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Europa Antares
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.07.25 13:31:00 -
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Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.25 13:38:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping.
So what your saying is that Gallente and Amarr weaponry, which is designed for anti-shield use, is performing as intended?
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Europa Antares
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.07.25 13:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. So what your saying is that Gallente and Amarr weaponry, which is designed for anti-shield use, is performing as intended?
Exactly. It's the only thing that's balanced in a game about unbalance. I believe that Caldari should be fit with MORE shields as Amarr are the respective armor tankers (can top off with 800 armor easily) so who's the shield tankers of DUST? Should be the Caldari with the ability to boost shields to 700 at the least.
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Yoda Boss
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2015.07.25 13:49:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. So what your saying is that Gallente and Amarr weaponry, which is designed for anti-shield use, is performing as intended? Exactly. It's the only thing that's balanced in a game about unbalance. I believe that Caldari should be fit with MORE shields as Amarr are the respective armor tankers (can top off with 800 armor easily) so who's the shield tankers of DUST? Should be the Caldari with the ability to boost shields to 700 at the least.
You CAN run a calass with 707 shield.
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.25 13:54:00 -
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I am going to assume this is a troll, no one can be this stupid.
But, I can be this stupid. Omg....wait....I wonder if that means in affect my tacos are stupid but still far superior to any of you. OMG! TACOS ARE THE MOST DELICIOUS SUBSTANCE IN THE ENTIRE EXPANDING GALAXY!
The Revanchist.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.25 14:52:00 -
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If I'm not mistaken, ScR is on its trial. The question is.. will CCP not fail again?
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.25 15:14:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping.
?????WTF?????
The only reason you don't like Cal weapons is because you run armor, and what you want is to continue to melt their shields with your weapons while they cant kill you. Let me explain some things for you.
CAL weapons seem strong right now because nubs like you are running all armor. They are meant to hurt armor. If the meta was balanced (armor/Shield) the Cal weapons are actually under DPS and accuracy. If you notice its guys in armor commando suits packing the rail weapons right now not Cal guys in shield suits camping those roof tops.
If you want balance run balanced equipment. You know, make more than one fit so you don't always get blasted by the same weapon. The shield do need a boost which would be the best nerf for all the Cal weapons because then it would NOT be doing that extra DPS to everyone by default, but instead to just the armor stackers.
IF EVERYONE RUNS ARMOR THE CAL WEAPONS LOOK OP, IN A BALANCED META THEY ARE NOT. THE ISSUE IS THE SHIELDS NOT THE WEAPONS. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.25 15:38:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. 5/10.
Was good, but easy to spot for me.
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JIMvc2
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 15:54:00 -
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The scrambler is crap now. My Kaalakiota Rail Rifle on my Calmando wrecks at dstance but I never use roof camping at my advantage.
Then my second is CR so I make sure to take down my enemy quick.
No Nerfs to my weapons NO.
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.25 16:19:00 -
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Or maybe we could make it so weapons get a good bonus for their racial suits like the min/amarr do..the problem you're having is people have now switched to my suit since dance dance got nerfed...gal/amarr assault with any rr |
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Private Part's
sticky green's
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Posted - 2015.07.25 16:36:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:I am going to assume this is a troll, no one can be this stupid.
But, I can be this stupid. Omg....wait....I wonder if that means in affect my tacos are stupid but still far superior to any of you. OMG! TACOS ARE THE MOST DELICIOUS SUBSTANCE IN THE ENTIRE EXPANDING GALAXY!
Nerf the taco! Buff the quesadilla! But guacamole is finally balanced leave it alone. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.25 16:42:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:The scrambler is crap now. My Kaalakiota Rail Rifle on my Calmando wrecks at dstance but I never use roof camping at my advantage.
Then my second is CR so I make sure to take down my enemy quick.
No Nerfs to my weapons NO.
Just gonna say... The SCR is way OP, no where near crap..... Whole threads showing the DPS in irrefutable detail. |
JIMvc2
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 16:59:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:The scrambler is crap now. My Kaalakiota Rail Rifle on my Calmando wrecks at dstance but I never use roof camping at my advantage.
Then my second is CR so I make sure to take down my enemy quick.
No Nerfs to my weapons NO. Just gonna say... The SCR is way OP, no where near crap..... Whole threads showing the DPS in irrefutable detail.
You sure because my RR has been melting Amarr brick tank users.
