DUST Search - Has anyone ever calculated the value of faction warfare points?

Dragonmeballs wrote:

Heracles Porsche wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Threw this together with some random selections.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing

According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math)

I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players.

Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout.

I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the "value" in buying an Apex suit given the last update.

If one takes an advanced assault suit and fits it exactly the same as a given Apex suit than you might have around 15k ISK into that fit.

To earn a suit through FW you'll need to obtain 100,000 LP. Anybody earn 100k LP and not spend 1-3 million in suits to do it? I'll bet some have spent even more and still don't have 100 K LP.

Now add the 10M isk asking price for the Apex suit. You'd have between 13 and 11 million isk into the Apex suit.

Break even point: 866 to 666 deaths. (That last number assumed a best case scenario of using a BPO to get the 100/10)

If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even.

This does not strike me as making any sense.....

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Heracles Porsche Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 418	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:08:00 - [1] - Quote Word to the wise: I am horrible at math. There are a lot of ways you could calculate it. For instance, would you base it on grinding an apex suit and selling it, or maybe you basee it on how much ISK you save buying suits with LP? Let me know what you come up with. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:22:00 - [2] - Quote People have and have come to the conclusion that specialist weapons were the only thing worth buying and I still see it that way since the price of Apex suits were cut in half. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:25:00 - [3] - Quote Can run some numbers here in a sec if you give me a moment. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:37:00 - [4] - Quote Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Heracles Porsche Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 418	Posted - 2015.07.23 08:02:00 - [5] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.23 08:13:00 - [6] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. No problem man. Hit me up on Skype if you ever need anything, my username is 'nomistrav' Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 117	Posted - 2015.07.23 08:42:00 - [7] - Quote not sure if you guys considered the 10 mil isk apex suits cost in addition to the LP cost. But yeah LP is pretty worthless considering if you can't win a match you get next to nothing for a 20min or so waste of time depending on your team/enemy. The other problem is until you get your rank up, which again requires winning the pay out of 900ish LP to start with is an even worse reward. Factor in the longer amount of time it takes to get into battle your defiantly not coming out that far ahead of pub matches in terms of pure isk. That said FW are the only game mode open to the public that people even give a half try in. Pub matches tend to be a lot of empty games where one team gives up within the first 30 seconds.
Heracles Porsche Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 418	Posted - 2015.07.23 08:51:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. No problem man. Hit me up on Skype if you ever need anything, my username is 'nomistrav' Hmm, possibly I got a decimal point wrong, is the value actually 400? Told you I suck at math. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 12:09:00 - [9] - Quote Considering most battles are easy win (qsync) you can get around 3000k+ lp with a cheap booster. You can buy 19 proto suits (950k isk value). Also count free ISK you get for dying in bpo. PS. Counting on, e.g. suits, 1 lp equals ~ 314 ISK. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 112	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:37:00 - [10] - Quote So for one FW win I'd get the same as a pub, and for a loss I get 1/5th that... no thanks. Scrub-a-dub-dub

