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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.09.05 03:17:00 -
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It's considered treason in most countries to escape battle when under order not to.
Make it so that in order to leave you have to spend 1-2 minutes in game as a 'nomad'.
As a nomad you only have acess to your top 5 meta level suits. Both sides can kill you, and when they do, they get your fit as salvage. You appear on all tacnet. No scans needed. Cloaks won't avoid above Redzone isn't allowed for nomads Vehicles have no timer lock. They can be stolen by any side immediately. Hacking objectives renders them into a neutral state. Kills get you nothing. Hacks get you nothing. Equipment only serves you. Spawning is ambush style, randomly chosen. You can only run and hide. After 1-2 minutes you'll be sent back to your warbarge. If you dc during this time, you lose 10,000 sp from the pool.
My logic here is that this is completely avoidable, and so this won't punish those who normally 'dc' from the quitters.
Why not turn your system off, emm kay? Because ccp can actually tell if your dc was intentional. An end of stream termination is much different than an exceptional termination.
If you're caught with multiple EOS disconnects, you'll start to receive said punishment. This rule can be petitioned if you're an exception.
You CAN go negative on your free sp.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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DDx77
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.09.05 05:17:00 -
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Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
It has to go, it has caused all this leaving battle imbalance crap.
And it's not even good at its job which is matching people up properly
with the current battle system you should be able to leave battle for any reason.
Change the system or have special contracts and then implement these ideas
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
621
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Posted - 2015.09.05 06:26:00 -
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GǪ...
Matchmaking (I supposeGǪ) is going to be like the Aim-Assist: Long after it's been installed, and the majority of the playing population has let it settle in and no longer be their whipping subject, there will be players who still blame it for a lot of random problems, from lag, to wrong colors on the Amarr laser beams, to sudden lack of snow on the maps anymore.
Matchmaker took a long time to come into beingGǪ it's not going to be taken away. MOST of you wouldn't last very long enjoying the game, if it WERE taken away.
But there isn't any need to devise a "punishment" for excessive leaving of battles. EVE-Dust 514 is an EVE game, so AS MANY THINGS as possible should be regulated by that ole taxing/percentages/standings mechanism. If I CHOOSE to leave a battle (which by the way, as a player, I SHOULD always have the right to leave a match any time I wish), it should be at a "tax" or detriment to:
GǪmy WEALTH: by letting me pull the "abandonment" card maybe two times a day, but after that REDUCING my LP points by a good 2500 or so. 2500 from EACH Race in my Standings chart.
ORGǪ my LOYALTY STANDING itself: by causing a 20% drop in my own Racial standing. If I'm Gallente, my Gall race views my constant abandonment as a sign of an undedicated warrior, so my reputation with the Gallente Race should drop.
ORGǪ my bad habit displayed in a new line on my Player Info screen, so that other players who are looking for recruits for their corp can SEE the % of matches that player left in mid game.
ORGǪ my LOYALTY RANK should begin to go backwards, at twice the rate of what you could possibly buy back with Aurum.
This allows me to weigh whether I should ditch my team again today, or whether I've done it enough today, and can't afford to lose any more of my New Eden standing.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.05 07:53:00 -
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DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks.
How is this an improvement?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
3
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Posted - 2015.09.05 08:03:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks. How is this an improvement? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Indeed.
Any chance you can take a look at older iterations on the matchmaking and what they changed over time? Somewhere over there is the answer to all of our problems.
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood RUST415
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Posted - 2015.09.05 11:48:00 -
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emm kay wrote:It's considered treason in most countries to escape battle when under order not to.
We're not soldiers sworn to an oath of service, we're hired mercs, and mercenaries get to review the terms of a contract (allies, enemies, area of battle, etc) BEFOREHAND, and get to CHOOSE whether they accept the contract or not based on those terms. Until we get to see who we're siding with, who we're facing, and where, BEFORE we get into a match, you can't even THINK about penalizing anyone. |
Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana
462
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:11:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks. How is this an improvement? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. https://youtu.be/KwY28rpyKDE
BUILD MORE FARMS!
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana
462
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:13:00 -
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if i get punished for afking then how can i afk my games? ill still be able to but i frequently run a match turn off my tv hope scotty does his job and earns me a first win. all while playing games on my computer. but i do still play a little.. i dont care if i get kicked half the time even with me my team isnt able to win.... and im really good....
