DUST Search - So HAV operators , what do YOU think of the changes ?

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Murder Medic wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Murder Medic wrote:

The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass

So if it has extra gunners ( yeah , you know that you could put gunners on an ADS .. right ??? ) that will make it all the more difficult .

This is not a pilot pity party thread hence the title .

Save that for someone else or start YOUR own thread , I'm looking for HAV operators to chime in .

You whined about ADS, so you got a response about ADS.

You can put a side blaster on all day long, it doesn't change that you have to be in AV grenade range to deal damage to infantry with it, and if you can't kill a dropship that's hovering at that range (with reduced tank for said blaster), you're ******* terrible and should feel bad.

I'm going to report you now , I gave you a chance and I really want to see if CCP will be quick to do something like they would if someone reported me .

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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:59:00 - [1] - Quote I think HAV's got screwed again , now more effects to YOUR role and less for dropship pilots . I can do both and quite well might I add but this just reeks of so much bias . I'm glad that the mass driver ( yeah I already know which type so Ii don't need the correction ) finally gets to be a part of the AV game and rightfully so , along with the flaylock but to increase the weak spot and allow the percentage of damage .?. it just seems worthless to operate a HAV now more then ever and again , cowing down to dropship pilots . Swarm lock on range reduction , so now more then ever it will be worthless to carry a swarm and actively reduce the threat of an ADS farming infantry because now you have to be much closer but all the while they can just pound you with missiles and now with a buffed up blaster , rip you to shreds . Proxy mines , AV grenades , Forges , Swarms , Nova Knives , Breach Mass Drivers , Core grenades , Flaylock pistol's , Packed explosives , PLC's and Assault HMG's all target HAV's ... ( I forgot LAV's ) along with other HAV's , ADS's and DS's while what do DS's have to worry about .?. Forges , Swarms ( we will see how this will work ) and PLC's .?. it just seems like it will be great to be a pilot and suck to be a HAV operator now more then ever . Think I will fly again and make those I spot in the skies lives a living hell , hell nothing will be able to touch me and most of these pilots are straight garbage so this seems more like a buff for the skill less then the skilled . You can start your foolishness all you want and come and talk about rants , I will report you if you do and if CCP calls this a rant post then , it just shows their bias to any that talk out about changes made . Why give criticism if it's going to be fought against .?. everyone will not agree with everything that you do , so stop trying to police people and their opinion . You allow people who blatantly label their post with " RANT " and you allow trolls ( some of your CPM are the biggest trolls ) but you just can't take constructive criticism .?. that should change if you want anything substantial to come out of anything that you do . There is always two sides to events and actualities . What do YOU think HAV operators .?. how will this change your game and tactics because in my eyes , you guys / girls got screwed . Teamwork is really important -* said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Asad Thahab-Jabal Incorruptibles 159	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote I know this is off topic, but what the ** kind of puncuation is .?.** exactly? I have heard of the -+ being used in written Spanish. What does .?. even mean? Ripley Riley is on safari until Oct 9th. I will represent him until he returns.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote I just wonder , how many people will ACTUALLY be able to cause ANY damage to a DS , much less an ADS with NK's , FP's , MD's , PM's , CG's and anything else that has far less range then what's in front of them ? Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:06:00 - [4] - Quote The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass The simple fact is that if even ONE competent AV Incubus pilot is on the field, no other ADS will be able to operate comfortably in the match, and that same Incubus will have virtually no impact on infantry play.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:06:00 - [5] - Quote Asad Thahab-Jabal wrote: I know this is off topic, but what the ** kind of puncuation is .?.** exactly? I have heard of the -+ being used in written Spanish. What does .?. even mean? Just something that I do like a pause instead of creating another sentence , like a question in a sentence without the sentence ending . I don't see anyone else doing this so I'm sure you wouldn't know what it means and I'm sure for the grammar / spelling / punctuation police , it's just not right . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
REDBACK96USMC Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 246	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:07:00 - [6] - Quote When they offered respecs, I immediately took one to get out of HAV's. Why? Because good aim wasnt rewarded anymore. Now with the damage multipliers being kicked back up for hitting weak points, Forges/Turrets when used properly can take down that pesky Gv.0 no problem. Good aim once again matters in AV and V vs V. The rest of it I am kind of Meh about.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:09:00 - [7] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass So if it has extra gunners ( yeah , you know that you could put gunners on an ADS .. right ??? ) that will make it all the more difficult . This is not a pilot pity party thread hence the title . Save that for someone else or start YOUR own thread , I'm looking for HAV operators to chime in . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:11:00 - [8] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: When they offered respecs, I immediately took one to get out of HAV's. Why? Because good aim wasnt rewarded anymore. Now with the damage multipliers being kicked back up for hitting weak points, Forges/Turrets when used properly can take down that pesky Gv.0 no problem. Good aim once again matters in AV and V vs V. The rest of it I am kind of Meh about. That's what I'm looking for and I seen someone asking for a PLC increase to the weak spot as well . To me it just seems to be useless to operate a HAV now more then ever . Add the air threats to the ground threats and you just won't have a fun or substantial time to be effective at all . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Murder Medic wrote: The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass So if it has extra gunners ( yeah , you know that you could put gunners on an ADS .. right ??? ) that will make it all the more difficult . This is not a pilot pity party thread hence the title . Save that for someone else or start YOUR own thread , I'm looking for HAV operators to chime in . You whined about ADS, so you got a response about ADS. You can put a side blaster on all day long, it doesn't change that you have to be in AV grenade range to deal damage to infantry with it, and if you can't kill a dropship that's hovering at that range (with reduced tank for said blaster), you're ******* terrible and should feel bad.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:15:00 - [10] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Murder Medic wrote: The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass So if it has extra gunners ( yeah , you know that you could put gunners on an ADS .. right ??? ) that will make it all the more difficult . This is not a pilot pity party thread hence the title . Save that for someone else or start YOUR own thread , I'm looking for HAV operators to chime in . You whined about ADS, so you got a response about ADS. You can put a side blaster on all day long, it doesn't change that you have to be in AV grenade range to deal damage to infantry with it, and if you can't kill a dropship that's hovering at that range (with reduced tank for said blaster), you're ******* terrible and should feel bad. I'm going to report you now , I gave you a chance and I really want to see if CCP will be quick to do something like they would if someone reported me . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .

Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:16:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Murder Medic wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Murder Medic wrote: The fact that you would even suggest that a 25m reduction to lockon range will somehow allow a front mounted ADS blaster to "rip you to shreds" just solidifies what I already know: you're just talking out your ass So if it has extra gunners ( yeah , you know that you could put gunners on an ADS .. right ??? ) that will make it all the more difficult . This is not a pilot pity party thread hence the title . Save that for someone else or start YOUR own thread , I'm looking for HAV operators to chime in . You whined about ADS, so you got a response about ADS. You can put a side blaster on all day long, it doesn't change that you have to be in AV grenade range to deal damage to infantry with it, and if you can't kill a dropship that's hovering at that range (with reduced tank for said blaster), you're ******* terrible and should feel bad. I'm going to report you now , I gave you a chance and I really want to see if CCP will be quick to do something like they would if someone reported me . You reported me for posting a comment in response to something you said in your own thread, of which my comment is entirely on topic. You're a class act. No wonder no one takes you seriously. And for the record, I have max HAV skills, so......
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:18:00 - [12] - Quote I'm tired of you people thinking that you can deride any thread that you choose . This is for a gage on HAV operators , not a troll post and I just won't allow it . I WILL REPORT ANY WHO DO , you don't like it be an adult and just ignore it or have something constructive to add . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:19:00 - [13] - Quote If it's an HAV thread, then why is almost half of your OP directed at ADS?
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 412	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:29:00 - [14] - Quote If your a HAV pilot you never garner sympathy. People either say your OP or incredibly hard to kill. Never mind the fact that the vehicle may cost in proto form equivalent to 9 of my proto logi suits.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 412	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:32:00 - [15] - Quote Ultimately how will this affect my performance? Keep your distance from infantry and keep mobile. That's the best way to survive.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: If your a HAV pilot you never garner sympathy. People either say your OP or incredibly hard to kill. Never mind the fact that the vehicle may cost in proto form equivalent to 9 of my proto logi suits. Thank you for your feedback . That's another thing that will probably need to change now , prices .. but I just don't believe that any have given that any thought . I know I didn't until you just mentioned it . Will HAV costs reduce now from these changes because your adding more weakness to a role so will they have a adjustment in the prices because now it will be far more easier to destroy a HAV on the field . I just believe after these changes , more will have to be made to balance the effect of said changes . Maybe it will not be that drastic but looking at it on paper and hearing Rattati speak about it , it just doesn't sound pretty for HAV operators . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:41:00 - [17] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Ultimately how will this affect my performance? Keep your distance from infantry and keep mobile. That's the best way to survive. Sounds like it to me , I know some HAV operators that just look for HAV's and not to farm infantry but in turn , any scout can now move close to you , undetected and create havoc on a HAV all alone . I know I didn't have much problem in my Cal Logistic with PLC , AV grenades and PM / P-RE's . To me , it just doesn't look good for anyone specializing in HAV use . I know while piloting ADS's I would just hover over them and blast them ( I could solo a HAV in my ADS ) and they could do nothing but run , that's not fun for the user at all to have someone or someone's just negate your playstyle that you have invested most if not all of your SP's in . I guess because I specialize in AV I just didn't see vehicles as much of a threat as say someone who doesn't , I know how to handle them but it just looks like it has become all too easy now . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 412	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:44:00 - [18] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: If your a HAV pilot you never garner sympathy. People either say your OP or incredibly hard to kill. Never mind the fact that the vehicle may cost in proto form equivalent to 9 of my proto logi suits. Thank you for your feedback . That's another thing that will probably need to change now , prices .. but I just don't believe that any have given that any thought . I know I didn't until you just mentioned it . Will HAV costs reduce now from these changes because your adding more weakness to a role so will they have a adjustment in the prices because now it will be far more easier to destroy a HAV on the field . I just believe after these changes , more will have to be made to balance the effect of said changes . Maybe it will not be that drastic but looking at it on paper and hearing Rattati speak about it , it just doesn't sound pretty for HAV operators . I can live with them being expensive, I mean it's either a tank or ADS but much of the player base doesn't believe that both the cost in isk or SP to which vehicles are a sink for both should match in performance in KDR or survivability yet a full blown infantry fitting is expected to perform. Like I said it's an uphill battle trying to argue for vehicles. That's a reason I run suits as well.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:50:00 - [19] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: I can live with them being expensive, I mean it's either a tank or ADS but much of the player base doesn't believe that both the cost in isk or SP to which vehicles are a sink for both should match in performance in KDR or survivability yet a full blown infantry fitting is expected to perform. Like I said it's an uphill battle trying to argue for vehicles. That's a reason I run suits as well. Yeah , vehicles were the thing that attracted me to this game . I fly and use to operate HAV's but became more of a pilot ... just seemed more peaceful in the skies . Far less to worry about . I have always tried to talk about balance for HAV's and vehicles vs anti-vehicle since it's what peaked my interest . I just bring this up now because like snipers , HAV operators are just so hated , I don't know why .. if you have anti-vehicle and use it , it's just not hard to deal with them at all , most of the problems come when players simply don't change their tactics to address the threat . Sometimes things are changed because of this making it easier for the skill less or lazy and harder for those dedicated to a particular role . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:53:00 - [20] - Quote To me , this just seems like one of those times . I guess after a month after the fix drops , we all will see . I'm just trying to get a feeling of what HAV operators are thinking because you guys / girls might look at the changes and just drop that aspect of the game and the game it's self and to me that's not what would be good , we already have little to no number growth and more players leaving is just not good . I would understand why it would happen and maybe if we could give discussion to and about this , this could be avoided . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .



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