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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.10 09:59:00 -
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So, just in case anyone is unaware:
There are three attributes that affect rate of fire on every weapon.
1: the rate of fire. This would be the "rounds per minute." That attribute measures the weapon's ability to cycle rounds through and send them downrange. RoF does NOT take into account for the other two attributes.
Charge time: common on caldari weapons charge time is how long you must wait after you pull the trigger for your weapon to fire again.
Refire delay: it's not what it is called in the system, it's what I call it. This is the mandatory delay that the game mandates after a triggerpull. Refire delay is most noticable on the forge gun and combat rifle, slowing the rate of fire and forcing you to wait out the duration of the delay before you can take certain actions, such as sprinting, reloading and firing again.
Because all three of these things are involved, how would the rate of fire mods affect them?
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:14:00 -
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On most automatic weapons the effect of the second two factors would be negligible.
On the base assault rifle, for instance, there is no/negligible refire delay because it is possible to successfully use a modded controller to fire at max RoF without recoil.
This is true of other automatic weapons such as the breach and ACR.
The RR and ARR would still receive benefits from a RoF mod even if it didn't affect charge time.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:16:00 -
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for simplicity, the user should notice a appreciable increase in their ability to put more rounds out.
so a RoF mod shoud speed up all aspects. shorter charge times, more rounds per minute, and decreased time spent in animations between shots (faster pumping action while using shotguns for example)
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:18:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On most automatic weapons the effect of the second two factors would be negligible.
On the base assault rifle, for instance, there is no/negligible refire delay because it is possible to successfully use a modded controller to fire at max RoF without recoil.
This is true of other automatic weapons such as the breach and ACR.
The RR and ARR would still receive benefits from a RoF mod even if it didn't affect charge time.
i think it be easier to simply increase the rounds per minute. some weapons will benefit from the RoF mod, and others won't. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:19:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:for simplicity, the user should notice a appreciable increase in their ability to put more rounds out.
so a RoF mod shoud speed up all aspects. shorter charge times, more rounds per minute, and decreased time spent in animations between shots (faster pumping action while using shotguns for example)
It's also the three attributes that put the hardest brakes on DPS.
On any weapon that has a high refire delay, the forge gun, for instance, the difference in DPS can be incredible.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:20:00 -
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If you want to discuss ROF modules do it here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207815&find=unread
Ive adressed the charge up time aswell so that weapons like forgeguns benefit from those modules too.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:20:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On most automatic weapons the effect of the second two factors would be negligible.
On the base assault rifle, for instance, there is no/negligible refire delay because it is possible to successfully use a modded controller to fire at max RoF without recoil.
This is true of other automatic weapons such as the breach and ACR.
The RR and ARR would still receive benefits from a RoF mod even if it didn't affect charge time. i think it be easier to simply increase the rounds per minute. some weapons will benefit from the RoF mod, and others won't.
Modules should never be useful to some and useless to others unless separate mods are made to cover the gap.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:22:00 -
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This is more a direct question to rattati/me tossing out something to consider.
I'm less concerned with how the things should be balanced, more with how they are envisioned to function.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On most automatic weapons the effect of the second two factors would be negligible.
On the base assault rifle, for instance, there is no/negligible refire delay because it is possible to successfully use a modded controller to fire at max RoF without recoil.
This is true of other automatic weapons such as the breach and ACR.
The RR and ARR would still receive benefits from a RoF mod even if it didn't affect charge time. i think it be easier to simply increase the rounds per minute. some weapons will benefit from the RoF mod, and others won't. Modules should never be useful to some and useless to others unless separate mods are made to cover the gap.
If i go with that logic i could aswell claim that a scrambler rifle gets more of a damage boost then a assault combat rifle. So thats allready flawed.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:25:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On most automatic weapons the effect of the second two factors would be negligible.
On the base assault rifle, for instance, there is no/negligible refire delay because it is possible to successfully use a modded controller to fire at max RoF without recoil.
This is true of other automatic weapons such as the breach and ACR.
The RR and ARR would still receive benefits from a RoF mod even if it didn't affect charge time. i think it be easier to simply increase the rounds per minute. some weapons will benefit from the RoF mod, and others won't. Modules should never be useful to some and useless to others unless separate mods are made to cover the gap.
Then they have to cover an incredibly wide range of scenarios.
Consider the plasma cannon, for instance. The DPS limiter is primarily based in its reload speed and increasing RoF or decreasing charge time would have no/little effect.
Or the swarm launcher, where a significant part of the fire rate is based on the lock on time.
If -all- of these are affected by a single mod I would argue that the effects of the mod are too broadly effective.
Also, what about semi-automatic weapons? In a lot of cases there the fire rate is already high enough as to be at the limits of what a human finger can achieve. Increasing RoF there would simply encourage modded controllers.
A mod doesn't need to be effective on everything.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:09:00 -
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Another thing to consider is RoF vs damage is NEVER 1:1 comparison.
10% RoF is a higher DPS jump than 10% raw damage by a sharp margin.
If they were to balance out then the light mods would likely be around 5% and heavy mods why bother?
Finally since RoF always carries higher value, putting the damage mods low and RoF mods would do the opposite of giving shield suits an edge. Because it would again put the DPS advantage firmly in the hands of armor.
To clarify. This is not: why this is a bad idea. This is me saying "we need to account for these variables"
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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