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I'm fairly certain this concept would work just fine on console, maybe even on the PS3 since we aren't even talking about expanding the player count any. The beauty of this concept is that it could be implemented with the limited assets we have available right now.

I'm afraid none of that is valid.

Dust isn't seeking and doesn't need the approval of arrogant EVE players who feel they are too good to play a game on a console because of other players on that console.

EVE players are welcome to play Dust, but certainly don't have to. Since then Dust has built it's own community completely separate from EVE and it's going to stay that way.

STOP.

That is a bullshit argument and it needs to die and not come back. What a company does with their income is entirely their business, and having paid an EVE subscription does not entitle you to demand they only develop games for the platform you play EVE on.

The community we have now is tiny but very dedicated to a game that they've managed to see the good in beyond all it's flaws. You are automatically denigrating that by pulling that superior tone and then attacking Talos based on the fact that running for CPM means supporting "Veterans" over other players who have just as much right to be represented.

Also keep in mind that I and others who are still here are also "Veterans" and you most certainly do NOT speak for us.

What I see in the forums is a lot of positive suggestions, and trolls trying to get a rise out of people. Humility and maturity go a long way, and flaming a person for an idea without a solid ... Somewhat objective critique is just overlooked while people *grabs popcorn*

There are actually quite a few people I've met in EVE that would love just that.

Consider for a moment how much gear is bought on a daily basis just by the small number of players we have right now, and how much that gear costs.

For an EVE player manufacturing that gear, Dust would be a goldmine, and the issue of scalping would take care of itself same as it does with EVE assets because suppliers constantly undercut each other in order to get sales. That would drive prices down to the point that you could probably buy gear for less than you can get it from the NPC market right now.

And that's just talking about marketing, not even mentioning that the current Planetary Conquest bonuses to starbases in EVE drastically reduce manufacturing costs. The only issue is no one wants to do large-scale manufacturing in low-sec due to the ever-present danger.

Lol. Good eye. It's funny seeing people try to hijack posts: Not realizing there's no such thing as bad publicity ;)


Anyway, my closing statement to the trolls:

We all want more integration. There are endless ways we can go about that, and you may agree or disagree with the particular idea I have here, that's fine and I appreciate all opinions.

Regarding Communities: Dust and EVE are separate communities which I feel should be connected as closely as possible, yet retain independence from each other at the same time.

Regarding Port: There are many opinions on where and how Dust should be ported. Many good points on all sides of the argument. However, saying Dust should go to PC because EVE players feel they are too good to play with people who own consoles is not a good point. It's flat out terrible, and hilarious that people would even suggest that in a serious manner.

Regarding Original Post: I suggested this as a fun means of cooperation between the two games, and I appreciate all feedback on what you'd like added or subtracted from it.


Thanks for all the feedback. Looking forward to more thoughts on this!



EDIT: And while you're here, I'd appreciate feedback on this thread as well

PC + Strengthening the EVE link

Ah, you hang out on the EVE forums. That explains your viewpoint on this.

You realize most of the people there are the kind that whine about how CONCORD can't kill the nasty barge-bumpers before they can even do anything because it interrupts their mining?

Your post brought to mind the posts of many others I have seen on these forums that try to claim that people who subscribe to EVE have "earned" the right for Dust to be taken away from the current community and put on PC. (As a response to that one statement you had burried in there, I AM subscribed to EVE, by the way. )

A core issue with integration is always going to be the current design of this game. It is a 32-player lobby-based matchmade shooter, and that doesn't really mesh with New Eden. The further problem was that EVE: Legion was going to have no integration whatsoever which you can see CCP being very open about in their FanFest 2014 videos. This comes from their "new policy" of "developing kick-ass standalone games before considering integration", which to me smells a lot like Hilmar again jumping in and micro-managing too much, which is part of what caused all that crap in 2011.

