DUST Search - Is the Minmatar the hacking king? (video)

Mina Longstrike wrote:

Protofits is accurate on the numbers that they give.

Assaults, Sentinels and Commandos have an inherent hack factor of 1.0 (they are the 'baseline').

Am, Cal, & Gal scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.05
Min scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.10 (NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ANY SKILLS).
Am, Cal & Gal logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.15
Min logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.20.

The hacking speed bonuses from both the hacking skill and the minscout skill do not have any stacking penalties (as they're not modules).

so 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 = ~1.72 hack speed.

Hacking modules incur stacking penalties like any regular module so for each of the 5 mods their respective percentages are ( 25.00%, 21.73%, 14.26%, 7.07%, 2.65%)

So 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 = ~2.99 hack factor

And with am/gal logi you get 1.15 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 * 1.0707 * 1.0265 = ~2.75 hack factor (provided you use ALL five lows for hacking mods, which really isn't that efficient beyond 3).

In theory the fastest hacking suit should be the logibro's with 5 codebreakers, but that's a stupid waste of an officer suit when you could instead just run a double damped & single codebreaker (for ~2.15 hackfactor) or double codebreaker single damp minscout for ~ 2.62 hack factor

Basic math, not arcane wizardry. All that rigorous testing will confirm in this case is "Yep, previously provided numbers are correct, minscouts hack damn fast".

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XxGhazbaranxX 0.P. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, When asked about hacking, many people who have read the description of the minmatar scout will think that it should, on paper be the best hacker. In this video we put that to the test using a gallente logistic with 5 complex hacking mods vs a minmatar scout with it's maximum of 3. I hope this video is of use to all those who might want to spec into the role of hacker. This video will also show that there are options and as is withe everything in New Eden; there is not only one path to succes in any endeavor. I hope you enjoy the video and that it is informational for those who did not know this already. P.S. I know there is a green line on the bottom of the video. Don't know how it got there but it doesnt detract from the content and hopefully doesn't burn the minds of those of videophiles here. THIS LINK TO FIND OUT Plasma Cannon Advocate
Jack the Rlpper TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 273	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:28:00 - [2] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Hey guys, When asked about hacking, many people who have read the description of the minmatar scout will think that it should, on paper be the best hacker. In this video we put that to the test using a gallente logistic with 5 complex hacking mods vs a minmatar scout with it's maximum of 3. I hope this video is of use to all those who might want to spec into the role of hacker. This video will also show that there are options and as is withe everything in New Eden; there is not only one path to succes in any endeavor. I hope you enjoy the video and that it is informational for those who did not know this already. P.S. I know there is a green line on the bottom of the video. Don't know how it got there but it doesnt detract from the content and hopefully doesn't burn the minds of those of videophiles here. THIS LINK TO FIND OUT Any suit with more then 3 lows hacks faster then the min scout each CB is 25% plus the scout bonus and the system hacking bonus its self is 125 percent faster minus stacking penalties Min logi can do the same with all 4 lows as CBs and anything with 5 lows is faster n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +50 n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +60
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:33:00 - [3] - Quote The minja bonus does not have stacking penalties, and when you get to the 5th module the bonus goes down to like, 10% of the module's bonus, right? Add to that the fact the minja has a 10% innate hack comparative to other scouts' 5% innate. And the reason he only states logis is they all (Still?) have a 5-15% innate hack bonus. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
XxGhazbaranxX 0.P. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:38:00 - [4] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The minja bonus does not have stacking penalties, and when you get to the 5th module the bonus goes down to like, 10% of the module's bonus, right? Add to that the fact the minja has a 10% innate hack comparative to other scouts' 5% innate. And the reason he only states logis is they all (Still?) have a 5-15% innate hack bonus. They do not have innate hack bonuses. Only suit with hack is minny scout. Even the amar sentinel with 4 hack mods can compete with the min scout. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.29 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote Here you can find the hack speeds of all suits under all conditions. The Min Scout is fastest overall, with the Min Logi coming in second place. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog Biomass timer started
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.29 03:25:00 - [6] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The minja bonus does not have stacking penalties, and when you get to the 5th module the bonus goes down to like, 10% of the module's bonus, right? Add to that the fact the minja has a 10% innate hack comparative to other scouts' 5% innate. And the reason he only states logis is they all (Still?) have a 5-15% innate hack bonus. They do not have innate hack bonuses. Only suit with hack is minny scout. Even the amar sentinel with 4 hack mods can compete with the min scout. Not true, every suit has a different 'hack factor'. All Logis hack faster than all Assaults, for example. See here. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog Biomass timer started
Luka the otter Bragian Order Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.07.29 03:28:00 - [7] - Quote It seems like it would be a complete waste of a logibro suit, but could it hack faster than a Min Scout with its extra low slot?
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.29 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote Luka the otter wrote: It seems like it would be a complete waste of a logibro suit, but could it hack faster than a Min Scout with its extra low slot? Hmm, I'm curious. I'll ask Kaze if he can look into it. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog Biomass timer started
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.29 03:39:00 - [9] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The minja bonus does not have stacking penalties, and when you get to the 5th module the bonus goes down to like, 10% of the module's bonus, right? Add to that the fact the minja has a 10% innate hack comparative to other scouts' 5% innate. And the reason he only states logis is they all (Still?) have a 5-15% innate hack bonus. They do not have innate hack bonuses. Only suit with hack is minny scout. Even the amar sentinel with 4 hack mods can compete with the min scout. Logistics have a innate .5 additional hacking speed "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
XxGhazbaranxX 0.P. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 05:17:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The minja bonus does not have stacking penalties, and when you get to the 5th module the bonus goes down to like, 10% of the module's bonus, right? Add to that the fact the minja has a 10% innate hack comparative to other scouts' 5% innate. And the reason he only states logis is they all (Still?) have a 5-15% innate hack bonus. They do not have innate hack bonuses. Only suit with hack is minny scout. Even the amar sentinel with 4 hack mods can compete with the min scout. Logistics have a innate .5 additional hacking speed Will test then. Could be goos to make sure..... Just out of curiosity, where is this number taken from? Plasma Cannon Advocate

Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 05:48:00 - [11] - Quote Protofits is accurate on the numbers that they give. Assaults, Sentinels and Commandos have an inherent hack factor of 1.0 (they are the 'baseline'). Am, Cal, & Gal scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.05 Min scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.10 (NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ANY SKILLS). Am, Cal & Gal logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.15 Min logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.20. The hacking speed bonuses from both the hacking skill and the minscout skill do not have any stacking penalties (as they're not modules). so 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 = ~1.72 hack speed. Hacking modules incur stacking penalties like any regular module so for each of the 5 mods their respective percentages are ( 25.00%, 21.73%, 14.26%, 7.07%, 2.65%) So 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 = ~2.99 hack factor And with am/gal logi you get 1.15 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 * 1.0707 * 1.0265 = ~2.75 hack factor (provided you use ALL five lows for hacking mods, which really isn't that efficient beyond 3). In theory the fastest hacking suit should be the logibro's with 5 codebreakers, but that's a stupid waste of an officer suit when you could instead just run a double damped & single codebreaker (for ~2.15 hackfactor) or double codebreaker single damp minscout for ~ 2.62 hack factor Basic math, not arcane wizardry. All that rigorous testing will confirm in this case is "Yep, previously provided numbers are correct, minscouts hack damn fast". Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 08:08:00 - [12] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Protofits is accurate on the numbers that they give. Assaults, Sentinels and Commandos have an inherent hack factor of 1.0 (they are the 'baseline'). Am, Cal, & Gal scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.05 Min scouts have an inherent hack factor of 1.10 (NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ANY SKILLS). Am, Cal & Gal logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.15 Min logi's have an inherent hack factor of 1.20. The hacking speed bonuses from both the hacking skill and the minscout skill do not have any stacking penalties (as they're not modules). so 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 = ~1.72 hack speed. Hacking modules incur stacking penalties like any regular module so for each of the 5 mods their respective percentages are ( 25.00%, 21.73%, 14.26%, 7.07%, 2.65%) So 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 = ~2.99 hack factor And with am/gal logi you get 1.15 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.2173 * 1.1426 * 1.0707 * 1.0265 = ~2.75 hack factor (provided you use ALL five lows for hacking mods, which really isn't that efficient beyond 3). In theory the fastest hacking suit should be the logibro's with 5 codebreakers, but that's a stupid waste of an officer suit when you could instead just run a double damped & single codebreaker (for ~2.15 hackfactor) or double codebreaker single damp minscout for ~ 2.62 hack factor Basic math, not arcane wizardry. All that rigorous testing will confirm in this case is "Yep, previously provided numbers are correct, minscouts hack damn fast". Basic math my ass, I went to public school. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!


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