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[Veteran_Eldorlon Tharn]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:32:00 -
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does anyone know if we are gonna be able to send ISK from DUST to EVE and the other way around?
so that if you find yourself lacking ISK in DUST your EVE guy can send ISK?
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[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:30:00 -
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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, if I was able to directly send money, i could endlessly fight in maxed out prototype gear almost endlessly which would be awesome....on the other hand everyone who plays EVE would do the same thing, and the people without EVE would be at a significant disadvantage. I'd like to use my ISK from my EVE account, but I dont want it to destroy the game in the process by driving off all non-EVE players |
[Veteran_Iceyburnz]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:33:00 -
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Several devs have said on twitter and interviews that isk from dust and eve will be as interchangeable as it is on eve right now.
But not yet, mainly because dust 514 players are going to be eve standards and the devs are afraid of the buying power of alliances. With an incoming market isk could devalue in dust too rapidly. So my guess is they want to stabilise the player industry and market side of dust first. |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:37:00 -
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Well the big problem is the low prices/ISK gain in Dust right now. The cost of playing Dust is so significantly lower than EVE, that you can buy A LOT in Dust with very little in EVE terms. If the ISK costs of the two games was more comparable, I think it would help to mitigate the problem of massive EVE ISK injections into Dust. |
[Veteran_Alliria Seedspawns]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:42:00 -
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I recently read in some article that was an interview with CCP at E3, where they stated something along the lines of...
"We very much want an Eve player to go to his PS3 friend and say, 'Here's 50 billion isk. Now go get yourself an army'..."
So I would imagine that means you can send unlimited amounts of isk back and forth. My own personal thought is that, just as in Eve, dusters will use their personal isk to start up and run corporations, which in the end will help the newer and non-eve players accumulate isk, helping to keep them in the game. I see duster corps functioning in the same matter as Eve corps, where you need to provide something in order to retain members. I can see the duster corps either providing all the needed gear, so you don't have much use for isk, or supplying you with isk to buy your own gear, or somewhere in between.
I can see it also being a potential avenue for Eve investors. Invest in a duster corp to get them up and running or to supply them with better gear and installations, and you get x% of their isk revenue. I believe there will be some Dust manufacturing of some sort, so perhaps the capsuleers will invest in the dusters to get a percentage of manufacturing profit. Or perhaps dusters will invest in capsuleers to get their gear at lower costs. The possibilities are endless once the manufacturing and isk sharing are in full swing. |
[Veteran_Card Drunook]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:54:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawns wrote:I recently read in some article that was an interview with CCP at E3, where they stated something along the lines of...
"We very much want an Eve player to go to his PS3 friend and say, 'Here's 50 billion isk. Now go get yourself an army'..."
So I would imagine that means you can send unlimited amounts of isk back and forth. My own personal thought is that, just as in Eve, dusters will use their personal isk to start up and run corporations, which in the end will help the newer and non-eve players accumulate isk, helping to keep them in the game. I see duster corps functioning in the same matter as Eve corps, where you need to provide something in order to retain members. I can see the duster corps either providing all the needed gear, so you don't have much use for isk, or supplying you with isk to buy your own gear, or somewhere in between.
I can see it also being a potential avenue for Eve investors. Invest in a duster corp to get them up and running or to supply them with better gear and installations, and you get x% of their isk revenue. I believe there will be some Dust manufacturing of some sort, so perhaps the capsuleers will invest in the dusters to get a percentage of manufacturing profit. Or perhaps dusters will invest in capsuleers to get their gear at lower costs. The possibilities are endless once the manufacturing and isk sharing are in full swing.
I can't remember the exact places I heard it but I recall more than once reading and hearing that the integration between DUST and EVE will be gradual. Meaning that even if eventually EVE players will be able to hand billions of ISK out, it may be several years before that feature is put in. I get the impression that CCP wants DUST to be it's own game along side EVE, not simply an extension of EVE. |
[Veteran_Matrix Owner]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:04:00 -
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I like the way the ISK seems to scale between Dust/Eve right now....
It feels right that a soldiers dropsuit/life and weapons cost 10-25k and a tank 250k-1.5M and a MCC at 300M when comparing to an EVE battleship costing a couple of hundred million, doesn't feel out of place.
Of course I understand the Economic issues with allowing total free flow of ISK between Dust/EVE.... Tough one, but there is no point in putting in anti alliance controls as they will always find a way around it, best objective is to remove the need to transfer huge amounts by putting in a solid PVE/indy side of dust to allow them to generate their own wealth.
Also, regardless of how much ISK is incoming from EVE it is outgoing ISK from the system as it is all eventually destroyed on the battlefield, and lets face it without ISK transfer it's going to be excrutiatingly painful to loose a 300M MCC if you don't get support from EVE.
Basically, this is Beta, they are fine tuning costs etc, but whether I pve in EVE and makes my Dust life easy or I pve in Dust to supply my EVE life, I should have the choice/capability of doing so.
The fact is, the question should not be if ISK transfer should be allowed, but more how do we keep it from giving advantage too and effecting Hisec/interaction with casual or New players. That's a much harder proposition, and I don't know how this is best achieved, you can do this falsely by imposing two tiered game modes that are effectively militia only, having no vehicle modes, but it's difficult in a dog eat dog style game to not have this natural preditorial on the weak and new players.
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[Veteran_Ely Enkouyami]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:10:00 -
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Gene Dravon wrote:I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, if I was able to directly send money, i could endlessly fight in maxed out prototype gear almost endlessly which would be awesome....on the other hand everyone who plays EVE would do the same thing, and the people without EVE would be at a significant disadvantage. I'd like to use my ISK from my EVE account, but I dont want it to destroy the game in the process by driving off all non-EVE players
This is why corporations exist between Dust/EVE players. |
[Veteran_Nova Knife]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:40:00 -
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It will eventually be linked with small bottlenecks to prevent crashing the entire market, then further down the line no limits at all.
However at launch, eve players will not be able to outright send ISK to their dust bunny. It's important for CCP to track and monitor the market before opening the floodgates a bit. |
[Veteran_IgniteableAura]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:21:00 -
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I think they might implement an exchange rate........but ISK should be ISK.
Its the same currency and I imagine it will be that way..............................eventually. |
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[Veteran_bjorn morkai]
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:45:00 -
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why in the hell would you want your poor little dust merc to send money to your EVE pilot overlord...? thats insane beyond belief! Just go mine if you need pocket change so badly!
anyways, i have mixed feelings about sending isk to our guys. because if every eve player is just able to send his guy money, we have no problem buying stuff, and then things get expensive, so the non eve dust players struggle to buy a rifle that costs the same as a freakin tech 2 small autocannon turret. but right now it doesnt feel very hard to get money so while I may send my guy money to pay for tanks and crap, i dont think ill do it very often, as i would actually like to play this game instead of playing dress up with oscar the tank.
although i do have to earn SP somehow... hmm... |
[Veteran_Beers O'Malley]
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:41:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawns wrote:"We very much want an Eve player to go to his PS3 friend and say, 'Here's 50 billion isk. Now go get yourself an army'..."
I could save you 50 billion isk and just train noobs to spam militia swarm launchers  |
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