DUST Search - Perma wall hack

Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Its very easy to perma scan, all you have to do is have one guy sit 200 meters from the battle and arc your scan towards the action.

All it takes is for you to be a joyless piece of trash who thinks its fun to play balerina for 20 minutes instead of playing the game so that your team is basically cheating with wall hack the whole match.

I think scanning is a pretty un-fun and failed mechanic, but thankfully you dont have to deal with it in most pubs so whatever.

You don't have to be 200m away to scan, in fact it's best if your not that far away since the longer range scans last far less. In fact if you are truly permanently scanned it's most likely a logi within 100m, or a group of them. A single logi with 200m scanner will only be able to maybe perma scan one narrow beam if they rotate them all on roughly the same location.

As for being a joyless piece of trash.. well that's what team work is about. You can't all be frontline fighters with the super high KDR. some people have to defend objectives with no one around, some people scan. Some people snipe/overwatch. Heck even most vehicles are a waste of time since they drive around doing nothing for the objective and on some maps get very few kills due to their inability to get close to the action.

If you don't care about winning and just want to all run around like headless chickens then it's a good thing you like to stick to pub matches. Obviously your a lone wolf that hates playing for a team.

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Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.07.11 17:43:00 - [1] - Quote I seem to be permanently scanned these days. You have to cheat in most games to wall hack, but in Dust it's a mechanic. And the whole team sees the scans. Sure I could scan the other team all day long too, but two wrongs don't make a right. Seems a daft situation if you ask me.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 47	Posted - 2015.07.11 17:52:00 - [2] - Quote Bar Be wrote: I seem to be permanently scanned these days. You have to cheat in most games to wall hack, but in Dust it's a mechanic. And the whole team sees the scans. Sure I could scan the other team all day long too, but two wrongs don't make a right. Seems a daft situation if you ask me. Eh hard to really take scouts seriously since their speed tends to let them one shot people any ways, even with scans going. Plus you have to consider it's not easy to have a perma scan going. The logi tends to have to run 2-3 scanners minimum just to cover a small part of the map. If your perma scanned on the entire map, well that means at least 4-5 of the other team are all semi useless logi's running scanners. It's taking vital equipment out of the other teams hands to do so. The obvious choice would be to stop running a scout. Just like if your constantly getting knifed in the back by scouts the obvious choice is to pull out some scanners... If you have to stay scout and you won't change your mind, shift up your fit a bit. Forget dampeners or cloaks since they won't do much good. Push speed, dmg and survivability. Move so fast and so hard it won't matter if they see you or not.
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.07.11 17:58:00 - [3] - Quote What makes you think I run scout?
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:07:00 - [4] - Quote Bar Be wrote: What makes you think I run scout? Because Scouts are generally the only ones that complain about being scanned? The rest of us are down for a fight and don't care if you see us, you still have to kill us xD 10% of US schools no longer teach Cursive. A decade from now, 10% of the US isn't going to understand all the squiglies.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 872	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:19:00 - [5] - Quote Oh, sorry I just skilled into pro scanners and put FOUR scanners on my pro gallogi. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:26:00 - [6] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Bar Be wrote: What makes you think I run scout? Because Scouts are generally the only ones that complain about being scanned? The rest of us are down for a fight and don't care if you see us, you still have to kill us xD Yeah, but it does lead to some pretty lame gameplay.
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:29:00 - [7] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Oh, sorry I just skilled into pro scanners and put FOUR scanners on my pro gallogi. Sad face. How much ISK is that fit btw?
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 874	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:38:00 - [8] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Bar Be wrote: I seem to be permanently scanned these days. You have to cheat in most games to wall hack, but in Dust it's a mechanic. And the whole team sees the scans. Sure I could scan the other team all day long too, but two wrongs don't make a right. Seems a daft situation if you ask me. Eh hard to really take scouts seriously since their speed tends to let them one shot people any ways, even with scans going. Plus you have to consider it's not easy to have a perma scan going. The logi tends to have to run 2-3 scanners minimum just to cover a small part of the map. If your perma scanned on the entire map, well that means at least 4-5 of the other team are all semi useless logi's running scanners. It's taking vital equipment out of the other teams hands to do so. The obvious choice would be to stop running a scout. Just like if your constantly getting knifed in the back by scouts the obvious choice is to pull out some scanners... If you have to stay scout and you won't change your mind, shift up your fit a bit. Forget dampeners or cloaks since they won't do much good. Push speed, dmg and survivability. Move so fast and so hard it won't matter if they see you or not. Its very easy to perma scan, all you have to do is have one guy sit 200 meters from the battle and arc your scan towards the action. All it takes is for you to be a joyless piece of trash who thinks its fun to play balerina for 20 minutes instead of playing the game so that your team is basically cheating with wall hack the whole match. I think scanning is a pretty un-fun and failed mechanic, but thankfully you dont have to deal with it in most pubs so whatever.
Patrick57 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:43:00 - [9] - Quote Scan them back. That's what I do save the world from dihydrogen monoxide fact: 100% of people that consume dihydrogen monoxide die http://www.dhmo.org
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 48	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:47:00 - [10] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Its very easy to perma scan, all you have to do is have one guy sit 200 meters from the battle and arc your scan towards the action. All it takes is for you to be a joyless piece of trash who thinks its fun to play balerina for 20 minutes instead of playing the game so that your team is basically cheating with wall hack the whole match. I think scanning is a pretty un-fun and failed mechanic, but thankfully you dont have to deal with it in most pubs so whatever. You don't have to be 200m away to scan, in fact it's best if your not that far away since the longer range scans last far less. In fact if you are truly permanently scanned it's most likely a logi within 100m, or a group of them. A single logi with 200m scanner will only be able to maybe perma scan one narrow beam if they rotate them all on roughly the same location. As for being a joyless piece of trash.. well that's what team work is about. You can't all be frontline fighters with the super high KDR. some people have to defend objectives with no one around, some people scan. Some people snipe/overwatch. Heck even most vehicles are a waste of time since they drive around doing nothing for the objective and on some maps get very few kills due to their inability to get close to the action. If you don't care about winning and just want to all run around like headless chickens then it's a good thing you like to stick to pub matches. Obviously your a lone wolf that hates playing for a team.

