DUST Search - The new commando changes:

CommanderBolt wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Heracles Porsche wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Bright Cloud wrote:

Im looking worried to the minmatarr commando with its upcoming 3 highslots. Which means you will be aible to stack tripple damage mods, then have 15% from the proficency, then add 10% from the commando itself and to top it off 6% from the warbarge on damage. As if dropships didnt allready had a hard time to begin with now swarms on that commando are going to be even more powerfull. I highly advise to change the swarm launcher damage profile to be kinetic which then means its a weapon that the caldari commando gets a bonus to.

I will finally see if that doesn't make the Caldari Commando competitive and reduces the AV threat a little from the Minmando.

poster said kinetic, but i think they meant to say making swarms launcher a rail type damage weapon, amirite?

I am excited for this.

Quick translation: Goon Style

For those of you who cannot speak Spreadsheets in Spaes, and Nerditonics, here is a quick translation guide.

EM= Electromagnetic Damage, AKA Pew Pew Lasers. Not f**king hard to understand, right?

Thermal= Plasma. Buy your Freedom Fries at the nearest Hypocrite Recruitment Station (Gallente Militia Recruiter)

Kinetic= Rails. Seriously, if any of you nitwits cannot comprehend hitting a solid thing with another solid thing, there's no goddamn hope for any of you.

Explosive= Mass Drivers, REs and other party favors you share with friends in large groups.

Projectile= This is what you get when you segregate the minmatar damage types. Now we have to get a goddamn hearing on how projectile users feel marginalized by things that go Boom. This is also technically Kinetic for the Physics inept.

And here be the problem of using the EVE damage system style without all of its intricacies.

As I am sure you well know, in EVE projectile ammo comes in different flavours each dealing a different mix of damage type. (Some kinetic, some explosive, some thermal, even EM)

