DUST Search - Voters need to know: Actual role of CPM

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM.

Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al
There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power.

CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect).

The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM.
Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one.

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Sure, but there are some things that -WE-, the community, can do without CCP if we only have just a -little- give and leeway. Just a little bit.

One of the things I've always wanted for Dust 514 was Portuguese localization and while I totally and completely understand that it just isn't feasible for CCP to hire people to handle up on that, the community can absolutely come up with -SOMETHING- to help Portuguese speaking players along. I tried to do that with a revitalization fo the Dust 514 wiki but it's just soooo much work (seriously that thing is incredibly outdated) and I have very limited knowledge of Wiki-wizardry. I might give it another shot, because if we can get the wiki in working, current and updated order than maybe we can have someone in the community come in and translate.

Hell I'd even give them freaggin Aurum cards if they did... Barring, of course, that isn't considered RMT...

Once that happened all CCP would have to do is put a link to the Portuguese wiki in the Daily Login message or something.... That's all I'm asking, really.

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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 07:51:00 - [1] - Quote Taken from the white paper from CCP that tells candidates the requirements for running and what they expect to do if elected. All of the candidates (including me, vote for me!) can only do variants of the following only when elected. Be infromed forum warriors. CPM OPERATION AND FUNCTION The CPM is responsible for 3 major roles within the DUST 514 development process: a. Input into High Level Planning and Roadmaps: The CPM will be involved in high level planning and have input into potential release roadmaps for DUST 514. The CPM in particular will be invaluable in helping CCP target user GÇ£pain pointsGÇ¥ that will require significant resources to alleviate. The CPM, as an external entity, will be able to provide a fresh perspective on what can be done to improve the player experience in DUST 514. The infrequent nature of this sort of planning necessitates that this will be a sporadic activity. When planning is set to occur the CPM will meet with the Executive Producer and other relevant parties to determine the best method for them to contribute to the process. b. Feedback on Team Features: As teams develop features for a release, they are highly encouraged to share gameplay relevant features with the CPM (using the Private CPM/CCP Forum) to get early, focus-group style feedback. The CPM is uniquely positioned to provide timely and concise feedback, while still understanding that the proposed features may change entirely or be cut from a release. The CPM will typically deliver their feedbackto teams within 48 hours, and a continuing dialogue will help ensure that features are as polished and GÇ£player- proofedGÇ¥ as possible. c. Community Advocacy: The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile players. Their dual role as council members and players allows them a much greater ability to gather the best opinions and ideas of the player base from sources beyond the official DUST 514 forum. Their advocacy can take the form of official programs, analysis of the CPM council forums, and just general player opinion picked up in the course of day-to-day play. Full info can be found here. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2015.07.17 07:55:00 - [2] - Quote Important note: CPM members are not developers, and not managers. As much as they may want something, they cannot ensure a particular feature happens. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 09:26:00 - [3] - Quote I think you guys just want that "CPM" thingy on your forum pic. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.17 09:29:00 - [4] - Quote What I'm confused about is why anyone is unclear on the information presented above. People talk about the CPM like they're expected to make final decisions on how to do what. I'm trying to imagine some jackass standing over Rattati, pointing a finger and issuing commands without getting kneecapped or something. Imagination not strong enough. Kneecappings always part of predicted outcome. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 09:52:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: What I'm confused about is why anyone is unclear on the information presented above. People talk about the CPM like they're expected to make final decisions on how to do what. I'm trying to imagine some jackass standing over Rattati, pointing a finger and issuing commands without getting kneecapped or something. Imagination not strong enough. Kneecappings always part of predicted outcome. I think the way candidates present their ideas leaves that false impression of power. "when i'm elected i'll push for x, y, and z" pssh, yeah right. Rattati does Al the pushing you just got have some decent feedback to give him. Also, because it's an election, people also think it's some sort of community government. It's not.It's ccp pushing the responsibility of choosing community reps on the players, instead of hand picking them. As well they should. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 13:04:00 - [6] - Quote Not to completely disagree, but having actually been on the CPM I would like to clarify that while we can't promise a feature will be added...you most certainly can promise your electors to push for something. When I was elected I promised to push for PC 2.0 and if you were to ask the rest of the CPM, no other topic has had as much time spent in discussion as this. Surely CCP was responsible for making the decision to agree to make PC 2.0, but from day one I was a proponent that PC is extremely important and should be a primary focus of improvement. As a CPM you can do as little or as much as you please...I was responsible for scheduling meetings about ** that was important to me...and what was important to me was relayed by my platform. Final decisions? Not at all, not even close...but to suggest the CPM have no clout? I would heartily disagree. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.17 13:45:00 - [7] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I think you guys just want that "CPM" thingy on your forum pic. You mean the target on your back that gives the average forumite license to heckle you for ** you have little to no control over? @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley** on Skype!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.17 16:40:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I think you guys just want that "CPM" thingy on your forum pic. You mean the target on your back that gives the average forumite license to heckle you for **** you have little to no control over? CPM is confirmation that you are a masochist. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Not to completely disagree, but having actually been on the CPM I would like to clarify that while we can't promise a feature will be added...you most certainly can promise your electors to push for something. When I was elected I promised to push for PC 2.0 and if you were to ask the rest of the CPM, no other topic has had as much time spent in discussion as this. Surely CCP was responsible for making the decision to agree to make PC 2.0, but from day one I was a proponent that PC is extremely important and should be a primary focus of improvement. As a CPM you can do as little or as much as you please...I was responsible for scheduling meetings about **** that was important to me...and what was important to me was relayed by my platform. Final decisions? Not at all, not even close...but to suggest the CPM have no clout? I would heartily disagree. I also know Judge personally, before and after the CPM. He didn't have to break the NDA to let me know talking vehicles was like sprinting into a brick wall. A cautionary tale if there ever was one. Not for voters, but for the people running. I'm dead sure he didn't expect half of the trouble he did. Dropping the cpm was the right choice for him. Dropships still haven't been touched since hot fix delta, would have been a year of his time pretty much wasted. Both your story and his are true. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:07:00 - [10] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: I also know Judge personally, before and after the CPM. He didn't have to break the NDA to let me know talking vehicles was like sprinting into a brick wall. A cautionary tale if there ever was one. Not for voters, but for the people running. I'm dead sure he didn't expect half of the trouble he did. Dropping the cpm was the right choice for him. Dropships still haven't been touched since hot fix delta, would have been a year of his time pretty much wasted. Both your story and his are true. I think the majority of the CPM and CCP would caution you to take Judge with a grain of salt lol. Talking PC was like sprinting into a brick wall when I began...but I didn't quit...when someone insinuated PC wasn't important I sprinted into that wall with all the force I possessed. Dropping the CPM was the right choice for him. He was asked to help influence dropships and he failed to speak up. When the wall was weakest he had given up on sprinting. Cautionary tale indeed. Would dropships have not been touched more had he not made numerous false statements in an effort to mitigate the damning fact he chose not to participate? Perhaps...perhaps not. Assuming that a CPM's time would have been wasted because a single issue may not have gone their way is appalling. It's that sort of attitude that we need to preclude from being on the CPM in the first place. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:57:00 - [11] - Quote The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM. Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power. CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect). The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM. Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one. 0.02 ISK CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Void Echo Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote Promises are nothing without the resources to back them up, much like the president of the United states, he's only a representative of the people to the Supreme Court and house of Representatives. The CPM is here only to give feedback on behalf of the entire Dust514 community first before anything. For CPM candidates to make promises is pure Foley and quite foolish, they can only make sure to push their own agenda that they wish to be addressed by CCP, but whether that agenda is taken notice by CCP is entirely up to CCP themselves. Short version of this, CPM cannot make promises of what will happen, only guarantees that they will attempt to bring certain things to the attention of CCP, how CCP addresses it is up to them in the end. The CPM have no power to enforce any wish or will they have, their purpose is to advise CCP on community matters and tell the players what CCP wants them to know. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Order. For the Federation, For Freedom, *Till all are Free*.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.07.18 00:22:00 - [13] - Quote And if you're one of those players that likes to have ideas; concepts; and balance changes brought in these can be a very slow and long journeys for each one of them. I have had a massive list of thingsIi wanted to see changed and will not be able to see them come alive but I have no doubts that many will be coming to light under CPM 2's term. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.18 00:33:00 - [14] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM. Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power. CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect). The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM. Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one. 0.02 ISK If I were to summarize what I would push for, it would have nothing to do with game balance. The community can do that well enough on their own and if it's anything CCP Rattati has shown with Hotfix Alpha onward, it's that they [the community] absolutely can. They don't need the CPM to hold their hand through the balance discussions.. They just need a little push in the right direction [what to actually discuss], IMO. To put it simply, I'd push for the same thing I've been wanting: - Better community application: API Support for 3rd party stuffs, volunteering, etc. - Better communication from CCP (not just CCP Rattati!) - Ironing out performance in every possible way, I want no stone left unturned and no option not explored. - Additional progression content IN SOME FORM, it doesn't matter if it's post level 5 content or what have you. And while I don't need to be on the CPM to push for those things... it certainly couldn't hurt.... Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.18 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM. Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power. CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect). The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM. Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one. 0.02 ISK Sure, but there are some things that -WE-, the community, can do without CCP if we only have just a -little- give and leeway. Just a little bit. One of the things I've always wanted for Dust 514 was Portuguese localization and while I totally and completely understand that it just isn't feasible for CCP to hire people to handle up on that, the community can absolutely come up with -SOMETHING- to help Portuguese speaking players along. I tried to do that with a revitalization fo the Dust 514 wiki but it's just soooo much work (seriously that thing is incredibly outdated) and I have very limited knowledge of Wiki-wizardry. I might give it another shot, because if we can get the wiki in working, current and updated order than maybe we can have someone in the community come in and translate. Hell I'd even give them freaggin Aurum cards if they did... Barring, of course, that isn't considered RMT... Once that happened all CCP would have to do is put a link to the Portuguese wiki in the Daily Login message or something.... That's all I'm asking, really. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.18 00:43:00 - [16] - Quote This is a good thread. And to all the candidates that haven't linked what they stand for in their sigs, I ask that you hopefully will. It is just a lot easier for people. :) Good luck and 07 PS. I likey Aeon "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.18 00:47:00 - [17] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: This is a good thread. And to all the candidates that haven't linked what they stand for in their sigs, I ask that you hopefully will. It is just a lot easier for people. :) Good luck and 07 PS. I likey Aeon Pssh, add that as another thing I want to push for: Getting CCP raRaRa to extend the damn signature or exempt links from taking up character capacity. I'd love to have a link to the PSD revitalization, the Design-A-SKIN Challenge 2, -AND- my CPM platform but I only have enough for two. I'd rather the space be used for the things that aren't a gamble/up in the air. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 942	Posted - 2015.07.18 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I think you guys just want that "CPM" thingy on your forum pic. I'm fairly sure by now I understand what the CPM is and isn't, as I was the CSM before it. And no, it is not to get a CPM tag. I've gotten to the point of wanting to actively help this game keep its head above water. I'm 43. I ain't got time for chest thumping or ego boosting. The idea of going to China is actually the worst part of it to me. I'd rather meet via webcam. And OH LORD please don't have another Fanfest emergency meeting happen! What a cluster eff that was. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.07.19 01:38:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM. Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power. CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect). The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM. Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one. 0.02 ISK If I were to summarize what I would push for, it would have nothing to do with game balance. The community can do that well enough on their own and if it's anything CCP Rattati has shown with Hotfix Alpha onward, it's that they [the community] absolutely can. They don't need the CPM to hold their hand through the balance discussions.. They just need a little push in the right direction [what to actually discuss], IMO. To put it simply, I'd push for the same thing I've been wanting: - Better community application: API Support for 3rd party stuffs, volunteering, etc. - Better communication from CCP (not just CCP Rattati!) - Ironing out performance in every possible way, I want no stone left unturned and no option not explored. - Additional progression content IN SOME FORM, it doesn't matter if it's post level 5 content or what have you. And while I don't need to be on the CPM to push for those things... it certainly couldn't hurt.... Regarding your action item list, in order That's nothing a CPM can really do anything about due to how 3rd party stuff works with CREST which is not developed by the Dust team and is sourced in Iceland. I'd love to see it happen though. Mostly unlikely simply due to the language barrier as most of the Dust team are Chinese nationals with limited English skills as I understand it. And while I'd love to have more input from the other areas like Iceland when it's relevant that's not most of the communication that's called for, nor is it within the sphere of the CPM (though some of us do still reach a bit beyond our normal context to try and foster such things) Top level focus for Rattati and team, has been for quite awhile and is ongoing. AFAIK it will remain a primary focus until frame per second are not only solid but notably higher. Yeah achievements, more community events tools, post level five, racial vehicle parity, PvE, they're all things that would be great to see in game and stuff that I hope CPM 2 follows in CPM 1's footsteps by continuing to bring up and talk about. CPM 1, reelection platform here.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.07.19 01:44:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: The whitepaper certainly does highlight why candidates who are focused on one role rather than the game at large, or who hold the misconception that they can somehow make CCP do something, aren't going to provide much functional benefit on the CPM. Bringing up issues we see, transmitting player feedback, opening topics for discussion (like my CPM input threads), responding to questions from CCP, et al There is a lot an active CPM can do to provide constructive input to the development process. But make no mistake the CPM is not an executive body and does not hold decision making power. CPM advises, and as such is no place for personal agendas or crusades (such as hyper focus on a single sub-aspect). The TL;DR? If you can't handle being told "no" even when you're sure you're right then you don't do very well as a CPM. Because sooner or later you will be told "no" and you're going to need to be capable of dealing with that in a constructive professional manner even if you have passionate conviction that your view is the correct one. 0.02 ISK Sure, but there are some things that -WE-, the community, can do without CCP if we only have just a -little- give and leeway. Just a little bit. One of the things I've always wanted for Dust 514 was Portuguese localization and while I totally and completely understand that it just isn't feasible for CCP to hire people to handle up on that, the community can absolutely come up with -SOMETHING- to help Portuguese speaking players along. I tried to do that with a revitalization fo the Dust 514 wiki but it's just soooo much work (seriously that thing is incredibly outdated) and I have very limited knowledge of Wiki-wizardry. I might give it another shot, because if we can get the wiki in working, current and updated order than maybe we can have someone in the community come in and translate. Hell I'd even give them freaggin Aurum cards if they did... Barring, of course, that isn't considered RMT... Once that happened all CCP would have to do is put a link to the Portuguese wiki in the Daily Login message or something.... That's all I'm asking, really. Totally legit. Having more active community resources would be a major boon for the players and the game at large and you are absolutely correct that looking for those venues is not only worthwhile but important. Posting such resources in the training grounds is also worthwhile so that the folks newest to the game can get eyes on. CPM 1, reelection platform here.



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