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Mina Longstrike wrote:

Wei Togau wrote:

There was a glitch one day where you could claim 5 free BPOs from the new progression feature. So people in the know claimed 5 and sold them to players. CCP noticed the fail on their part and locked trading down on the licit item.
Then 2 weeks later CCP sends a nasty email to each player with one of the Ill gotten PBOs and tells them it's an exploit and their BPO has been removed. So player A that claimed and sold the items keeps his money, Player B who bought the BPO off a trader looses the item he bought from player A.
GG CCP
GG

It was an exploit, It was an eula violation, and yes it should (and was) removed. My heart bleeds for people who paid for these suits or traded actual assets for them, but hey people get scammed all the time. It *might* be possible to get some reimbursement if you file a ticket due to the nature of the exploit, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

If something sounds too good to be true: it probably is.

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Wei Togau MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 0	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote There was a glitch one day where you could claim 5 free BPOs from the new progression feature. So people in the know claimed 5 and sold them to players. CCP noticed the fail on their part and locked trading down on the licit item. Then 2 weeks later CCP sends a nasty email to each player with one of the Ill gotten PBOs and tells them it's an exploit and their BPO has been removed. So player A that claimed and sold the items keeps his money, Player B who bought the BPO off a trader looses the item he bought from player A. GG CCP GG
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 552	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote Meh... Hopes up 4 Logi vehicles Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Min Loyalist
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote Spamming on forum alts is not helpful. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Wei Togau MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 0	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote What is helpful then? This Guy bought an item off a player in a trade channel CCP takes the item away 2 weeks later and the guy keeps the money. No fair.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:29:00 - [5] - Quote Trust no one. That includes CCP. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 756	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote Safe to say we're all scammers here even CCP. I sold it to others who did not have an Apex. Others simply gave it away to their friends. Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 25	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:40:00 - [7] - Quote Put in a ticket. Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:20:00 - [8] - Quote Hey look, we found deezy dabeasts alt! Anecdotal crying. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Hey look, we found deezy dabeasts alt! Anecdotal crying. Nope not my alt but thanks for letting me know I am on your mind. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:50:00 - [10] - Quote Wei Togau wrote: There was a glitch one day where you could claim 5 free BPOs from the new progression feature. So people in the know claimed 5 and sold them to players. CCP noticed the fail on their part and locked trading down on the licit item. Then 2 weeks later CCP sends a nasty email to each player with one of the Ill gotten PBOs and tells them it's an exploit and their BPO has been removed. So player A that claimed and sold the items keeps his money, Player B who bought the BPO off a trader looses the item he bought from player A. GG CCP GG It was an exploit, It was an eula violation, and yes it should (and was) removed. My heart bleeds for people who paid for these suits or traded actual assets for them, but hey people get scammed all the time. It might be possible to get some reimbursement if you file a ticket due to the nature of the exploit, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it. If something sounds too good to be true: it probably is. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:05:00 - [11] - Quote The question is, how much did you (someone) lose. Anybody who bought it for under 30m could've known it's suspiciously cheap. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote That's not really a "hating dust players" thing. Technically this is a constantly changing environment. Just not the one we wanted. Things have to get corrected. You lost some ISK cause ccp ****** up again? File a ticket Shields, the silent killer.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:09:00 - [13] - Quote What did you expect? Everyone knew that the glitch would be cleared up. Also that email was not antagonizing anyone. People are just mad that they couldn't keep free items. CCP telling people to avoid exploits isn't to make less work for themselves but to, ironically, save people like you from losing ISK on items that will revoked. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:35:00 - [14] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Wei Togau wrote: There was a glitch one day where you could claim 5 free BPOs from the new progression feature. So people in the know claimed 5 and sold them to players. CCP noticed the fail on their part and locked trading down on the licit item. Then 2 weeks later CCP sends a nasty email to each player with one of the Ill gotten PBOs and tells them it's an exploit and their BPO has been removed. So player A that claimed and sold the items keeps his money, Player B who bought the BPO off a trader looses the item he bought from player A. GG CCP GG It was an exploit, It was an eula violation, and yes it should (and was) removed. My heart bleeds for people who paid for these suits or traded actual assets for them, but hey people get scammed all the time. It might be possible to get some reimbursement if you file a ticket due to the nature of the exploit, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it. If something sounds too good to be true: it probably is. How prey tell was it either an exploit or a EULA violation. They collected something via a legitimate (though accidental) in game mechanic and sold the items via another legitimate in game mechanic. Taking the items away and refunding money for purchase of the items (removing said money from the seller as well) is a totally fair response as it takes people back to where they started. Stating that those people exploited a piece of code or violated the EULA is rediculous though. Since when is following the on screen direction "hit x to claim" exploiting anything. If anything the dev team should just have said the corporate equivalent of "Oops my mistake. I'm fixing it by reverting things back to the way they were." Now with more evil.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:47:00 - [15] - Quote ^Look at the eula mobius, it may have been CCP's who was at fault, but even clicking that 'claim' button constituted an exploit & eula violation. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:00:00 - [16] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: ^Look at the eula mobius, it may have been CCP's who was at fault, but even clicking that 'claim' button constituted an exploit & eula violation. It would if they intentionally took advantage of a broken mechanic. Did CCP explicitly say this is broken you do it and you're breaking the EULA? How could they know it was broken without a specific warning. The EULA says nothing about utilizing potentially broken mechanics, which is a good thing since all of us have probably done so unintentionally with all the bugs there have been since the game was released. Think about the invisibility bug of oh so long ago. The players who accidentally turned invisible, were they in violation of the EULA. What about the time one of the smaller PSN packs for the game was free, was buying that breaking the EULA. There are a ton of other examples I can cite as well but the fact is that clicking a button you weren't expressly told not to click is not a EULA violation. Now if you were directly told (and it could be proven you saw the message ahead of time) that you should not claim the items then yes it was a EULA violation. Otherwise it was fine. Now with more evil.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:31:00 - [17] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: The question is, how much did you (someone) lose. Anybody who bought it for under 30m could've known it's suspiciously cheap. I get why CCP did what they did, even if it turns out to be unfair to some people, and I hold no strong feelings one way or the other. That being said, your position is pretty silly because it's essentially saying it's against the rules to not know the current market values of items, or for jumping on good deals. I've bought things from people who were selling things suspiciously cheap before, for example, I've seen Quafe CA-L SKINs selling for near 40 million, but I bought one few days ago for 20 million -- should I be expecting CCP to confiscate it from me? Did I somehow do something wrong in buying the SKIN? Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2015.07.29 10:35:00 - [18] - Quote It is pretty ****** that somebody bought something from someone (perhaps not knowing it was "stolen") only to be down tens of millions of ISK and have no BPO to show for it. They should at least be reimbursed, all they did was buy something, isn't this game supposed to have an economy? How will that work if people are penalised for buying something? You need money to circulate for an economy to work, you don't just take it all away because of YOUR mistake. I understand that anyone who claimed the suit should have it taken away as they didn't earn it but for some unknowing person to lose ISK? Come on, that's just plain and simple not caring about your players and making them pay for your mistake.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 10:43:00 - [19] - Quote What the f*ck is wrong with this community? People got scammed and not a single one of you welcomed them to New Eden. Shame on all of you! Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 565	Posted - 2015.07.29 10:48:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: The question is, how much did you (someone) lose. Anybody who bought it for under 30m could've known it's suspiciously cheap. sees a player selling apex gal scout for 7 mill proceeds to get suspicious ZariaOwnsWhips