Heracles Porsche Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 419	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:00:00 - [11] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: So for one FW win I'd get the same as a pub, and for a loss I get 1/5th that... no thanks. I think you're underating wins. All depends on how you calculate it. There's a lot of way to calculate all this stuff, but let's craft an example Pick a midrange rank with a faction. Let's say I'm around level 5 with a faction, I make 1400 points or so (don't remember the exact number) and I value fw points at around 316. So a win for a faction I'm level 5 with, that game is worth 440,000 ISK to me . I'm not sure what you make in your typical pubs, but 440k doesn't seem to shabby. This is just a crafted example, there could be lots of other ways to calculate the value of a win in fw that raise the value much higher. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
William HBonney Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 437	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:34:00 - [12] - Quote Now rank 5 isn't like easy to get. 1400 LP for a win might be a bit high as well, but you also did not factor in salvage or isk returned for losses. In a "normal" FW match I bring in about 20 K per death PROFIT, on top of LP gains and such. The only downside to FW is you cannot salvage WBC, which if I play only pubs I can get about 200-1K/10 matches.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:39:00 - [13] - Quote There are variables to consider. -Popularity of a given faction gear -Win/loss ratio of a faction -Where specific faction gear currently stands in the nerf/buff cycle -Normal market variance CPM Platform
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 16:12:00 - [14] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: There are variables to consider. -Popularity of a given faction gear -Win/loss ratio of a faction -Where specific faction gear currently stands in the nerf/buff cycle -Normal market variance Pretty much this. Sure, you'll win every round of CFW you get in to, but the only things worth buying are the nanite injector or the specialist RR. Not even the railgun turrets are that good of a deal, it comes out to a 195 per lp value, well below that 316 of the assault. Caldari suits -can- be wielded effectively by some people, however I feel that's a fallacy of sorts in that I can guarantee you that those people would do even better in any other suit. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 133	Posted - 2015.07.23 21:38:00 - [15] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the "value" in buying an Apex suit given the last update. If one takes an advanced assault suit and fits it exactly the same as a given Apex suit than you might have around 15k ISK into that fit. To earn a suit through FW you'll need to obtain 100,000 LP. Anybody earn 100k LP and not spend 1-3 million in suits to do it? I'll bet some have spent even more and still don't have 100 K LP. Now add the 10M isk asking price for the Apex suit. You'd have between 13 and 11 million isk into the Apex suit. Break even point: 866 to 666 deaths. (That last number assumed a best case scenario of using a BPO to get the 100/10) If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even. This does not strike me as making any sense..... Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!
Heracles Porsche Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 419	Posted - 2015.07.23 21:46:00 - [16] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the "value" in buying an Apex suit given the last update. If one takes an advanced assault suit and fits it exactly the same as a given Apex suit than you might have around 15k ISK into that fit. To earn a suit through FW you'll need to obtain 100,000 LP. Anybody earn 100k LP and not spend 1-3 million in suits to do it? I'll bet some have spent even more and still don't have 100 K LP. Now add the 10M isk asking price for the Apex suit. You'd have between 13 and 11 million isk into the Apex suit. Break even point: 866 to 666 deaths. (That last number assumed a best case scenario of using a BPO to get the 100/10) If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even. This does not strike me as making any sense..... you're forgetting something... They're pretty. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Russel Mendoza Klandatu 215	Posted - 2015.07.23 23:55:00 - [17] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the "value" in buying an Apex suit given the last update. If one takes an advanced assault suit and fits it exactly the same as a given Apex suit than you might have around 15k ISK into that fit. To earn a suit through FW you'll need to obtain 100,000 LP. Anybody earn 100k LP and not spend 1-3 million in suits to do it? I'll bet some have spent even more and still don't have 100 K LP. Now add the 10M isk asking price for the Apex suit. You'd have between 13 and 11 million isk into the Apex suit. Break even point: 866 to 666 deaths. (That last number assumed a best case scenario of using a BPO to get the 100/10) If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even. This does not strike me as making any sense..... Well I dont how much I died in 3 months but I was able to buy 4 cal apex in that time. Scrubbing solo. Using my Caldari Samurai Commando. Well thanks to STF that is. LOL. For The State! Ooorah!!! I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 20	Posted - 2015.07.24 01:31:00 - [18] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing According to your system, if I value an APEX suit at 50 million ISK, (current market average), LP spent on an APEX suit comes out to being worth only 40 ISK per LP, a lower value then anything else on your chart. (but I could have got that wrong like I said I suck at math) I really like that you noticed some of the proto suits have different values, since it's interesting to note that LP could preserving different amounts of ISK for different players. Anyways, thank-you Aeon that was very informative. If I discuss this in a video/podcast I'll be sure to send you a shoutout. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the "value" in buying an Apex suit given the last update. If one takes an advanced assault suit and fits it exactly the same as a given Apex suit than you might have around 15k ISK into that fit. To earn a suit through FW you'll need to obtain 100,000 LP. Anybody earn 100k LP and not spend 1-3 million in suits to do it? I'll bet some have spent even more and still don't have 100 K LP. Now add the 10M isk asking price for the Apex suit. You'd have between 13 and 11 million isk into the Apex suit. Break even point: 866 to 666 deaths. (That last number assumed a best case scenario of using a BPO to get the 100/10) If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even. This does not strike me as making any sense..... Nope... Since I'm only using starter/APEX suits in Gal FW, I'm turning a slight profit... I'm going to be dying a thousand times anyway to all the proto maddies assault rail rifles, orbital strikes and assault dropships, so why make it more costly than it has to be?
howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2015.07.24 01:33:00 - [19] - Quote Excuse me Mr. Porsche, I'd just like to say that I LOVE your video intro. Thanks, V/R H Sanchez
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2015.07.24 13:15:00 - [20] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Dragonmeballs wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: [quote=Aeon Amadi]Threw this together with some random selections. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6QwFAkF0ZLUyPJPrKVM5IUcivrwGpHVLPOUDMjEVAY/edit?usp=sharing Cut If somebody buys an Apex for 50M they need to die 3333 times before they break even. This does not strike me as making any sense..... you're forgetting something... They're pretty. If only pretty messed up hit detection.... Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!



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