BUILD MORE FARMS!
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
619
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Posted - 2015.09.05 13:13:00 -
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Fristname Family name wrote:if i get punished for afking then how can i afk my games? ill still be able to but i frequently run a match turn off my tv hope scotty does his job and earns me a first win. all while playing games on my computer. but i do still play a little.. i dont care if i get kicked half the time even with me my team isnt able to win.... and im really good....
This makes you part of the problem.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Ghost Hyperhex
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.09.05 13:22:00 -
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emm kay wrote:It's considered treason in most countries to escape battle when under order not to.
Make it so that in order to leave you have to spend 1-2 minutes in game as a 'nomad'.
As a nomad you only have acess to your top 5 meta level suits. Both sides can kill you, and when they do, they get your fit as salvage. You appear on all tacnet. No scans needed. Cloaks won't avoid above Redzone isn't allowed for nomads Vehicles have no timer lock. They can be stolen by any side immediately. Hacking objectives renders them into a neutral state. Kills get you nothing. Hacks get you nothing. Equipment only serves you. Spawning is ambush style, randomly chosen. You can only run and hide. After 1-2 minutes you'll be sent back to your warbarge. If you dc during this time, you lose 10,000 sp from the pool.
My logic here is that this is completely avoidable, and so this won't punish those who normally 'dc' from the quitters.
Why not turn your system off, emm kay? Because ccp can actually tell if your dc was intentional. An end of stream termination is much different than an exceptional termination.
If you're caught with multiple EOS disconnects, you'll start to receive said punishment. This rule can be petitioned if you're an exception.
You CAN go negative on your free sp.
*Oh my squad members got scottied* Sorry guys, if I leave, I'll get punished so everyone leave squad and abandon me. Oh, I'm being punished for 2 min? Let me run to a part of the map that nobody goes to for two minutes and camp there until my punishment is over. Oh I lost 10,000 sp? Let me just stomp in my next game so I still gain more sp than I lost. *I have to go somewhere or do something important, I can't finish this game* Oh I'm getting heavily penalized for no good reason? Goodbye Dust *Oh we have this stupid penalty?* Let me create a forum topic suggesting getting rid of it. I'll get a bunch of likes and it will be gone.
People need to stop it with the Draconian style laws, they're a waste of effort and would never be applied with most players agreeing to it. I hate it when like half my team leaves at the start too. But there are games when that doesn't happen. There are always going to be issues like those. The problem isn't "punishing them for leaving" but giving them a better motivation for staying.
When my dropsuit is broken and rusted off, I'll pick up the pieces and blanket the fallen. I am Ghost Hyperhex
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana
462
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Posted - 2015.09.05 14:09:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Fristname Family name wrote:if i get punished for afking then how can i afk my games? ill still be able to but i frequently run a match turn off my tv hope scotty does his job and earns me a first win. all while playing games on my computer. but i do still play a little.. i dont care if i get kicked half the time even with me my team isnt able to win.... and im really good.... This makes you part of the problem. pshhhhh.... no.. only sometimes.... Its not like joining into a ambush and not getting killed makes my team lose.. it helps cause i would die alot trying to punch people lol
but yeah i actually do play the game and when i afk i get kicked and someone else joins problem solved.. ill join a game and leave next time and make sure im not afking to keep you happy. I would rather see a 0/0 blue berry than a 0/20 5wp blue berry cause this way i know he wasnt feeding wp for a orbital or being a ****** but just afk or joined late.
and they main reason I afk is because i need to get my dust fix also i want to play my pc at the same time while trying to not think about killing myself irl. so pretty much i just bounce between multiple consoles to escape from the world.
BUILD MORE FARMS!
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emm kay
Direct Action Resources
387
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Posted - 2015.09.05 14:42:00 -
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Ghost Hyperhex wrote:
*Oh my squad members got scottied* Sorry guys, if I leave, I'll get punished so everyone leave squad and abandon me. Oh, I'm being punished for 2 min? Let me run to a part of the map that nobody goes to for two minutes and camp there until my punishment is over. Oh I lost 10,000 sp? Let me just stomp in my next game so I still gain more sp than I lost. *I have to go somewhere or do something important, I can't finish this game* Oh I'm getting heavily penalized for no good reason? Goodbye Dust *Oh we have this stupid penalty?* Let me create a forum topic suggesting getting rid of it. I'll get a bunch of likes and it will be gone.