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Louis Domi
Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.07.25 17:10:00 -
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It's all because the other classes keep touching our ****, and now since everyone is getting their asses eaten out by cal weaponry we got to get a nerf on it? And now you accuse the weapons of rooftop camping?... Even though Lasers get real close to our range and even passes it(LR)... Sigh Hate the player not the players awesome gear... all for a buff to caldari suits though.. While you're at it, lets get a buff for shield suits in general(My minmabros included), also lets put the magsec on there.
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 17:11:00 -
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Yoda Boss wrote:
You CAN run a calass with 707 shield.
shield tanked cal ass with all std shield mods 491 shileds
3 std plates 2 std reps amarr ass 633 armor
full tanked amarr ass 813 armor
my skills for armor and shields are equal at level 3 each
perhaps you may be able to stack complex shield mods and have a decent amount of shields but you can do the same with armor and have well over 1k
and that is only the beginning of the problem, a std shield extender costs 18 cpu and 3 pg while a std plate costs 9 cpu and 3 pg for over double the health over 2.5 actually
even a ferroscale plate has more hp with even less resources being taken up and no downsides to using them
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.25 17:15:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:The scrambler is crap now. My Kaalakiota Rail Rifle on my Calmando wrecks at dstance but I never use roof camping at my advantage.
Then my second is CR so I make sure to take down my enemy quick.
No Nerfs to my weapons NO. Just gonna say... The SCR is way OP, no where near crap..... Whole threads showing the DPS in irrefutable detail. You sure because my RR has been melting Amarr brick tank users.
It should, its meant to do additional DPs to armor. That in no way means the Scrambler family is not op. lol
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 17:22:00 -
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when people talk about shield weapons being OP the users say that its shield users complaining that the weapon is doing its job
but on the other side of the note I see armor tankers complaining about how OP the ARR or even the RR and BP are
lets get this straight first the reason why the ScR was so OP was and still may be because it was over performing at something it was and is supposed to be bad at and that is tearing trough armor better then the RR and having better range then the RR which may still be the case although less people seem to be using it
due to the nerf it took a lot of people migrated to using the ARR due to its effectiveness at dealing with armor (as it is meant to) and now armor users are complaining about the ARR doing too well
anyone that is using the mentality of "it kills me so it should be nerfed" needs to get their mind out of the gutters and anyone that claims anything to be OP without actual evidence (good evidence at that) needs to stop commenting on these threads as it does not help to reach an agreement on what needs to be done to balance the weapon in question
for example many people use the AA as their claim for the BP to be OP so I proposed that AA be removed from it and to a lesser extent to be removed completely and many people agree at least to the AA being removed from the BP
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.25 17:27:00 -
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Private Part's wrote:VAHZZ wrote:I am going to assume this is a troll, no one can be this stupid.
But, I can be this stupid. Omg....wait....I wonder if that means in affect my tacos are stupid but still far superior to any of you. OMG! TACOS ARE THE MOST DELICIOUS SUBSTANCE IN THE ENTIRE EXPANDING GALAXY! Nerf the taco! Buff the quesadilla! But guacamole is finally balanced leave it alone.
The taco is immune to nerfs.
The Revanchist.
Vader's Fist - Under our might, everything will burn
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Kinky Fat Bastard
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2015.07.25 18:20:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:when people talk about shield weapons being OP the users say that its shield users complaining that the weapon is doing its job
but on the other side of the note I see armor tankers complaining about how OP the ARR or even the RR and BP are
lets get this straight first the reason why the ScR was so OP was and still may be because it was over performing at something it was and is supposed to be bad at and that is tearing trough armor better then the RR and having better range then the RR which may still be the case although less people seem to be using it
due to the nerf it took a lot of people migrated to using the ARR due to its effectiveness at dealing with armor (as it is meant to) and now armor users are complaining about the ARR doing too well
anyone that is using the mentality of "it kills me so it should be nerfed" needs to get their mind out of the gutters and anyone that claims anything to be OP without actual evidence (good evidence at that) needs to stop commenting on these threads as it does not help to reach an agreement on what needs to be done to balance the weapon in question
for example many people use the AA as their claim for the BP to be OP so I proposed that AA be removed from it and to a lesser extent to be removed completely and many people agree at least to the AA being removed from the BP
Whenever I have a SCR I make sure I'm standing next to a RR user and vice versa. All working as intended.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 18:49:00 -
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What I don't understand is why all the 'pro' players are running ARR, despite it being inferior to the ACR is every way.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:25:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping.
