If you remove the leave button, your pretty much signing the ultimate death certificate of the game.

Exanple:

Johnny is a new player barely our of the academy, he joins a battle with no squad because he doesn't understand the game mechanics. But he's optimistic because he likes the theme of dust 514.

Johnny ends up on team A, moderately good players but nobody is anywhere near close to proto level except maybe 1 person, while the enemy team has 4 ancient exiles, 4 random guns, 4 Nyan san and 4 el eccinte Rio (I don't know if I spelt that right nut oh well).

Johnny's team is instantly red lined within the first 50 seconds. Nobody on his team is able to match their tactics, equipment level or communication efficiency. Every time someone spawns in they are instantly killed their only choices are to either stay in the MCC or instantly run further into the red line hoping they don't get shot in the process.

Normally in a game like cod, bf or any other game, you have the option to leave a game like that and look for another game that you actually have a chance at winning. So Johnny goes to the overhead screen hoping to find a different game but oh wait, the leave button has been removed from dust. Johnny wonders to himself why would a game like this force it's own players to hate itself. After seeing that within the first 2 minutes everyone on his team had died at least 10 times each and not a single person has a gotten a kill. Johnny waits out the battle hoping to find better ones aftewards. He encounters the same senario for 10 games in a row. Johnny instantly give up on dust altogether, biomass his character and Uninstalls dust.

Later that week at school a few of his friends ask about dust because they heard about it, he explains his experience and recommends they never try it. So they listen and don't bother even looking for it on the psn market.

This process happens about 50 times a day until there are absolutely no new characters being created thus, eliminating dust's growth and slowly every vet decides to leave the game because their tired of fighting against the same people over and over again. Thus dust 514 is finally dead. All because the leave battle button was removed.

This is what will also happen if you attempt to punish people for leaving battles.

No successful game forces it's noobs to be slaughtered constantly by veteran players.

Thus the need for no squads in pubs eliminating the chance of running into multiple squads of vets

Even number of vets on each team, nobody is leaving... Fair battle.

Again if you have to leave ( mom say's time for bed/wife wants nookie ) hit the power button.

Removing squads will eliminate the team nature of dust and pretty much cause more people to quit because they can't hang around with their friends or anything, unless you have something else in mind that would allow me to get into every random fight that one of my directors has.

I don't think I've ever read a thread with the title format "Obvious solution to {insert problem that has caused controversy}" which had particularly good content. This one is no exception.

As many people have pointed out, the match leaving thing is much more nuanced than "remove the ability to leave!" or the similar "punish people who leave!" really consults. There's a much deeper issue with why people leave matches. Why do the game's mechanics create a situation where players frequently have more fun leaving matches than playing them, and how do we fix it? Trying to fix a systemic issue with a slaspdash, bandaid-grade fix doesn't lead to a solution.

Why would you need to coordinate a pub match ?

WTF is a vet anyway .?. vets should be leaders and examples but in this game it's just a hierarchy that provides absolutely nothing , you need to coordinate a pub match .?. really ???

FW and PC I can understand , those are givens ... but a pub match ?

Seriously .

Thanks for actually reading... Most the battles I play are pubs since I primarily play solo.

That being said after two years playing this game it's obvious that when people see who their about to fight and know it won't be easy they don't adapt... They leave. It's pathetic.

If they don't want to play unless it's easy or unnecessary to play in a different style than what their best at maybe this isn't the game for them... But I doubt anyone thinks playing against the same q-sync with unlimited isk over and over with the only option being leave and hope to god you don't run into the tools that enjoy kicking children in the nuts.

Thanks for actually reading... Most the battles I play are pubs since I primarily play solo.

That being said after two years playing this game it's obvious that when people see who their about to fight and know it won't be easy they don't adapt... They leave. It's pathetic.

If they don't want to play unless it's easy or unnecessary to play in a different style than what their best at maybe this isn't the game for them... But I doubt anyone thinks playing against the same q-sync with unlimited isk over and over with the only option being leave and hope to god you don't run into the tools that enjoy kicking children in the nuts.

Dear didn't even read the super abbreviated version...

Remove squads from pubs not the game... Have you heard of factional?

Pub stomping is the reason the game is unpopular in the first place. Wanna talk to the team in a pub?... It's the default setting.

Matchmaking would be simple if you eliminate the huge advantage of squads. Matchmaker is only in pubs I does not exist in fw.

If you can't read the post don't bother replying.

Matchmaking would resolve this if say the 4 a.e. Didn't leave battle when they saw 4 n.s on the other team taking 50% of the combined sp of the team with them.

Enter no squads/no leaving in pubs... Easy for matchmaker, no q-sync excuse for leaving. Even start to finish.