People need to stop it with the Draconian style laws, they're a waste of effort and would never be applied with most players agreeing to it. I hate it when like half my team leaves at the start too. But there are games when that doesn't happen. There are always going to be issues like those. The problem isn't "punishing them for leaving" but giving them a better motivation for staying.
1) getting scottie'd is easily detectable. and you never really enter the game. 2) that's why you show up on all tacnet, for all to see. 3) a game takes what 15 minutes? if you can't complete a 15 minute game, you've got scheduling issues. or kids. 4):-( it's true.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
625
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Posted - 2015.09.05 14:45:00 -
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Fristname Family name wrote:Devadander wrote:Fristname Family name wrote:if i get punished for afking then how can i afk my games? ill still be able to but i frequently run a match turn off my tv hope scotty does his job and earns me a first win. all while playing games on my computer. but i do still play a little.. i dont care if i get kicked half the time even with me my team isnt able to win.... and im really good.... This makes you part of the problem. pshhhhh.... no.. only sometimes.... Its not like joining into a ambush and not getting killed makes my team lose.. it helps cause i would die alot trying to punch people lol but yeah i actually do play the game and when i afk i get kicked and someone else joins problem solved.. ill join a game and leave next time and make sure im not afking to keep you happy. I would rather see a 0/0 blue berry than a 0/20 5wp blue berry cause this way i know he wasnt feeding wp for a orbital or being a ****** but just afk or joined late. and they main reason I afk is because i need to get my dust fix also i want to play my pc at the same time while trying to not think about killing myself irl. so pretty much i just bounce between multiple consoles to escape from the world.
That got real weird real quick....
But either one (afk/leaving) does nothing to enhance your team. Yes, you aren't hurting by afk, but you aren't helping. This could also be recognized by other blues, and set an unwanted example.
Try a new mode. Try a new suit. But for krins sake try!
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana
467
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Posted - 2015.09.05 14:48:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Fristname Family name wrote:Devadander wrote:Fristname Family name wrote:if i get punished for afking then how can i afk my games? ill still be able to but i frequently run a match turn off my tv hope scotty does his job and earns me a first win. all while playing games on my computer. but i do still play a little.. i dont care if i get kicked half the time even with me my team isnt able to win.... and im really good.... This makes you part of the problem. pshhhhh.... no.. only sometimes.... Its not like joining into a ambush and not getting killed makes my team lose.. it helps cause i would die alot trying to punch people lol but yeah i actually do play the game and when i afk i get kicked and someone else joins problem solved.. ill join a game and leave next time and make sure im not afking to keep you happy. I would rather see a 0/0 blue berry than a 0/20 5wp blue berry cause this way i know he wasnt feeding wp for a orbital or being a ****** but just afk or joined late. and they main reason I afk is because i need to get my dust fix also i want to play my pc at the same time while trying to not think about killing myself irl. so pretty much i just bounce between multiple consoles to escape from the world. That got real weird real quick.... But either one (afk/leaving) does nothing to enhance your team. Yes, you aren't hurting by afk, but you aren't helping. This could also be recognized by other blues, and set an unwanted example. Try a new mode. Try a new suit. But for krins sake try! No..... i dont wanna.. krins sake :P i have all game modes selected i hit square and turn off my tv when i afk.... i dont get any sp from games i afk and minimal isk is given....
BUILD MORE FARMS!
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.09.05 16:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks. How is this an improvement? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The thing is, leaving battle became a big problem immediately after the matchmaker was put in. The two are correlated somehow.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
628
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Posted - 2015.09.05 16:58:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks. How is this an improvement? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The thing is, leaving battle became a big problem immediately after the matchmaker was put in. The two are correlated somehow.
Because people just want to stat pad?
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 18:10:00 -
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emm kay wrote:As a Mercenary Contractor you can "Reserve the Right to Refuse Service". Should you decide to do so during a contracted engagement, using the "leave contract" button should initiate the following:
Make it so that in order to leave you have to spend 10 minutes in game as a 'nomad'. During the first 30 seconds you'll be able to spawn on formerly blue CRU's, after that, "random" ambush style. Redline spawns will have a 30 second timer to exit before termination regardless of redzone spawn location.