A majority of EVE players I still keep running into aren't even aware that Dust is still online, and quite a few were surprised to see Hilmar mention it at FanFest this year. Despite that, especially while trying to encourage Gallente Militia players to help out with the Dust side, most of the responses have been positive. The FW system in Dust needs some work in order to match what should be required for EVE integration, but the only players I've seen that are mad about it are the Caldari because there weren't many organized groups who would queue for Caldari, resulting in nearly all FW battles being Gallente wins. That in turn makes it damn hard to capture systems in EVE.

I'm rambling, but what I'm trying to get across here is that the general attitude toward Dust from the EVE community - as I've seen it - is apathy. The kind of people who are responding to you on the EVE forums about how Dust needs to be moved to PC and then made subscription based because the current players "don't deserve to be part of New Eden" are the kinds of people most of us that play EVE just tune out and don't even listen to, as I'm sure you're aware since you play it as well.

These forums are tending to provoke a lot of knee-jerk reactions from me lately when I see certain words used in certain combinations. The fact is that I STILL believe in the concept CCP pitched back in 2009 when they first revealed this game, which is to bring console gamers into New Eden, a group of gamers who would normally not get to experience it. I love the idea of having an experience tailored toward console gamers that could potentially put my EVE assets in danger, because danger is what makes EVE fun.

If you go back and look at the responses to the old Dust trailers, in particular the Future Vision one with a likely 3,000,000,000 ISK Moros getting one-shotted from Dust, you'll find that the responses both from the attendees and afterward on the forums had a LOT of positive posts.

Part of the issue we face now is that we STILL have no idea what the rest of CCP Shanghai is doing, other than some number of them having worked on a small VR game for Samsung's Gear VR headset. As far as what the rest of that division has been doing and whether that's related to Dust or Legion or what platform they're working toward is all entirely speculation right now.

That kind of uncertainty wears on people, and it's wearing on this community.

I have no doubt however that no one in CCP actually wants Dust to be like it is now. This game in it's current state is not representative of the vision they presented, and I'm sure no one understands that better than they do. Part of what drove their Project Legion announcement was what seemed like desperation to try and make the game into what it was supposed to be as quickly as possible, because right now the handling of this game seems like a bit of a black mark on the company.

What worries me is that what we do hear from CCP sometimes makes me feel like they discount the importance of the community they built here, or a change of name will sweep away the past and get them all the players they want.

I like the sound of the idea in the OP because even with the limited resources CCP Rattati and his small team have right now, such a system could theoretically be possible. Providing any further variety of gameplay available in Dust would go a long way toward trying to make the game feel more like a part of the world it was designed to occupy, and would provide a diversion from the endless grind of Public Contracts to try and earn ISK and SP.

Like it or not, CCP won't stop waffling and commit unless they can see a clear path to success, and right now the waters are entirely too muddied for that.

Orbital ammo can be used on any fitting with hybrids, lasers, or projectile guns, so why not have these be a variation of Burner missions?

Even before those, CCP set up some pirate storyline missions that are designed for fast frigates as they are completed in null-sec where it's more dangerous. There's precedent for missions that use small ships and supply good enough rewards to make them enticing.

If you design the missions around a fast pace like those Pirate storyline or Burner missions and have them drop some valuable modules on completion, you'd likely find many EVE players who would go for it.

Eve is happening here?!? Must be cross content finally coming...

I'm going to take this over to the EVE Forums.

What section have you been posting in? I'm going to assume it's not GD because anything that goes in there either slides right off the front page or gets **** on.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5876552#post5876552

Alright, Jecture, you're going to have to help me out here if we start getting angry posts. I work tomorrow so I won't be able to shepherd this one all day.

Anyone on here that plays EVE and likes this idea, please show your support over on the EVE Forums!

Good stuff.

Unfortunately with the interest in Dust that I have seen out of Eve players would make anything dependent on Eve a pretty bad bet. Also, considering we can not even get a full dev team for Dust I highly doubt we are going to get resources from Eve devoted this way.

Until then... We need to produce ideas for low involvement for the devs to easily work with to keep the ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR concept alive

Alright, got one post so far and a shitload of views. I need help keeping this bumped.

Who wants it reborn?