jane stalin free dropships for newbs 374	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:00:00 - [21] - Quote Can anyone actually confirm CCP's hypothetical bad behavior ? Actually name a player who paid another player for an APEX and lost it and did not get a refund.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 156	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:23:00 - [22] - Quote So many spoiled kids on here. To everyone talking about fair and reasonable responses: The real world is neither fair nor reasonable. Same goes for New Eden. Whoever told you that the world was just lied to you. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 747	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:35:00 - [23] - Quote I'm pretty sure if every channel including Local has people selling Apex suits for 5 mil, there's reasonable cause for suspicion. Why is everyone acting like they were caught off guard? Like they're entitled to keep valuable items that they neither worked nor paid for? Remember how it goes in New Eden: Your choices matter, and the results of your choices can change. The trick is to know how things will play out. [66.7m SP] Sazu's Trading
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:47:00 - [24] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Can anyone actually confirm CCP's hypothetical bad behavior ? Actually name a player who paid another player for an APEX and lost it and did not get a refund. I can confirm 2 but I will let them come here and post for them self. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:15:00 - [25] - Quote This is the one aspect of the DUST community that I genuinely hate. It is the reason that we can't have nice things. It feels like everyone becomes an armchair lawyer the second that something that had the price tag of "Free" gets altered in any way. In closed beta, everyone was up in arms when BPOs couldn't be sold after the militia BPOs were taken off the market. Everyone was trying to "make an investment", when in actually people were trying to make a quick aurum buck. People are up in arms whenever there is any changes to free items because "it devalues their purchase that they made X months or years ago". In recent history, APEX suits have become the new thing. APEX suits are now fully customizable and have experienced so much power creep that they are now PC ready suits depending on the match. But if CCP ever tries to change or limit the power of the APEX suit, we'll hear "I purchased this suit with the expectation of xyz, and you're taking that away from me - let me start complaining". I'm in favor of consistency, foresight, and making meaningful choices with regards to items that cost money. But a lot of these claims sound very disingenuous. "For people who don't really do S**T, ya'll really doing the most" Lv. 1 Forum Warrior
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces 516	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:17:00 - [26] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Mejt0 wrote: The question is, how much did you (someone) lose. Anybody who bought it for under 30m could've known it's suspiciously cheap. I get why CCP did what they did, even if it turns out to be unfair to some people, and I hold no strong feelings one way or the other. That being said, your position is pretty silly because it's essentially saying it's against the rules to not know the current market values of items, or for jumping on good deals. I've bought things from people who were selling things suspiciously cheap before, for example, I've seen Quafe CA-L SKINs selling for near 40 million, but I bought one few days ago for 20 million -- should I be expecting CCP to confiscate it from me? Did I somehow do something wrong in buying the SKIN? yeah I bought a std am sent boo for 1 mil should ccp take it from me? Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.30 05:15:00 - [27] - Quote 6.A.3 (The rule cited in letters to players) has absolutely nothing to do with these players actions. They did not manipulate the system through software or their actions to make the program do something unintended. Even the caveat about "patterns of play" implies a systematic abuse of an intended mechanic. While this was certainly unintended, it is pretty hard to justify clicking through a menu (following the menus directions mind you) as a pattern of play meant to accelerate item acquisition. It was in fact, simply following a set of in game directions towards their intended result. Without being specifically told that the results were in violation of the EULA the expectation for players to not acquire the suits is unreasonable. I dunno about all this unintended use stuff. Shotgun scouts weren't an intended use. We constantly modify, and create trends and challenge barriers, that CCP would never have thought of in the first place. Shields, the silent killer.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.30 06:09:00 - [28] - Quote Hilariously I told everyone that the people who bought glitched APEX would be treated as though they had been scammed. Because everyone that bought the bugged APEX was scammed. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 771	Posted - 2015.07.30 07:49:00 - [29] - Quote People who bought these APEX to others are total idiots, sorry. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME ! -Sequal Rise
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.30 14:02:00 - [30] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: So many spoiled kids on here. To everyone talking about fair and reasonable responses: The real world is neither fair nor reasonable. Same goes for New Eden. Whoever told you that the world was just lied to you. I felt a little bit bad reading this. I was talking to a friend who did the claim thing and got 5. Someone mentioned that they were going to take them away. First words out of my mouth "Sell them. Sell them now." I only feel a little bit bad though. I've been in New Eden for far too long. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

Bob The 2nd Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.07.30 14:15:00 - [31] - Quote We all knew it would happen


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