As one of the oldest dedicated pilots in this game, I'd be fine with being locked to my ship once it hits 0. So long as passengers can bail at any point.

Too often are we cheated out of a hard earned kill

I forgot how much skill Swarms take to use.

The militia DS's are fairly easy to kill, even if we still are cheated out of the actual kill. The ADS'es are the real tough nuts

The militia DS's are fairly easy to kill, even if we still are cheated out of the actual kill. The ADS'es are the real tough nuts, and while I think they need to have their service ceiling lowered to bring them into range of something other than another ADS, they are supposed to be harder to kill than the militia versions. But I want my kills.

Too often are we cheated out of a hard earned kill

I forgot how much skill Swarms take to use.

I never bail out of DS anymore.
When I did.... they would just land on me anyway.

Down with the ship I say.

DS"s are a lot like every other vehicle. They can be nearly impossible to kill if they have a decent pilot that is willing to run at the first sign of trouble. It takes 3-4 shots of almost any AV weapon capable of hitting a DS to kill them. Even without a booster a DS can be out of range or behind a building within two with ease. Frankly I kind of feel swarms aren't nearly deadly enough. It's pretty easy for an ADS to kill a swarm user or just run before they are taken down. An ADS can one shot most infantry while it takes constant fire to take down an ADS.

Plus what most people fail to consider is that there are no advanced or proto level ADS, it's the basic one. It should go down like a paper airplane, every other basic suit or vehicle does. They need to put in proto level ADS"s and then people can complain about dying to easy.

As for the no kills, yeah it's annoying. Though you can get the +75 damaged bonus rather easy with drop ships, and quite often too since they recover so quickly. Half the time you don't even get the 75 bonus for destruction and only get a vehicle kill assist for 50, even when your the only person shooting at the DS.

Well, at least as much as HAV's and LAV's does.

Too often are we cheated out of a hard earned kill, because the pilot ejects before hitting the ground, and if he's still killed after that, we barely even get a kill assist.

When armor hits 0 on all suits, HAV's and LAV's, we die promptly. Why are DS'es different?

I still want to see them crashing to the ground burning, but I'm a bit tired of always getting cheated out of that coveted +50 kill, on top of a measly +75 (DS type) destruction.

I forgot how much skill Swarms take to use.

Dude it's super hard to lock on to a dropship, jump into your lav and speed away

I mean you have to get out, press the trigger to lock on, get back into your LAV and press the gas pedal to drive away. Ain't nobody got time for that.

That takes tons of skill

like I said, apples to oranges.

as in two dissimilar and nearly unrelated things. You did understand the analogy, no?

We are not comparing gunlogis to madrugars, we are comparing two very distinct classes, which have almost nothing to do with each other. A drop ship is not a flying tank, or a flying lav. Every time you ask "why aren't they treated the same", I wonder how many times i have to spell it out that they are not the same at all.

They have different destruction conditions. so what? dropsuits get revives, tankers with massive ehp/ damage output get to jump out as they please, pilots are manueverable? (less manueverable than swarms they are supposed to out manuever) and bail when their ship is going down.

different unique classes have their unique advantages and disadvantages.

I don't see why this is so hard to get people to understand.

What I think is funny is how a DS is invincible once it has been 'destroyed'..

I forgot how much skill Swarms take to use.

Wow. Worst thread ever.

Let me guess. ADS pilot?