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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.02 20:57:00 -
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As the title says, what are your thoughts about making swarms heavy weapons, and increasing the Mass Driver's efficiency against vehicles to 100% (or thereabouts) and giving the breach MD a small buff?
The impetus for this idea was a complaint that swarms are too mobile - i.e they can go on any suit and be very difficult to pin down - as compared to a Forge Gunner. This change would reduce the maximum possible damage for swarms (By taking them off of damage modded Min Mandos), while also giving light infantry a multi purpose AV weapon to boot
Thoughts?
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Hector Carson
Hellz Gate of Awakening
The Empire of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.09.03 01:06:00 -
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hmmmmm I am intrigued by this idea (I promise this is not a troll I really am interested)
+1
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.03 05:08:00 -
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Thoughts?
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CRO' OLACHAN
Elysium's Electorate
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Posted - 2015.09.03 07:10:00 -
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As a standard ds pilot you have my vote. Swarms are far too mobile and with all the glitches and bugs...(not rendering, no sound, no flashy whatsit) if you aren't lucky any swarms can bring down even 300armor reps a sec ships..I've lost many to just d mod stacked cals and minmandos...only problem is mds become the most common weapons. Av, and amazing Ai potential. As well as area denial..i Dunno.. |
pegasis prime
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.09.03 09:28:00 -
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Swarms were once apon a time. A heavy wepon (they came attached to the dire scentinal bpos) they were also once dumbfire .
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2015.09.03 18:37:00 -
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So people aren't that opposed to the idea then?
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.03 20:15:00 -
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Only the Breach MD should be made an AV weapon, with a buff to direct impact damage, not all MDs.
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2015.09.04 03:12:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Only the Breach MD should be made an AV weapon, with a buff to direct impact damage, not all MDs.
I also think there would be better ways to balance Swarms than to make them Heavy-only. On a Sentinel the Forge would be, hands down, the better AV option so Swarms would be largely sidelined.
What opposition do you have to MDs having full efficiency towards vehicles, and the Breach MD being buffed to be the clear MD choice (Maybe with a 120% efficiency, or s straight damage buff)
Secondly, if swarms were moved on to heavy frames, they would have room for a direct damage buff (as the suits that can use them cannot be damage modded as heavily), as well as room for a class bonus to the weapon, or something like that
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:28:00 -
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So only sentinels can be AV?
Horrible idea.
Tanks are OP enough as it is.
Swarms may be OP against DS, but making them heavy weapons is not the right way to balance things. It only creates an additional constraint to work around when balancing.
I prefer many of the more comprehensive suggestions rather than over simplified narrow nerfs that don't actually fix overall balance.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:34:00 -
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Not to mention if Swarms become a heavy weapon, what Light AV weapon will be useful against Dropships? Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons have a very similar mechanic, and while you can hit dropships, it's very difficult to put enough consecutive hits on a competent pilot to kill them on a reasonable basis.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:00:00 -
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Would this really help with SL mobility though? Most competent AVers use vehicles to get into position anyway. So I really don't see the difference between three Sentinels in an LAV following me around the map or a few Scouts with SLs doing the same thing. I'd actually prefer the Scouts as they are much more likely to be killed by infantry on the way. |
Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:16:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Only the Breach MD should be made an AV weapon, with a buff to direct impact damage, not all MDs.
I also think there would be better ways to balance Swarms than to make them Heavy-only. On a Sentinel the Forge would be, hands down, the better AV option so Swarms would be largely sidelined. What opposition do you have to MDs having full efficiency towards vehicles, and the Breach MD being buffed to be the clear MD choice (Maybe with a 120% efficiency, or s straight damage buff) Secondly, if swarms were moved on to heavy frames, they would have room for a direct damage buff (as the suits that can use them cannot be damage modded as heavily), as well as room for a class bonus to the weapon, or something like that
Limiting the Breach to being the only AV MD means that it has a niche and purpose, while making all MDs AV capable wouldn't help the Breach. People would still take vanilla over the Breach because it would be good against Infantry (while the Breach is lacking) while still being an AV weapon. We're seeing this with the AHMG; AV capability and more reliable hit detection, plus range, is marginalising the vanilla HMG.
A damage buff doesn't necessarily help Sentinels using Swarms, not when the Forge is still a better option; better engagement range, better alpha damage, better ammo capacity, better DPS, ability to use against Infantry in a pinch etc. Buffing the damage would just make Sentinels as bad as Minmanndos, only you trade speed for tank and
resistances. Pretty sure ADS pilots hate engaging AV Sentinels because of our resistances (45% vs splash with Shields up) combined with the ability to dish out 1500 damage every few seconds at ranges up to 300m. And you want to give Sentinels buffed Swarms?
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.09.04 13:45:00 -
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Hector Carson wrote:hmmmmm I am intrigued by this idea (I promise this is not a troll I really am interested)
+1
+1 yet his post has no likes xD genious.
I think make only the Breach MD 100% AV
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:06:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Thoughts?
Meh. HAV buff. Don't think the game needs a HAV buff.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:11:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:So only sentinels can be AV?
Horrible idea.
Tanks are OP enough as it is.
Swarms may be OP against DS, but making them heavy weapons is not the right way to balance things. It only creates an additional constraint to work around when balancing.
I prefer many of the more comprehensive suggestions rather than over simplified narrow nerfs that don't actually fix overall balance.
That's not what OP was getting at. Swarms are the only effective AV as it stands, however there is also the Plasma Cannon.
What OP is suggesting is that Swarms be made into a Heavy Weapon and buffing the Mass drivers damage towards Vechiles turning it into an AV weapon. This will also mean that there are two heavy AV weapons (forge and swarms) and two light AV weapons (Plasma Cannon and Mass Driver). I am for this.
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:35:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:That's not what OP was getting at. Swarms are the only effective AV as it stands, however there is also the Plasma Cannon.
On the Light Weapon side, maybe (and even then the Plasma Cannon is no slouch if you can use it), but Forge trumps Swarms
Jonny D Buelle wrote:What OP is suggesting is that Swarms be made into a Heavy Weapon and buffing the Mass drivers damage towards Vechiles turning it into an AV weapon. This will also mean that there are two heavy AV weapons (forge and swarms) and two light AV weapons (Plasma Cannon and Mass Driver). I am for this.
I'm for the Breach MD being an AV weapon but definitely not for Swarms being moved to Sentinel only. Especially not if they get a buff, since that'd just cause balance problems/not solve anything.
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