DUST Search - A question about lore

Immortal John Ripper wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

ninjamonster wrote:

Given that we all are immortal cloned mercs outfitted with the latest gear, how exactly do we aim our scoped weapons (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, except the Sniper Rifle)? Seems like a small thing to fuss about, but just really curious here.

Do we bring our rifles up and simply rely on our scopes just like modern soldiers do? Which I find primitive since our helmets are smart enough to magnify zoom with just a thought (exampled here Operation Highlander Chronicle)

Or does our scopes interface with our helmets like this

Star Wars Battlefront Sight

I know gameplay displays just relying on scopes but I figured gameplay is a bit different from lore just because it'd be too confusing and resource-intensive otherwise.
Mercs in lore can magnify zoom with just a thought, cycle thru X-ray and thermal imaging with just a thought, and even toggle the sight to be a remote camera of sorts (from here on page 68 Ruthless

Thoughts? Eve Online lore team hopefully? Roll

The cop-out response is that there are cameras in or near the sights that allow us to view through them. This was notable with the Closed Beta Assault Rifle, which had an obvious camera optic that wound up getting removed in favor of iron sights... for... some reason....

However, there are some weapons that simply make no sense at all, such as the Mass Driver which looks like it has a red-dot sight way in the back, above the handle.

I just noticed that... WTF is that doing there?? lololol You wouldnt be able to see anything with whats in front of it. Unless hidden gun cameras...

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ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 30	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:38:00 - [1] - Quote Given that we all are immortal cloned mercs outfitted with the latest gear, how exactly do we aim our scoped weapons (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, except the Sniper Rifle)? Seems like a small thing to fuss about, but just really curious here. Do we bring our rifles up and simply rely on our scopes just like modern soldiers do? Which I find primitive since our helmets are smart enough to magnify zoom with just a thought (exampled here Operation Highlander Chronicle) Or does our scopes interface with our helmets like this Star Wars Battlefront Sight I know gameplay displays just relying on scopes but I figured gameplay is a bit different from lore just because it'd be too confusing and resource-intensive otherwise. Mercs in lore can magnify zoom with just a thought, cycle thru X-ray and thermal imaging with just a thought, and even toggle the sight to be a remote camera of sorts (from here on page 68 Ruthless Thoughts? Eve Online lore team hopefully? Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:44:00 - [2] - Quote A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:50:00 - [3] - Quote I miss mah camera scope ;_; "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 32	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:02:00 - [4] - Quote i remember playing with the camera scope...only thing I didn't like was the loss of situational awareness....=P True, I was thinking that except that'll only happen when we raise our rifles (like our raising would trigger that visual data coming in) since not having our rifles raised while aiming would disorient us I'd imagine. Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
GeorgeN76 Vader's-Fist 347	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:07:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! If anyone can answer this question its him ^^^^^ Scouts and Swarms
DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:14:00 - [6] - Quote GeorgeN76 wrote: True Adamance wrote: A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! If anyone can answer this question its him ^^^^^ *It's Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:19:00 - [7] - Quote We actually bring our weapons to our shoulders for the purpose of absorbing recoil and shooting straight irregardless of how we aim. That said. I assume that we aim normally. Except for the Caldari suits. I would say that it is likely that our helmets are linked with our scopes, but it leaves a logic hole when it comes to iron sights. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 33	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:27:00 - [8] - Quote Wait why not the Caldari suits? Just wondering here As for iron sights, I think it's just when we have a scope available that our helmets are linked. We could zoom in with just a thought and still use iron sights although a bit less accurate. And Aztec, I forgot about the recoil thing. Solid point Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
GeorgeN76 Vader's-Fist 348	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:33:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: GeorgeN76 wrote: True Adamance wrote: A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! If anyone can answer this question its him ^^^^^ *It's Its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its Its........ Scouts and Swarms
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:43:00 - [10] - Quote ninjamonster wrote: Wait why not the Caldari suits? Just wondering here As for iron sights, I think it's just when we have a scope available that our helmets are linked. We could zoom in with just a thought and still use iron sights although a bit less accurate. And Aztec, I forgot about the recoil thing. Solid point It's probably because they have no visible optical receivers at first glance but I like to think the face mask has a visual HUD like the big robots in Titanfall. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."

ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 35	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:19:00 - [11] - Quote Im gonna assume all helmets have multiple optical sensors we just cant see since minmatar technically only have one eye. Given that all of our animations involve using the nonexistent right eye... =P Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
howard sanchez Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:55:00 - [12] - Quote The role that nanite play in DUST clone biology is strongly outlined in the novel released by CCP. But you only get some sense of how nanites interact with everything we do in game. My sense (or internal storyline) is that nanites can and do interact with our implant and, therefor, everything about us. This is how auto-aim works. If I turn AA on I'm allowing my nanites to take increased control of my musculature based on information they read from my suit and organic optics. The weapon I'm aiming sends a lot more information into my neural system than just what my eye sees through the scope. AA allows the nanites to guide my musculature in limited ways to guide my aim. We need more lore
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.19 08:39:00 - [13] - Quote ninjamonster wrote: Given that we all are immortal cloned mercs outfitted with the latest gear, how exactly do we aim our scoped weapons (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, except the Sniper Rifle)? Seems like a small thing to fuss about, but just really curious here. Do we bring our rifles up and simply rely on our scopes just like modern soldiers do? Which I find primitive since our helmets are smart enough to magnify zoom with just a thought (exampled here Operation Highlander Chronicle) Or does our scopes interface with our helmets like this Star Wars Battlefront Sight I know gameplay displays just relying on scopes but I figured gameplay is a bit different from lore just because it'd be too confusing and resource-intensive otherwise. Mercs in lore can magnify zoom with just a thought, cycle thru X-ray and thermal imaging with just a thought, and even toggle the sight to be a remote camera of sorts (from here on page 68 Ruthless Thoughts? Eve Online lore team hopefully? The cop-out response is that there are cameras in or near the sights that allow us to view through them. This was notable with the Closed Beta Assault Rifle, which had an obvious camera optic that wound up getting removed in favor of iron sights... for... some reason.... However, there are some weapons that simply make no sense at all, such as the Mass Driver which looks like it has a red-dot sight way in the back, above the handle. Thanks for all the support guys, let's fix Dust 514 :D
Immortal John Ripper 28	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:13:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ninjamonster wrote: Given that we all are immortal cloned mercs outfitted with the latest gear, how exactly do we aim our scoped weapons (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, except the Sniper Rifle)? Seems like a small thing to fuss about, but just really curious here. Do we bring our rifles up and simply rely on our scopes just like modern soldiers do? Which I find primitive since our helmets are smart enough to magnify zoom with just a thought (exampled here Operation Highlander Chronicle) Or does our scopes interface with our helmets like this Star Wars Battlefront Sight I know gameplay displays just relying on scopes but I figured gameplay is a bit different from lore just because it'd be too confusing and resource-intensive otherwise. Mercs in lore can magnify zoom with just a thought, cycle thru X-ray and thermal imaging with just a thought, and even toggle the sight to be a remote camera of sorts (from here on page 68 Ruthless Thoughts? Eve Online lore team hopefully? The cop-out response is that there are cameras in or near the sights that allow us to view through them. This was notable with the Closed Beta Assault Rifle, which had an obvious camera optic that wound up getting removed in favor of iron sights... for... some reason.... However, there are some weapons that simply make no sense at all, such as the Mass Driver which looks like it has a red-dot sight way in the back, above the handle. I just noticed that... WTF is that doing there?? lololol You wouldnt be able to see anything with whats in front of it. Unless hidden gun cameras... One day I am going to be on survivor and I will kick ass. Prayers4RonerGeneral
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:21:00 - [15] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: ninjamonster wrote: Given that we all are immortal cloned mercs outfitted with the latest gear, how exactly do we aim our scoped weapons (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, except the Sniper Rifle)? Seems like a small thing to fuss about, but just really curious here. Do we bring our rifles up and simply rely on our scopes just like modern soldiers do? Which I find primitive since our helmets are smart enough to magnify zoom with just a thought (exampled here Operation Highlander Chronicle) Or does our scopes interface with our helmets like this Star Wars Battlefront Sight I know gameplay displays just relying on scopes but I figured gameplay is a bit different from lore just because it'd be too confusing and resource-intensive otherwise. Mercs in lore can magnify zoom with just a thought, cycle thru X-ray and thermal imaging with just a thought, and even toggle the sight to be a remote camera of sorts (from here on page 68 Ruthless Thoughts? Eve Online lore team hopefully? The cop-out response is that there are cameras in or near the sights that allow us to view through them. This was notable with the Closed Beta Assault Rifle, which had an obvious camera optic that wound up getting removed in favor of iron sights... for... some reason.... However, there are some weapons that simply make no sense at all, such as the Mass Driver which looks like it has a red-dot sight way in the back, above the handle. I just noticed that... WTF is that doing there?? lololol You wouldnt be able to see anything with whats in front of it. Unless hidden gun cameras... It gets even more hairbrained when you think about the Shotgun and how it has an Iron Sight.... but is a crank/lever action that pulls upward with three pneumatic cylinders that prevent the thing from breaking your arm. Which, by the way, if you know anything about mechanics, you'll know that the only way that'd ever work is if those pneumatics applied resistance against the weapon's recoil like a screen-door pneumatic closer. Otherwise it wouldn't do anything to help against recoil and your arm would go flying out of the brace anyway =P And we're not even going to touch on the fact that the crank action is to inject coolant into it and prevent it from exploding in your hands rather than put another charge in xD TL;DR There are a lot of moving parts on the Shotgun for it to have an Iron Sight. Thanks for all the support guys, let's fix Dust 514 :D
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:38:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! I don't think there's an actual answer OP, but this is very much how I imagine it to work... especially for races like the caldari with their full faceplate. It very much seems to work that way with some weapons like the sniper rifle. It's how the eldar operate their guns in warhammer 40k. Just link the camera from the gun itself into the facemask. That said, because we're ULTRA high tech, we probably also have the fallbacks of conventional iron sights and such too, just in case something gets damaged. It varies from weapon to weapon as well, but were we not making abstractions because gameplay the insane passive learning stuff present in new eden would allow us to intuitively calculate every shot by ourselves (in addition to the computers onboard the dropsuits!) and we'd be INCREDIBLY unlikely to actually miss shots... we'd be quickly approaching absolute mechanical perfection and near perfect accuracy with almost any weapon even without actually being able to 'see' what we're shooting at from the gun. Like we transcend equilibrium style gunkata Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.19 09:59:00 - [17] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: True Adamance wrote: A ridiculously interesting question. TO THE SLACK LORE CHANNEL! I imagine we just do something strange like link visual data from the scope through out helmets resulting in the perception we are looking through a rifle scope...... the gesture of raising the rifle perhaps is just muscle memory. Still you have me interested. I MUST FIND OUT! I don't think there's an actual answer OP, but this is very much how I imagine it to work... especially for races like the caldari with their full faceplate. It very much seems to work that way with some weapons like the sniper rifle. It's how the eldar operate their guns in warhammer 40k. Just link the camera from the gun itself into the facemask. That said, because we're ULTRA high tech, we probably also have the fallbacks of conventional iron sights and such too, just in case something gets damaged. It varies from weapon to weapon as well, but were we not making abstractions because gameplay the insane passive learning stuff present in new eden would allow us to intuitively calculate every shot by ourselves (in addition to the computers onboard the dropsuits!) and we'd be INCREDIBLY unlikely to actually miss shots... we'd be quickly approaching absolute mechanical perfection and near perfect accuracy with almost any weapon even without actually being able to 'see' what we're shooting at from the gun. Like we transcend equilibrium style gunkata That..... actually makes a lot of sense.... plus that scene from the movie was awesome. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 10:38:00 - [18] - Quote I think our clones do bring up the weapon to eye sight. CEO of 48SOF Assault Gk.0-Scout Gk.0
Dementia Maniaclease 70	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:16:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: We actually bring our weapons to our shoulders for the purpose of absorbing recoil and shooting straight ""regardless"" of how we aim. That said. I assume that we aim normally. Except for the Caldari suits. 1I would say that it is likely that our helmets are linked with our scopes, but it leaves a logic hole when it comes to iron sights. -ir Had to fix that, IT ISN'T A WORD! Take the high ground!
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:39:00 - [20] - Quote Son, this is what I've been pondering way back since the original Star Wars movie. A scope on a rifle that the stormtroopers couldn't and never do use. And how the heck do you use the scope on this: http://www.restrainingbolt.com/swprops/pics/blasters/han-gk-cantina.jpg And this: http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/bikerscout/images/blaster_kennertoy.jpg CPM RESULTS SUMMERIZED

ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 40	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:06:00 - [21] - Quote MIna, I completely agree since in gameplay having the computer calculate everything would essentially be aim assist.. In lore, I think the helmet displays the targeting solution (where to aim, how long to press the trigger, etc) and it's up to us to actually point the rifle that way and fire. Since we are still technically human, it's only natural for us to raise our rifle to eye level when we shoot. At least, that's how I think it works. On a related note, do capsuleers ever miss their shots? This could help us answer this question. I honestly think we just need more lore specifically for Dust. Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:37:00 - [22] - Quote While we are technically human, we really about as far removed from it as we can get. Yes in gameplay capsuleers can miss their shots (but they have even LESS reason to... prettymuch the only reason it happens is because eve is a game) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
ninjamonster Corrosive Synergy No Context 40	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote So we can technically just hipfire all the time and use camera sights and the computer? (I'm talking about lore here not gameplay in case anyone is wondering) And still hit everything on target? Mina, is this what you're getting at? Just want to make sure. Open beta vet = April 2013 - ongoing
DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.19 17:59:00 - [24] - Quote Dementia Maniaclease wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: We actually bring our weapons to our shoulders for the purpose of absorbing recoil and shooting straight ""regardless"" of how we aim. That said. I assume that we aim normally. Except for the Caldari suits. 1I would say that it is likely that our helmets are linked with our scopes, but it leaves a logic hole when it comes to iron sights. -ir Had to fix that, IT ISN'T A WORD! I don't know how but you actually managed to add in another error when you corrected it Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.


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