DUST Search - Why FARMING is not viable -trade channel discussion-

Got That Dodi wrote:

Ok, so back when I played, a bit over a year ago, I farmed accounts, but in a different way. This may have changed since then, but here is how I did it.

My PS3 allows me to have a maximum of 16 active PSN IDs. I had my main account and character (never actually ran alts), giving me 2 empty slots on my main for farming. Because I was paranoid about getting in trouble (at first), my first alt account had a "main" character. I would funnel the ISK from all the other characters to my "main alt", then send it from the "main alt" to my actual main character.

That left me with a total of 4 empty character slots on 2 accounts for farming.

I then created another 14 alt PSN IDs, with all 3 character slots dedicated to farming, which gave me another 42 empty character slots, for a grand total of 46 empty character slots for farming.

Each day, I would log into each account, create a new character in each of the 46 farming slots, send the ISK I was given as a new character to my "main alt", then send all of that ISK to my actual main, and biomass all 46 of my new characters, then get back on the next day and start the process all over again.

Back then you got 250k for each new character that was created, so 46 multiplied by 250k left me with 11.5 million ISK each day, for a grand total of 345 million ISK per month.

It took just a touch under 2 hours to do this, an hour and a half if I was on the ball.

And I didn't have to spend real money to do it.

Of course it was a massive pain in the butt, and I only did it for one month before I just couldn't bring myself to do it anymore. Of course, ISK was no longer an issue for the rest of my time in Dust.

This is not theory crafting. All the numbers, from the number of accounts to the amount of ISK to the time it took are exact. It was extremely unpleasant and it kinda burned me out on Dust.

