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Slim Winning Grade No.2 169	Posted - 2015.07.22 13:08:00 - [1] - Quote Here's an idea... NERF it. Unless you think it's fair that a sidearm can do 1000+ damage in 4 shots... have 60m range... have the strongest Aim Assist in the game... have a head shot multiplier that's just ridiculous... , or you could move it to the sniper rifle category nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it nerf it The bullsh!t that is this weapon has gone on long enough.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 14:05:00 - [2] - Quote you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 153	Posted - 2015.07.22 14:18:00 - [3] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Was it? It was worse before? I dont remember if so, and I still feel it completely OP.
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.22 15:32:00 - [4] - Quote I love how not a single thread about the bolt pistol addresses any relevant data, like comparison to SMG sales (which outnumber it 2:1) or have any video, numbers, or any evidence beyond "IT DUN KILLED MEH!!" A Space Magnum is going to hit like a Magnum. Surprise, surprise. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Echo 1991 Corrosive Synergy No Context 907	Posted - 2015.07.22 16:02:00 - [5] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I love how not a single thread about the bolt pistol addresses any relevant data, like comparison to SMG sales (which outnumber it 2:1) or have any video, numbers, or any evidence beyond "IT DUN KILLED MEH!!" A Space Magnum is going to hit like a Magnum. Surprise, surprise. Are you honestly suggesting that magic bullet magnetism and the ability to deal near 1000 or even more damage with a headshot at 50m is balanced? Wanna play eve?
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.22 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I love how not a single thread about the bolt pistol addresses any relevant data, like comparison to SMG sales (which outnumber it 2:1) or have any video, numbers, or any evidence beyond "IT DUN KILLED MEH!!" A Space Magnum is going to hit like a Magnum. Surprise, surprise. Are you honestly suggesting that magic bullet magnetism and the ability to deal near 1000 or even more damage with a headshot at 50m is balanced? Keep in mind that people defended the Duvolle Tac, Laser and flaylock when it was obviously OP. People will always defend their crutch. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2015.07.22 18:37:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I love how not a single thread about the bolt pistol addresses any relevant data, like comparison to SMG sales (which outnumber it 2:1) or have any video, numbers, or any evidence beyond "IT DUN KILLED MEH!!" A Space Magnum is going to hit like a Magnum. Surprise, surprise. Are you honestly suggesting that magic bullet magnetism and the ability to deal near 1000 or even more damage with a headshot at 50m is balanced? Keep in mind that people defended the Duvolle Tac, Laser and flaylock when it was obviously OP. People will always defend their crutch. And sometimes things are genuinely not OP. I think the bolt pistol is horrifically annoying, and I'd support some mechanics changes, but thats completely different from it being OP, and I dont think it deserves or needs a nerf. And to tell you where Im coming from, my favorite weapon is the scrambler rifle, which Im trying to get nerfed. I wont even use the stupid thing because its so OP. Im a big fan of the ak.0 and mk.0 assaults, both of which Ive suggested nerfs for. Back when scouts were huge I played Cal Scout almost exclusively and was constantly trying to get the broken shotgun/cloak/damp combo nerfed. Sometimes things are broken, sometimes they are just annoying as hell or people have wierd conspiracy theories about them (like Cal Scout hitbox and the bolt pistol aim assist, which is no better than any other hitscan pistol's aim assist).
Slim Winning Grade No.2 170	Posted - 2015.07.22 20:12:00 - [8] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 405	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:06:00 - [9] - Quote I turned AA on for five matches with a dual bolt pistol setup. It was meh. Turned AA off again and got my deadeye back. I think it rewards people who aim. Does it headshot like a Mack truck? Yes. Will it hipfire a scout into ashes? Yes. Do my bullets warp time and bend space? Lolno (I begged to keep 6 shooter variant so don't fotm me boi) Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:19:00 - [10] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I love how not a single thread about the bolt pistol addresses any relevant data, like comparison to SMG sales (which outnumber it 2:1) or have any video, numbers, or any evidence beyond "IT DUN KILLED MEH!!" A Space Magnum is going to hit like a Magnum. Surprise, surprise. Are you honestly suggesting that magic bullet magnetism and the ability to deal near 1000 or even more damage with a headshot at 50m is balanced? You have any evidence of this? Video, numbers, maybe a dev post stating it's needing to be tuned? Anything at all relevant? Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:33:00 - [11] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game No one asked for that buff. No one.
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:41:00 - [12] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game No one asked for that buff. No one. I really didn't want a Duvolle tact rifle ammo increase either. I told him the problem with it is the range, that's it. You can't have a tactical weapon that's supposed to reward accuracy when the range is abysmal compared to that of an assault Combat Rifle. More damage isn't even the question to it like Rattati is thinking about giving it, Jesus. I really hate it when they do that ninja crap out of nowhere....what am I even talking about anymore. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 915	Posted - 2015.07.22 23:14:00 - [13] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol).