maybe deadcatz the nomercs 331	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:54:00 - [11] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Oh, sorry I just skilled into pro scanners and put FOUR scanners on my pro gallogi. Having fun getting shotgunned in the back anyway. You never know when and were i'll come from. scanner? whats that? you can see enemies on the radar? just use your eyes and save a equipment slot for something useful
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 874	Posted - 2015.07.11 18:55:00 - [12] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Its very easy to perma scan, all you have to do is have one guy sit 200 meters from the battle and arc your scan towards the action. All it takes is for you to be a joyless piece of trash who thinks its fun to play balerina for 20 minutes instead of playing the game so that your team is basically cheating with wall hack the whole match. I think scanning is a pretty un-fun and failed mechanic, but thankfully you dont have to deal with it in most pubs so whatever. You don't have to be 200m away to scan, in fact it's best if your not that far away since the longer range scans last far less. In fact if you are truly permanently scanned it's most likely a logi within 100m, or a group of them. A single logi with 200m scanner will only be able to maybe perma scan one narrow beam if they rotate them all on roughly the same location. As for being a joyless piece of trash.. well that's what team work is about. You can't all be frontline fighters with the super high KDR. some people have to defend objectives with no one around, some people scan. Some people snipe/overwatch. Heck even most vehicles are a waste of time since they drive around doing nothing for the objective and on some maps get very few kills due to their inability to get close to the action. If you don't care about winning and just want to all run around like headless chickens then it's a good thing you like to stick to pub matches. Obviously your a lone wolf that hates playing for a team. Arcing scans from 200 meters away creates a very large arc. Teamwork is not about being a joyless piece of trash, its very fun to run in a squad that actually acts as a squad. Having one of your players sit there and scan constantly is basically putting him in time out, and if he isnt constantly scanning, then you arent being perma scanned. So yes herpa derpa I like pubs, because the broken balance of the game isnt relentlessly exploited there by try hards (most of the time), so sometimes pubs are actually fun. Unless you think being scanned constantly and having murder scouts pop up behind you and one shot you while you try to break up yet another nearly unkillable heavy/logi combo while some ** plinks at you from overwatch on some bridge and you try to avoid a nearly unkillable ** in a python trying to missile you to death is fun.
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2015.07.11 20:06:00 - [13] - Quote For something that can effect the match so much, there should be a more viable and interesting counter. Something like a scan jammer, or even better a scan spoofer that would make scanned dots appear in the wrong place. Or even cause red dots to appear that don't really exist... One can dream.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.11 20:23:00 - [14] - Quote Meh. As a Minmatar Scout I'm using to being scanned anyways because my suit doesn't have any EWAR. The question is can you catch up to me? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 20:29:00 - [15] - Quote Bar Be wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Bar Be wrote: What makes you think I run scout? Because Scouts are generally the only ones that complain about being scanned? The rest of us are down for a fight and don't care if you see us, you still have to kill us xD Yeah, but it does lead to some pretty lame gameplay. No more lame than Blacklight Retribution where you can literally see through walls and look at the person you're wanting to kill for a duration. At least with this there is some level of uncertainty - you don't know what kind of suit they're running, what kind of weapon, fitting, etc. 10% of US schools no longer teach Cursive. A decade from now, 10% of the US isn't going to understand all the squiglies.


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