As a nomad you only have access to your lowest 3 meta level suits and top 2. Both sides can kill you, and when they do, they get your fit as salvage. You appear on all tacnet. No scans needed. Cloaks won't avoid above Redzone isn't allowed for nomads, once exiting upon spawning any re-entry will initiate a 3 second termination timer. Vehicles have no timer lock. They can be stolen by any side immediately. Hacking objectives renders them into a neutral state. Kills grant +35 and full salvage takes of what/whoever you kill. Hacks get you nothing. Equipment only serves you. Spawning is ambush style, randomly chosen. You can only run and hide without a cloak. After 10minutes you'll be sent back to your warbarge with a 30 minute ban from accepting any other public contracts. Refuse to complete, be refused to reserve. If you "dc" during this time, you lose 100,000 sp from your pool.
Best Game Mode idea in months. +1
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Starlight Burner
Black Screen TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
483
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:51:00 -
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Y'all can go screw each other before I let some more bullsht changes come into the game.
If there was incentives to actually fight, people would continue to fight. DUST514 has ABSOLUTELY ZERO incentives to stay in a rough battle or always try your best.
Fix what's broken not add more punishments. That's how you push people away from ****.
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Thank you for DUST
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:22:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:DDx77 wrote:Instead of creating new elaborate features, kill the problem at its source:
DELETE THE MATCHMAKER
Now say it with me like Arnold:
Deeee-leeeete thuh Maaaatchmaaakaaaahhhhh
This post makes no sense whatsoever when it's already been shown that people will leave rather than face a fight. Deletijg the matchmaker will only serve to enable more protostomping, one-sided sh*tshow matches that see four or so players dominating because they can spam officer and proto gear at will and the rest of the players in match will mostly be hapless berks. How is this an improvement? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Indeed. Any chance you can take a look at older iterations on the matchmaking and what they changed over time? Somewhere over there is the answer to all of our problems. Thing is that they didn't change many things which is the real problem actualy :/
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Ghost Hyperhex
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
29
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Posted - 2015.09.06 13:15:00 -
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emm kay wrote:Ghost Hyperhex wrote:
*Oh my squad members got scottied* Sorry guys, if I leave, I'll get punished so everyone leave squad and abandon me. Oh, I'm being punished for 2 min? Let me run to a part of the map that nobody goes to for two minutes and camp there until my punishment is over. Oh I lost 10,000 sp? Let me just stomp in my next game so I still gain more sp than I lost. *I have to go somewhere or do something important, I can't finish this game* Oh I'm getting heavily penalized for no good reason? Goodbye Dust *Oh we have this stupid penalty?* Let me create a forum topic suggesting getting rid of it. I'll get a bunch of likes and it will be gone.
People need to stop it with the Draconian style laws, they're a waste of effort and would never be applied with most players agreeing to it. I hate it when like half my team leaves at the start too. But there are games when that doesn't happen. There are always going to be issues like those. The problem isn't "punishing them for leaving" but giving them a better motivation for staying.
1) getting scottie'd is easily detectable. and you never really enter the game. 2) that's why you show up on all tacnet, for all to see. 3) a game takes what 15 minutes? if you can't complete a 15 minute game, you've got scheduling issues. or kids. 4):-( it's true.
1)If your squad mates got scottied, it's not your fault. They never enter the game but you do. Most people make squads so that they can play with other people and will leave if their friends didn't get in. But with these "rules", the player sent in would have to finish the battle and the squad would disband.
2) Doesn't change the fact that they can go into a part of the map that nobody goes to and just sits there camping and blasting people while sitting in a corner or in a place where you have an advantage.
3) Ok, I have enough time to complete one last game. oh snap, I forgot I had to show up 20 min early to help set up for the party. Now I have to leave, aww damn now I have to suffer the penalty when I come back. Or "my house is on fire, let me turn off my PS3 and evacuate my home and call 911". My gf is really sick, let me turn off my ps3 and go take her to the hospital. Oh I'm gonna get punished.
Or let me sit afk because something came up then get kicked from battle naturally. Oh, you're gonna punish that too? Then everytime the uplink timers get stuck on 0 infinitely, people will get punished for nothing.
People rage quit, nothing will change that. Just get over it. Draconian rules would just turn people away from playing and cause more problems anytime there's a bug or glitch or even when something comes up. Like I said in my 4th post, so many people would be against it that it would be requested to be removed (and it would because you know, CCP is always listening to the players ^.^)
When my dropsuit is broken and rusted off, I'll pick up the pieces and blanket the fallen. I am Ghost Hyperhex
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