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 407	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:18:00 - [14] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol). Before it was buffed, it was the most balanced gun CCP ever released. It was perfect. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 407	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:24:00 - [15] - Quote I would also like to point out, the OP and people who agree are gallente. The race that gun is meant to gank. So to me this is alot like my brothers crying for a scrumblerr nerf. Working as intended. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:37:00 - [16] - Quote Wait are we still talking about this? 8 months ago, just before I took my dust-cation the bolt pistol nerd threads were all over the place. Have the numbers changed again or are people still talking about the same weapon I remember? I will put together some charts and make some actual comparisons of pistol stats so we can revive an actual conversation about this rather than complaining and throwing anecdotal evidence about like it it is fact. Now with more evil.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 916	Posted - 2015.07.23 17:05:00 - [17] - Quote Devadander wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol). Before it was buffed, it was the most balanced gun CCP ever released. It was perfect. So perfect that you never saw it used.
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 309	Posted - 2015.07.23 19:07:00 - [18] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Devadander wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol). Before it was buffed, it was the most balanced gun CCP ever released. It was perfect. So perfect that you never saw it used. I protod it out when it first came out n ive been using it the weapon is meant to tear through armor issue with this weapon n allot of others like scr combat hell even the rr came it it wasnt doing the correct profile a armor weapon like rail weapons is supposed to tear through armor but be pitifull against shields same for laser it demolished shields befor n now it does that to both : / the assault rifle was the only weapon in game that was balanced does great against shields ok against armor not amazing but ok. Cr eeeehhhh needs a bit of balancing n I say balancing not nerf cuz of same issue FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Jammer Jalapeno Kirjuun Heiian 270	Posted - 2015.07.23 19:12:00 - [19] - Quote Come on now people ... every weapon has it's day in the spotlight... And for once every race has an OP weapon right now. Gallente: Tac AR + PLCs Caldari: Bolt Pistol Minmitar: Assault HMG Amarr: Scramblers MmMmMm Glitter
Slim Winning Grade No.2 178	Posted - 2015.07.23 19:19:00 - [20] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Devadander wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol). Before it was buffed, it was the most balanced gun CCP ever released. It was perfect. So perfect that you never saw it used. Why would the playerbase flock to something fair and balanced?? This playerbase is garbage, and will only use FoTM, then deny it...

Chosokabe Ite Shields Of The State 90	Posted - 2015.07.23 20:19:00 - [21] - Quote I've been bested plenty times while using the bolt pistol, the trick is to not get hit and take advantage of the low rate of fire. :)
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 919	Posted - 2015.07.23 20:48:00 - [22] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: Why would the playerbase flock to something fair and balanced?? This playerbase is garbage, and will only use FoTM, then deny it... I have 30 fittings. 1 uses nova knives, 4 are commandos, 1 ion pistol, 3 use bolt pistols, 1 uses a scrambler pistol (for the lulz), 20 use SMGs. SMGs are flavor of the forever. Not because they are imbalanced, but because they are the best overall sidearm. The only thing the bolt pistol has over the SMG are range, so I use it with shotgun and HMG fits. That is the only niche they have. These things arent OP, they arent even FOTM, I see them in maybe 30% of the games Im in, much less get killed by them. Meanwhile I see SMG every single game. Again not because the SMG is OP, but because its the best all around sidearm. Stop trying to get one of the 4 functional sidearms nerfed. We dont need another useless boondogle, I already have stupid screw around trolling fits with the ion pistol and the scrambler pistol, I dont need another one. Even now with all the agitation on the forums the thing isnt used nearly as much as the SMG, thats because people use it and actually notice that the SMG serves them better in 90% of instances where a sidearm is needed, and literally any light weapon is better than the bolt pistol.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 409	Posted - 2015.07.23 23:03:00 - [23] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Devadander wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Slim Winning wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: you must be new... it was nerfed. shouldve seen it before lol Before it was super-buffed, it was actual a balanced SIDEARM. Now, it's still hand-cannon, that's the one of the top 3 weapons in the game Before it was buffed It was a piece of trash that nobody used except for giggles. And the top three weapons in the game are HMG, shotgun, and scrambler rifle, probably closely followed by the ASCR, ARR, and combat rifle variants (these are guesses, but its certainly not the bolt pistol). Before it was buffed, it was the most balanced gun CCP ever released. It was perfect. So perfect that you never saw it used. Before the buff, you had to land 5/6 to drop a medium. 1-2 on head. 2/6 to drop a scout. 1 to the head. Heavies... Prolly don't try it. Unless you felt good enough to land 3 headshots... So yeah, it was far from fotm lol Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~


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