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Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 969	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:57:00 - [1] - Quote Okay look....in the trade channels (Alpha's Supply Depot & The Black Market) these is talk every day about the same things. SCAMMING FARMING Today I'm going to tackle farming. Why its not viable and you won't do it. Now, lets say you have a playstation 3 console. You have 16 PSN's with 3 Dust 514 characters each. That's 16x3=48 Now personally? My warbarge makes 146,000 isk per day and zero exp weapons bc I don't have the lab yet. That's 1 of my 3 on this account. But lets give YOU the benefit of the doubt and say you have 48 characters @ 146,000 isk per day. 146,000 isk per day x 48 = 7,008,000 isk per day x 30 days = 210,240,000 isk per month. Now, lets examine how much it costs to get there. Lets assume your main is already LOYALTY RANK 2 at least. That's about $10 spent at the very little. $10 Now, add 15 more iterations of $10 = $150 So now you've spent $150 to farm Dust 514. 200 million isk a month, if you run tanks or full proto you're still broke. You've spent $150 real money to farm imaginary money in a video game. I'm going to boot my PS3 up right now and test how long it takes me to start the game, get through all the loading screens and empty the warbarges in my account.....I'm going to have my fitbit and my iphone time it. .......................... Okay....it took exactly 4 minutes and 15 seconds to totally do it. 4 minutes, 15 seconds x 16 accounts = 66 minutes, 40 seconds. Now you have to do this every 2 days and you have to get it right on the hammer otherwise you lose ISK. BUT MICHAEL EPIC BRO YOU CAN DO IT WITH 64 PSN ACCOUNTS.......... Okay....again, timing adding/removing accounts.... .................... Took me 1 minute, 24 seconds to delete an account, log into another, create new account, name it User 1 or whatever default name it was, add the account (with a keyboard) and get it logged in. Add that on top of the 4 minutes, 15 seconds to unload a warbarge farm account = 346 minutes, give or take (I rounded up) That's 5.74 hours every 2 days and you can't mess up otherwise you'll lose a little bit of everything. Not to mention $10 x 64 = $640 (just to farm imaginary money in a video game) Not going to happen. BUT LETS SAY that you have multiple PS3's. I have 2 of them myself...one at work, one at home. That's $1200, 10 hours a day...you see how it spirals out of control? Yeah, CCP doesn't give us good payouts for pubs. Yeah, the LR2 rank sucks....but I see why they did it. However....although there is some sad ******* out there that might spend 10 hours every 2 days (150 hours a month) to make imaginary money, he can't do it indefinitely. That type of redundant grinding will break your spirit. So once and for all...farming on a large scale in Dust 514 is not happening. No matter what you think. YES I know you can donate to corp but all the math still applies except for minus the $640 or so. But to be viable @ 200 million a month you would need 4-5 PS3's and if you bought 4-5 ps3's and all the hardware needed to run it on multiple TV's or equipment to allow you to change input on the fly....you aren't doing it. (and if you are, for heavens sake bro get a hobby and put that money into something useful) Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 335	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:17:00 - [2] - Quote all you need is two ps3's and a lot of patience, two main accounts are all you need to keep track of, if you do the alts as well you can make even more but in my opinion its not worth the hassle play normally on both accounts split your time 50/50 focus on only upgrading the mobile factory and market network you can use the daily aur to slowly speed up the process if you wish doing this over time will not be much of a hassle and will still net you in a nice passive amount of isk per day after say a years worth of time invested and by this point the accounts should have already reached the point where you can trade freely without having to have spent money just to farm not to mention that if you choose not to use the AUR you can use it to buy BPO's that will net you in a good amount while just playing the game I don't recommend it but if you are patient enough it can pay out well without having to spend money if you already have acess to the two ps3's otherwise you can have two accounts on the same ps3 that you keep track of which makes more sense but being able to switch from one ps3 to another can have its benefits https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff US Border Patrol 196	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote Tbdr Too boring, didn't read I got dem skinz, special order for negative feedback. I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve. McLovin for CPBM2
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 969	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:20:00 - [4] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: all you need is two ps3's and a lot of patience, two main accounts are all you need to keep track of, if you do the alts as well you can make even more but in my opinion its not worth the hassle play normally on both accounts split your time 50/50 focus on only upgrading the mobile factory and market network you can use the daily aur to slowly speed up the process if you wish doing this over time will not be much of a hassle and will still net you in a nice passive amount of isk per day after say a years worth of time invested and by this point the accounts should have already reached the point where you can trade freely without having to have spent money just to farm not to mention that if you choose not to use the AUR you can use it to buy BPO's that will net you in a good amount while just playing the game I don't recommend it but if you are patient enough it can pay out well without having to spend money if you already have acess to the two ps3's otherwise you can have two accounts on the same ps3 that you keep track of which makes more sense but being able to switch from one ps3 to another can have its benefits But the folks in the trade channels are saying that people farm billions of isk from Dust alts and farming. It doesn't happen. It can't happen. You'd need 5 ps3's doing 200 million isk a month to even farm ONE billion a month. That would be so much time you'd have time for nothing else...not eating, sleeping, showering or taking a crap lol Its just not realistic bro. Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote Meanwhile in a south korean house basement a nyan san slave is setting up a room with 16 PS3.... Regressed to blueberry level. Now fitting shield regulators on gal suits & afterburners on HAVs and LAVs.
Z Vatican Hentai Federation 39	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:32:00 - [6] - Quote I mean... I won't say that I've tried hard but I have 4 PSN' Alts and just playing on them normally they are all generally rank 2 or above.... I had a scout alt/ Logi Alt / Sentinal Alt / Vehicle Alt Of course I upgraded the warbarge on all of them so right now I have 4 mobile factories for me but that was pretty much unintentional for farming since I wasn't expecting trading to be out. But when I run officer gear on my main... I pretty much just sell all the crap I give myself. I have only made about 90 mil so far just playing around in a week but 200 mil isk? Jesus... I'm not even that much. I just upgrade then send myself crap. CEO of Hentai Fedeartion / *Caldari is Life- State Peacekeeper- Enemies of the Gallente*
Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff US Border Patrol 197	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:36:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: all you need is two ps3's and a lot of patience, two main accounts are all you need to keep track of, if you do the alts as well you can make even more but in my opinion its not worth the hassle play normally on both accounts split your time 50/50 focus on only upgrading the mobile factory and market network you can use the daily aur to slowly speed up the process if you wish doing this over time will not be much of a hassle and will still net you in a nice passive amount of isk per day after say a years worth of time invested and by this point the accounts should have already reached the point where you can trade freely without having to have spent money just to farm not to mention that if you choose not to use the AUR you can use it to buy BPO's that will net you in a good amount while just playing the game I don't recommend it but if you are patient enough it can pay out well without having to spend money if you already have acess to the two ps3's otherwise you can have two accounts on the same ps3 that you keep track of which makes more sense but being able to switch from one ps3 to another can have its benefits But the folks in the trade channels are saying that people farm billions of isk from Dust alts and farming. It doesn't happen. It can't happen. You'd need 5 ps3's doing 200 million isk a month to even farm ONE billion a month. That would be so much time you'd have time for nothing else...not eating, sleeping, showering or taking a crap lol Its just not realistic bro. Then the real question is why did you believe them? You wasted all that time explaining what others knew or didn't give 2 sheets about. Good work tiger I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve. McLovin for CPBM2
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 335	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:59:00 - [8] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Meanwhile in a south korean house basement a nyan san slave is setting up a room with 16 PS3.... yeah pretty much there's a lot of shops set up across the world for many games it wouldn't be that hard to set one up for dust also it's simply called gold farming it can be done legitly but most games consider it a breach of terms what I think is really going on with the alt farming I say would be from Qsyncs and in PC where some of the more cleaver folk use certain methods to boost isk payouts and otherwise as far as I can remember there has always been exploits they changed throughout Dust history but the results remain namely about the same https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 335	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Z Vatican wrote: I mean... I won't say that I've tried hard but I have 4 PSN' Alts and just playing on them normally they are all generally rank 2 or above.... I had a scout alt/ Logi Alt / Sentinal Alt / Vehicle Alt Of course I upgraded the warbarge on all of them so right now I have 4 mobile factories for me but that was pretty much unintentional for farming since I wasn't expecting trading to be out. But when I run officer gear on my main... I pretty much just sell all the crap I give myself. I have only made about 90 mil so far just playing around in a week but 200 mil isk? Jesus... I'm not even that much. I just upgrade then send myself crap. I have many alts but I never use them I await the day that the passive isk gets to a point where I can at least specialize in one suit but alas that will take a year or two https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 12	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:01:00 - [10] - Quote Ok, so back when I played, a bit over a year ago, I farmed accounts, but in a different way. This may have changed since then, but here is how I did it. My PS3 allows me to have a maximum of 16 active PSN IDs. I had my main account and character (never actually ran alts), giving me 2 empty slots on my main for farming. Because I was paranoid about getting in trouble (at first), my first alt account had a "main" character. I would funnel the ISK from all the other characters to my "main alt", then send it from the "main alt" to my actual main character. That left me with a total of 4 empty character slots on 2 accounts for farming. I then created another 14 alt PSN IDs, with all 3 character slots dedicated to farming, which gave me another 42 empty character slots, for a grand total of 46 empty character slots for farming. Each day, I would log into each account, create a new character in each of the 46 farming slots, send the ISK I was given as a new character to my "main alt", then send all of that ISK to my actual main, and biomass all 46 of my new characters, then get back on the next day and start the process all over again. Back then you got 250k for each new character that was created, so 46 multiplied by 250k left me with 11.5 million ISK each day, for a grand total of 345 million ISK per month. It took just a touch under 2 hours to do this, an hour and a half if I was on the ball. And I didn't have to spend real money to do it. Of course it was a massive pain in the butt, and I only did it for one month before I just couldn't bring myself to do it anymore. Of course, ISK was no longer an issue for the rest of my time in Dust. This is not theory crafting. All the numbers, from the number of accounts to the amount of ISK to the time it took are exact. It was extremely unpleasant and it kinda burned me out on Dust.