This isn't the only way match leaving happens, though. It's kinda like your waiter at a restaurant- you only notice them if something goes particularly wrong. It's easy to notice when full groups all from the same corporation leave a match simultaneously, but more difficult to keep track of situations where individuals trickle out of matches, or even "quit" without leaving the match by hiding in the red line. Characterizing match leaving as a problem only rampant among "top corp" players isn't quite right from my experience. It's the easy way out to try to simplify an issue that's kinda complicated. If it were simpler, it wouldn't have been going on for so long. As far as matchmaking's concerned, we've had something like 3 changes to the matchmaking engine that have had few universally reported qualitative benefits to match quality.

Put another way: It's a gigantic game design issue if losing 4 people from a team at the beginning of the game only to be filled by others a little bit later completely dooms the team that lost players.

The problem is not the lack of forcing players to stay in the match.

The problem is the lack of incentives to stay.

Pub matches have inconsistent rewards. You win a match, you get paid 150,000 ISK even though you used proto gear. You lose a match while using only standard or advanced gear, you get paid 260,000 ISK. At that point you say to yourself "what the ****?"

FW matches have consistent rewards. You win a match, you get paid a lot of LP plus 40% of the assets you lost is reimbursed to you. Getting killed in an APEX suits doesn't bring you much reimbursement however. Not to mention the increase in standings to the faction you fought for. You will also get salvage. Lots of salvage. You lose a match and you get paid only minimum wage, no standings increase, only 20% of you loses are reimbursed, and you get NO salvage.

Should I also refer you to Jadek Maneheim's idea for addressing this?

Pub payouts are based off what your team destroyed and your wp and scoreboard rank ex...

I destroyed 3 proto tanks averaging 1 million a piece but only scored 1500 wp and got 3rd place also assuming the other team wore decent suits I received almost 800k

Another round http://imgur.com/FloGnAU (rat suit with dual officer rifles) over 5000 wp 1st place and I got just over 270k because I had a group in starter fits running at me like lemmings basically destroying nothing valuable.

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Destroying the good stuff pays.

Try forcing me to use expensive gear on you.

Others are agreeing so I'll quote us...
(Ballistic far shot) wrote:
I saw the below post and I had to scratch my head thinking WTF were they thinking installing a "Leave Battle" button. Originally it wasn't intended to enable these chicken hearts to pull out early. Please read the below post and chirp in whether we should just remove the "Leave Battle" button?

I don't want any troll posts about this not fixing the real problem. If you can't leave, the problem is FIXED. So explain why CCP shouldn't just take away the button. I am looking for Cons, the Pro is that all this leaving non-sense ends ASAP. Then we start discussing improving scotty, not punishing leavers.

I made a new string because I worry CCP Devs only read titles then go in a little. It is why people think they need to insult CCP for a response. I am asking nicely! Pleassssse.


HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:
Premade squads in pubs is why stomps happened in the first place. Enter matchmaker... High mu solo players leave battle as soon as they see one or more squads on the other team leaving that team handicapped and to an almost certain loss. Matchmaking is made pointless.

Remove squads from pubs and matchmaker could build teams faster, remove leave battle option and k/d padding will be very difficult to do without the risk of using factional and being team killed while leaving an option for organization and squading meanwhile possibly increasing interest in factional.

Remove benefits and costs from PC so teams that wish to have an organized competition with their best players can while giving the option to not accept the fight, while removing the billions of isk generated (I know people with billions) and perpetuating officer gear stomps bought and paid for by a never ending river of isk.

"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?

Look at the overall data on leaving matches if that is possible, I'm guessing pubs is the offender.

Remove stat tracking for pubs. (Sorry Duna)

Stat whores go to FW and PC in droves.

No stat tracking means focus on ISK and SP and less stat padding behaviors. People will fight in APEX or BPO more readily knowing that their k/d isn't going to suffer and might be less likely to wear proto when the only rewards are ISK and SP.

i know the stat thing isn't going to fly but i feel like we need to rip the band aid off this broken shyt and attack the root cause which is obviously player ego.

We don't even know what formula CCP uses to calculate the rewards. And your example of the second round paying you only 270,000 ISK is only reinforcing my point.

There needs to be more consistency with the rewards, if not at least more transparency on what the formula is for calculating rewards. FW provides that model of consistency with incentives to stay. And that is the key to solving this problem.

Forcing a player to stay in a 15-20 minute match is just bad game design. If matches were very short like how Splatoon is with their 3-minute matches then yeah I would agree to the whole locked-in-until-you-finish concept. But we are not playing 3-minute matches here in Dust.

There is a very obvious set of actions which will seriously shut down match leaving.

1. Actual incentive to fight and win.

2. A DNF (did not finish) leader board for both players and corps.

There is a very obvious set of actions which will seriously shut down match leaving.

1. Actual incentive to fight and win.

2. A DNF (did not finish) leader board for both players and corps.