While I agree that the knife needs a little work, I do not believe that it should be able to one hit anyone.... this is not COD its something completely different.

And also make it so you can actually knife while reloading, this is screwed me over so many times.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Try reloading a gun and knifing someone at the same time.

Its impossible. See, reloading takes two hands, and knifing takes at least one so...1+2=3, and last I checked I had 1+1 hands so...

Yea, really dumb idea.

cantus, more base damage means more base damage. base damage is not damage x skills it is just base damage without considering skills.

ignore shield hp. i cannot put this more simply sorry

last time i checked there is no skill for backstabs... can you comprehend any basic mechanics without suggesting one simply "train skills?"

keep an open mind buddy

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Try reloading a gun and knifing someone at the same time.

Its impossible. See, reloading takes two hands, and knifing takes at least one so...1+2=3, and last I checked I had 1+1 hands so...

Yea, really dumb idea.

I wonder if you've actually trained up the knfie skills at all. As someone who has them fully trained, I will assure you that the knife is incredibly strong at level 5. A 50% bonus per level instead of a 10% bonus as you suggested would give it a 250% bonus at level 5, which would make it do around 470 damage per swing, without any modules to increase it. That is enough to instantly kill a non heavy suit unless they are fit for maximum tank.

With damage modifiers? (Stacking penalty on 3 makes it about 120%) A massive 630 damage per swing. This is enough to kill any reasonably fit nonheavy instantly.

Currently, the second example with the 10% per level at level 5 and 3 prototype damage modifiers will net about 360 damage, which is still enough to instantly kill the lighter tanked suits. In making that fit possible though, you need to sacrifice most of your tank which gives you very little HP yourself.]


The knife is amazing. The hit detection problems make it a little iffy, but they are workable. If you actually train and practice to use this properly, you will see how laughable it is when people call it useless. At level 5 without any damage mods it still does 200 damage. This is enough to drain most suit's shields, or kill them if you've already gotten them into armor.

Ignore shield hp ??? Im waiting for some fantastic startek style explanation on this one. Horrible idea.
Tho the Knife kills are a little disappoint atm. Anyone else wana see the knife plunged into a lung or neck ? Right now its a bit meh

I don't agree with the idea of a knife bypassing the shields. If a Minmatar gun that fires solid projectiles has to eat through the shields first before getting to the armor, why does a knife get preferential treatment?

I have also seen people suggest that the knife be removed and just have the player "whack" the opponent with the butt of a rifle. Gee, I wonder how a blunt object is going to fair against a mechanical dropsuit designed to withstand high-velocity impacts from advanced weaponry. Might as well whack someone with a NERF bat while the opponent turns around and asks:

"Were you trying to pimp slap me?"

But overall, the tools are there already to increase the damage of the knife. Remember, DUST 514 requires players to train up skills in order to become proficient with something.

I wonder if you've actually trained up the knfie skills at all. As someone who has them fully trained, I will assure you that the knife is incredibly strong at level 5. A 50% bonus per level instead of a 10% bonus as you suggested would give it a 250% bonus at level 5, which would make it do around 470 damage per swing, without any modules to increase it. That is enough to instantly kill a non heavy suit unless they are fit for maximum tank.

With damage modifiers? (Stacking penalty on 3 makes it about 120%) A massive 630 damage per swing. This is enough to kill any reasonably fit nonheavy instantly.

Currently, the second example with the 10% per level at level 5 and 3 prototype damage modifiers will net about 360 damage, which is still enough to instantly kill the lighter tanked suits. In making that fit possible though, you need to sacrifice most of your tank which gives you very little HP yourself.]


The knife is amazing. The hit detection problems make it a little iffy, but they are workable. If you actually train and practice to use this properly, you will see how laughable it is when people call it useless. At level 5 without any damage mods it still does 200 damage. This is enough to drain most suit's shields, or kill them if you've already gotten them into armor.