amount of ISK for joining matches should be part of Public Matches, because it makes sense to give all general players an activity where they can have casual fun 'playing for money.
 But FW matches ought to be heavily biased toward "Fighting for the Honor of the Race", and the "RACE" you agree to fight for should NOT be giving you ISK, neither as payout for participating, nor as reimbursement of gear you've lost in the match.
In its place, "INDIRECT-pay" ISK should be heavily increased in FWs. The scrap, warbarge components, and decryptor keys should be included heavily (perhaps exclusively?) in every FW battle report. If you want ISK from your FW matches, you should get it by taking the extra steps to resell or trade off your FW salvage loot. 
The ISK you make from reselling your FW salvage should be slightly more than what you typically get in your Pub Contract salary. (But of course, even the ISK resale profit from FW shouldn't be anywhere as high as your payment from a PC battle.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2015.09.28 00:01:00 -
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I used to be like you..... in the end the more lore I read on the subject the more it became apparent that the core tenets of FW are that you are nothing more than a contractor hired by your faction. You are not a member of the that faction nor that corporation that has hired you, CONCORD mandates have seen to it that you are a neutral entity.
Earning ISK is half the point of FW seeing as winning is incredibly difficult and the conflict never ends.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Hector Carson
DOOMSLAYERS O DUST
The Empire of New Eden
266
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Posted - 2015.09.28 02:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I used to be like you..... in the end the more lore I read on the subject the more it became apparent that the core tenets of FW are that you are nothing more than a contractor hired by your faction. You are not a member of the that faction nor that corporation that has hired you, CONCORD mandates have seen to it that you are a neutral entity.
Earning ISK is half the point of FW seeing as winning is incredibly difficult and the conflict never ends.
Plus you only get ISK 20% based on what you lose in combat, this can be confirmed by a CPM
Logistics mk.0
Commando mk.0
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
450
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Posted - 2015.09.28 02:25:00 -
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The ISK Paid is a refund of a percentage of your losses, meaning that it is almost impossible to break even unless you use LP gear.
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
788
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Posted - 2015.09.28 11:54:00 -
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Hector Carson wrote:True Adamance wrote:I used to be like you..... in the end the more lore I read on the subject the more it became apparent that the core tenets of FW are that you are nothing more than a contractor hired by your faction. You are not a member of the that faction nor that corporation that has hired you, CONCORD mandates have seen to it that you are a neutral entity.
Earning ISK is half the point of FW seeing as winning is incredibly difficult and the conflict never ends. Plus you only get ISK 20% based on what you lose in combat, this can be confirmed by a CPM
It's 20% of your losses if your faction loses or 40% if you win, or am I mistaken?
Purifier. First Class.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:07:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Hector Carson wrote:True Adamance wrote:I used to be like you..... in the end the more lore I read on the subject the more it became apparent that the core tenets of FW are that you are nothing more than a contractor hired by your faction. You are not a member of the that faction nor that corporation that has hired you, CONCORD mandates have seen to it that you are a neutral entity.
Earning ISK is half the point of FW seeing as winning is incredibly difficult and the conflict never ends. Plus you only get ISK 20% based on what you lose in combat, this can be confirmed by a CPM It's 20% of your losses if your faction loses or 40% if you win, or am I mistaken?
The only way you're really profiting is using LP suit fits. Because their ISK value is equal to ISK fits but the actual ISK cost is a fraction of normal.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I used to be like you..... in the end the more lore I read on the subject the more it became apparent that the core tenets of FW are that you are nothing more than a contractor hired by your faction. You are not a member of the that faction nor that corporation that has hired you, CONCORD mandates have seen to it that you are a neutral entity.
Earning ISK is half the point of FW seeing as winning is incredibly difficult and the conflict never ends.
Eve does not receive direct ISK payouts for faction activity and it works really well.
Unfortunately we can not remove ISK until the majority of items become tradable so that income can actually be generated from running a faction.
I could get into how this would work with Eve examples but you know exactly what I am talking about and everyone else would scream this is not Eve.
++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
661
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:02:00 -
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'm observing some good conversation here, and True Adamance's perception of us just being disposable contractors for hire by the Lore Races is the image I accepted from day-one of reading about New Eden,... and I LIKE it.
New Eden's contempt for us as "neurologically unstable miscreants that need to be contained in a modlen-heath penitentiary, yet potentially useful dogs of war" is expressed by how much we were "denied" as even existing for so long. And if the Races' refused to pay us direct ISK for our Faction battles, that would reinforce the logical concept even more.
Hence, players should turn to the higher PC matches as the place for the ultimate profits (where wealthy Capsuleer players will agree to pay some ultra-ISK for doing a job for them.)
 Keep in mind, I am not suggesting we eliminate ISK-gain in FW matches. Just to REPLACE the ISK-paycheck in FW, with a dynamic where the player must spend after-match time browsing through their after-match salvage and broken scrap, and making anywhere from small-to-large ISK profit by reselling/trading what she got as salvage. More satisfaction comes into play, where using your head and making trading-connections gives player bragging rights that she makes HUGE ISK profit from selling her FW salvage cleverly, while players not as shrewd, or relying solely on Jara Kumora to do it for them, will only be able to make a moderate-size profit.
....With a constant flow of "sell my salvage from FW" going on, it can ramp up the intrigue of honest/scammer trading of our salvage to one another, and make the trading-part of this game more New Eden furious than even the shooting-part of it.
Removing the ISK-payout and generously adjusting the FW salvage rate will allow us a way to get ISK reward.
 How BIG the reward will be up to the selling-cleverness of the player, instead of playing FWs with that comfortable feeling that "they'll put a check in my hand just for showing up and completing the match"
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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