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.06 21:18:00 - [1] - Quote This will be interesting. Although they have the same slot layout of sentinels post-patch, I'm thinking that they can ewasily be purposed the opposite way of the primary function of sentinels. I know, you've all heard me that sentinels make excellent door kickers, yadda yadda yadda. I think Commandos might become the go-to suit for door kicking. With a combination of rifles, suppressive and AV weapons at their fingertips, we might see some more dynamic interactions between assaults and commandos. I encourage people to play with the new suits and see what you can cook up. I doubt they'll hold up to defensive roles the way sents do, but I think they'll be phenomenal heavy breach platforms. Shock troops, as it were. At least the min/gal will. The Cal/Am seem to be better suited for medium range combat and long range suppression. I look forward to hearing how the beasts perform, and how you do it. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.06 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sentinels aren't for door-kicking. They're for door-holding. They may not be FOR it, but GODDAMN they're good at it. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.06 22:01:00 - [3] - Quote looks like I actually will get all of the heavy suits to 5 WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.06 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Tomorrow afternoon I will preform a historical reenactment of the fate of the dinosaurs with a dropship, level 5 minmando, 3 complex light damage mods, and an Agimus' mass driver ... ... ... ...Approved. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.06 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Commandos better be actual commandos. They should just change the name to something else. As long as they're big, fat and slow they will never be actual commandos. Berserker class armor? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 07:44:00 - [6] - Quote This is why it is critical we give rattati good feedback. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 09:44:00 - [7] - Quote It works, but the amssault always did the job better. Higher DPS with longer sustained fire WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 09:54:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We will start with slots. I plan to normalize PG/CPU per Faction and Size, and make the differences with Fitting bonuses. Can you keep us posted on what things you want us to pay attention to? I, at least would like to help fine-tuning the class. I don't have Pokey's intuitive grasp of commando meta. Unless it involves ganking vehicles. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 11:50:00 - [9] - Quote If I may offer, Rattati: The primary failures of the cal/ammando have been the absolute lack of compatible weapon choices. There's really only the RR, sniper and bolt pistol for the calmando, and scramber rifle, laser rifle and scram pistol. Further, the calmando has the worst shield recovery stats of any dropsuit outside of amarr and gallente. The shield recovery is why I have consciously relegated the suit to counter sniper and nothing else. But most of yhe problems with the cal/am commandos can be directly tracked to only having two usable light weapons that take advantage of the native damage type bonus. Edit: And to answer your question earlier I think faction bonuses for weapons on dropsuits should ABSOLUTELY be the stress point. Gallente weapons shpuld shine on gallente dropsuits. Minmatar and amarr have that shine with only a few minor exceptions WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 14:23:00 - [10] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: If I may offer, Rattati: The primary failures of the cal/ammando have been the absolute lack of compatible weapon choices. There's really only the RR, sniper and bolt pistol for the calmando, and scramber rifle, laser rifle and scram pistol. Further, the calmando has the worst shield recovery stats of any dropsuit outside of amarr and gallente. The shield recovery is why I have consciously relegated the suit to counter sniper and nothing else. But most of yhe problems with the cal/am commandos can be directly tracked to only having two usable light weapons that take advantage of the native damage type bonus. Edit: And to answer your question earlier I think faction bonuses for weapons on dropsuits should ABSOLUTELY be the stress point. Gallente weapons shpuld shine on gallente dropsuits. Minmatar and amarr have that shine with only a few minor exceptions bolt pistol doesn't get a damage buff from calcom. the buff is to light hybrid-rails... so it's the RR & Sniper ONLY. The bonus says Rails. The bonus says nothing about light weapons. Plus I tested it WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Further, the calmando has the worst shield recovery stats of any dropsuit outside of amarr and gallente. Caldari Commando shield recharge rate: 20 delay: 6 depleted delay: 8 Minmatar Commando shield recharge rate: 18 delay: 6 depleted delay: 10 I stand corrected. But that kinda points to shield commando revovery rates being bad overall WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote Amarr commando appears to be viable. Testing other 3 WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:25:00 - [13] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Im looking worried to the minmatarr commando with its upcoming 3 highslots. Which means you will be aible to stack tripple damage mods, then have 15% from the proficency, then add 10% from the commando itself and to top it off 6% from the warbarge on damage. As if dropships didnt allready had a hard time to begin with now swarms on that commando are going to be even more powerfull. I highly advise to change the swarm launcher damage profile to be kinetic which then means its a weapon that the caldari commando gets a bonus to. I will finally see if that doesn't make the Caldari Commando competitive and reduces the AV threat a little from the Minmando. poster said kinetic, but i think they meant to say making swarms launcher a rail type damage weapon, amirite? I am excited for this. Quick translation: Goon Style For those of you who cannot speak Spreadsheets in Spaes, and Nerditonics, here is a quick translation guide. EM= Electromagnetic Damage, AKA Pew Pew Lasers. Not f**king hard to understand, right? Thermal= Plasma. Buy your Freedom Fries at the nearest Hypocrite Recruitment Station (Gallente Militia Recruiter) Kinetic= Rails. Seriously, if any of you nitwits cannot comprehend hitting a solid thing with another solid thing, there's no goddamn hope for any of you. Explosive= Mass Drivers, REs and other party favors you share with friends in large groups. Projectile= This is what you get when you segregate the minmatar damage types. Now we have to get a goddamn hearing on how projectile users feel marginalized by things that go Boom. This is also technically Kinetic for the Physics inept. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:31:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I just wonder why CCP chose to call them "Commandos". From what I can tell (at least from a British perspective) is that Commandos specialise in coastal / amphibious deployment. Working behind enemy lines / occupied territory, in extreme environments and to specialise in key roles. Now that last part "Specialise" does sort of apply to Commandos in DUST 514 however the rest does not. One could also argue that DUST 514 commandos do not really specialise all that much into anything. I consider suits like the Amarr Assault a more specialised role (in terms of speccing laser tech) or even suits such as the Min scout for speccing hacking speed. In an ideal world do we rename (and re-imagine?) Commandos or do we change their stats and roles to become true Commandos? I think getting hung up on terminology isn't going to get us anywhere. Very few people understand what a commando is outside of the schwarzennegger movie, so no point trying to educate people. Past that, it's about as worrisome as calling Space troopers "Marines" when their job has not one goddamn thing to do with water. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:32:00 - [15] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Im looking worried to the minmatarr commando with its upcoming 3 highslots. Which means you will be aible to stack tripple damage mods, then have 15% from the proficency, then add 10% from the commando itself and to top it off 6% from the warbarge on damage. As if dropships didnt allready had a hard time to begin with now swarms on that commando are going to be even more powerfull. I highly advise to change the swarm launcher damage profile to be kinetic which then means its a weapon that the caldari commando gets a bonus to. I will finally see if that doesn't make the Caldari Commando competitive and reduces the AV threat a little from the Minmando. poster said kinetic, but i think they meant to say making swarms launcher a rail type damage weapon, amirite? I am excited for this. Quick translation: Goon Style For those of you who cannot speak Spreadsheets in Spaes, and Nerditonics, here is a quick translation guide. EM= Electromagnetic Damage, AKA Pew Pew Lasers. Not f**king hard to understand, right? Thermal= Plasma. Buy your Freedom Fries at the nearest Hypocrite Recruitment Station (Gallente Militia Recruiter) Kinetic= Rails. Seriously, if any of you nitwits cannot comprehend hitting a solid thing with another solid thing, there's no goddamn hope for any of you. Explosive= Mass Drivers, REs and other party favors you share with friends in large groups. Projectile= This is what you get when you segregate the minmatar damage types. Now we have to get a goddamn hearing on how projectile users feel marginalized by things that go Boom. This is also technically Kinetic for the Physics inept. And here be the problem of using the EVE damage system style without all of its intricacies. As I am sure you well know, in EVE projectile ammo comes in different flavours each dealing a different mix of damage type. (Some kinetic, some explosive, some thermal, even EM) that was just the quick and dirty breakdown of the preferred racial damage leanings. And an opportunity to be an ass. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Im looking worried to the minmatarr commando with its upcoming 3 highslots. Which means you will be aible to stack tripple damage mods, then have 15% from the proficency, then add 10% from the commando itself and to top it off 6% from the warbarge on damage. As if dropships didnt allready had a hard time to begin with now swarms on that commando are going to be even more powerfull. I highly advise to change the swarm launcher damage profile to be kinetic which then means its a weapon that the caldari commando gets a bonus to. I will finally see if that doesn't make the Caldari Commando competitive and reduces the AV threat a little from the Minmando. Whats your proof that the Cal Commando is not competitive? (I completely agree with you, Im just wondering what data (if any) is telling you this since the last I saw they had absurdly good kills per spawn due to their constant use as a sniper platform) It's not competitive as anything BUT a sniper. and even then it's not the most favored fit for sniping. I would like to see the calmando K/D ratio if you eliminated all sniper rifle kills from it's setup WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote It won't. It'll just give vehicle drivers a false sense of security. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.