Caldari Weapons: Bolt pistol is fine ARR is fine (could use slightly better ADS to emphasize its role) RR needs a small rework/buff for ADS performance Swarm launchers are **** vs. tanks, decent vs. dropships, OP vs. cars Magsec is trash Sniper rifles have **** mechanics that encourage redline sniping that I'd like completely reworked (add variable zoom, remove sway, etc)
Caldari suits: Cal Scout is fine Cal Sentinel is fine (not 100% sure on this one as I dont have it proto) Cal Commando is a festering pile of trash (needs better regen stats or something) Cal Assault is close to balanced but needs less reliance on modules for regen and more effective weapon bonus to compete with Amarr/Minmatar assaults Cal Logi is not too great and needs improvement (no comment on this as I dont have this one skilled at all) |
Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:27:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:The scrambler is crap now.
Your opinion is now invalid since you clearly have zero grasp of balance. |
NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:30:00 -
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Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. You are an idiot.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:31:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. Caldari Weapons: Bolt pistol is fine ARR is fine (could use slightly better ADS to emphasize its role) RR needs a small rework/buff for ADS performance Swarm launchers are **** vs. tanks, decent vs. dropships, OP vs. cars Magsec is trash Sniper rifles have **** mechanics that encourage redline sniping that I'd like completely reworked (add variable zoom, remove sway, etc) Caldari suits: Cal Scout is fine Cal Sentinel is fine (not 100% sure on this one as I dont have it proto) Cal Commando is a festering pile of trash (needs better regen stats or something) Cal Assault is close to balanced but needs less reliance on modules for regen and more effective weapon bonus to compete with Amarr/Minmatar assaults Cal Logi is not too great and needs improvement (no comment on this as I dont have this one skilled at all)
Got to agree with all but the assault. It is not resilient at all. The point is to pop in and out of cover while your shield keeps you alive, so it actually needs about 200 more EHP to be on par with armor tankers. If you hurt the regen it will be useless. Effectively having even less EHP over an encounter. Right now there is a reason you don't see a lot of Cal suits. They are just way under the curve. |
Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:45:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:What I don't understand is why all the 'pro' players are running ARR, despite it being inferior to the ACR is every way.
past 62m damage of the CR starts to drop off whereas the ARR drops after about 72 and the greater the range the more significant the drop
where the ARR can do close to 90% damage at 100m the ACR can only do about 50%, and its the FOTM chasers not the "pro" players that use it
also it may be due to the better profile against shields where the ACR does 15% less damage and the ARR only does 10% less and it still shreds armor with proficiency maxed
although I don't see why there aren't more people using the ACR and AScR as they can still perform just as well if not better in certain situations
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.25 21:24:00 -
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I'm ok with this. Nerf the ARR and buff the shields. I am totally and honestly alright with this trade off
Shields, the silent killer.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.25 22:32:00 -
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or how about buff shields and not nerf any weapons Because the thing is that we have always been going trough this cycle with out a back up plan. Its like yall nerf something and then have no clue what will affect the overall gameplay. Its just "ok nerf and we will see what happens" lol wtf.
Every game gets ruined by the casuals sooner or later.
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Europa Antares
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.07.25 23:48:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Europa Antares wrote:Caldari weaponry is known for "slow fire, high damage" this allows for high rooftop cheese as they'll camp on a roof and not contribute to the team. Caldari suits get decimated by scrambler rifles which are the most op weapon in the game, and they won't stop using them. Gal and Amarr weaponry decimate Caldari like fried eggs. Buff the suit to have more shields. Nerf the weapons to stop fiddler on the roof camping. ?????WTF????? The only reason you don't like Cal weapons is because you run armor, and what you want is to continue to melt their shields with your weapons while they cant kill you. Let me explain some things for you. CAL weapons seem strong right now because nubs like you are running all armor. They are meant to hurt armor. If the meta was balanced (armor/Shield) the Cal weapons are actually under DPS and accuracy. If you notice its guys in armor commando suits packing the rail weapons right now not Cal guys in shield suits camping those roof tops. If you want balance run balanced equipment. You know, make more than one fit so you don't always get blasted by the same weapon. The shield do need a boost which would be the best nerf for all the Cal weapons because then it would NOT be doing that extra DPS to everyone by default, but instead to just the armor stackers. IF EVERYONE RUNS ARMOR THE CAL WEAPONS LOOK OP, IN A BALANCED META THEY ARE NOT. THE ISSUE IS THE SHIELDS NOT THE WEAPONS.
Actually, I noticed that too. Amarr and Gallente seem to be the most popular races and dropsuits thus far, that,'s why I dual tank. But the Caldari are underpowered because if I use a weapon that is effective against armor and still end up turning on a prototype caldari, something's wrong.
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