2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 897	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:03:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: one at work, one at home. Hate my job so much more now. Evening Boys, Hows the water?
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 971	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote Got That Dodi wrote: Ok, so back when I played, a bit over a year ago, I farmed accounts, but in a different way. This may have changed since then, but here is how I did it. My PS3 allows me to have a maximum of 16 active PSN IDs. I had my main account and character (never actually ran alts), giving me 2 empty slots on my main for farming. Because I was paranoid about getting in trouble (at first), my first alt account had a "main" character. I would funnel the ISK from all the other characters to my "main alt", then send it from the "main alt" to my actual main character. That left me with a total of 4 empty character slots on 2 accounts for farming. I then created another 14 alt PSN IDs, with all 3 character slots dedicated to farming, which gave me another 42 empty character slots, for a grand total of 46 empty character slots for farming. Each day, I would log into each account, create a new character in each of the 46 farming slots, send the ISK I was given as a new character to my "main alt", then send all of that ISK to my actual main, and biomass all 46 of my new characters, then get back on the next day and start the process all over again. Back then you got 250k for each new character that was created, so 46 multiplied by 250k left me with 11.5 million ISK each day, for a grand total of 345 million ISK per month. It took just a touch under 2 hours to do this, an hour and a half if I was on the ball. And I didn't have to spend real money to do it. Of course it was a massive pain in the butt, and I only did it for one month before I just couldn't bring myself to do it anymore. Of course, ISK was no longer an issue for the rest of my time in Dust. This is not theory crafting. All the numbers, from the number of accounts to the amount of ISK to the time it took are exact. It was extremely unpleasant and it kinda burned me out on Dust. I remember that...I used to do it too! That's why I said the grind would burn you out quick...it burned me out quick! I was able to pull it off for a month too before I pretty much hated Dust because of all the grinding just to make ISK lol Farming these days would be expensive and as I stated before...unless you have multiple consoles and a crap ton of money you're willing to spend to make imaginary money....its just not viable. EVEN IF YOU ARE willing to spend the money, its still not viable bc it takes too long lol Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 12	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:07:00 - [13] - Quote Not sure why one would need to spend real money, but yeah, it sucked.
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 244	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:11:00 - [14] - Quote Jeez...How much you must be desperate to buy 2 PS3 for free to play game...Especially Dust lol... Really guys,you need to get laid... Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:15:00 - [15] - Quote Z Vatican wrote: I mean... I won't say that I've tried hard but I have 4 PSN' Alts and just playing on them normally they are all generally rank 2 or above.... I had a scout alt/ Logi Alt / Sentinal Alt / Vehicle Alt Of course I upgraded the warbarge on all of them so right now I have 4 mobile factories for me but that was pretty much unintentional for farming since I wasn't expecting trading to be out. But when I run officer gear on my main... I pretty much just sell all the crap I give myself. I have only made about 90 mil so far just playing around in a week but 200 mil isk? Jesus... I'm not even that much. I just upgrade then send myself crap. your sig has a typo ;-)
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 13	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:21:00 - [16] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Jeez...How much you must be desperate to buy 2 PS3 for free to play game...Especially Dust lol... Really guys,you need to get laid... No reason to need another PS3, definitely no reason to stop f*ckin'
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:06:00 - [17] - Quote You can automate the process with a bluetooth controller that broadcasts the same input commands to multiple ps3 systems...or an sony indy dev kit. You only need one tv if that when mirroring input. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:27:00 - [18] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: shaman oga wrote: Meanwhile in a south korean house basement a nyan san slave is setting up a room with 16 PS3.... yeah pretty much there's a lot of shops set up across the world for many games it wouldn't be that hard to set one up for dust also it's simply called gold farming it can be done legitly but most games consider it a breach of terms what I think is really going on with the alt farming I say would be from Qsyncs and in PC where some of the more cleaver folk use certain methods to boost isk payouts and otherwise as far as I can remember there has always been exploits they changed throughout Dust history but the results remain namely about the same There are some really nice ones in Seoul. I liked Captain PS. http://map.naver.com/local/siteview.nhn?code=21602932 Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:30:00 - [19] - Quote my alts give me enough to keep me running. thats all that counts You'll never have enough ISK to buy my C-II BPO
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:33:00 - [20] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: You can automate the process with a bluetooth controller that broadcasts the same input commands to multiple ps3 systems...or an sony indy dev kit. You only need one tv if that when mirroring input. You can probably code the Android six axis controller to do just this addicted to the Kubo's GMK-16 banana cannon

Russel Mendoza Klandatu 181	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:02:00 - [21] - Quote farming = lmfuckingao I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
Jadek Manaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 23:49:00 - [22] - Quote This looks like a nifty resource on macros and ps3 controller automation. http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/ps3-controller-automation-teensy-2-0-a-84905/
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.25 09:09:00 - [23] - Quote Jadek Manaheim wrote: This looks like a nifty resource on macros and ps3 controller automation. http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/ps3-controller-automation-teensy-2-0-a-84905/ Where there's a will............there's a players-born chart that suggests 0.4 born every minute. Though that's been the case for so long I just now decided CCP must have left some old QA server on -- probably under someone's desk -- which is running non-stop integration tests.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.25 15:49:00 - [24] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Jadek Manaheim wrote: This looks like a nifty resource on macros and ps3 controller automation. http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/ps3-controller-automation-teensy-2-0-a-84905/ Where there's a will............there's a players-born chart that suggests 0.4 born every minute. Though that's been the case for so long I just now decided CCP must have left some old QA server on -- probably under someone's desk -- which is running non-stop integration tests. Biomassing alts isn't an issue any more for the most part. It's in the passive nature of the warbarge and newsletter/recruiter rewards. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Manaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 7	Posted - 2015.06.25 16:06:00 - [25] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Jadek Manaheim wrote: This looks like a nifty resource on macros and ps3 controller automation. http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/ps3-controller-automation-teensy-2-0-a-84905/ Where there's a will............there's a players-born chart that suggests 0.4 born every minute. Though that's been the case for so long I just now decided CCP must have left some old QA server on -- probably under someone's desk -- which is running non-stop integration tests. Dust Devs played around with GIMX back in 2013. The conclusion, Dust's aiming speed was (is?) tied to the frame rate. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014352#post1014352
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 63	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:35:00 - [26] - Quote you dont need to be lr 2 to get isk off account. if you know how please dont mention. more people will try this. doing it all 1 ps3 is possible so $$$ not a factor and if time was a problem they wouldnt be playing game or farming. Therefore you are wrong farming is viable. Me i just double isk CCP Rattati - Grand Dragon Wizard of the Gaylente Agenda Touched by his noodly appendage


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