DUST Search - Proto stomping idea.

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:

nicholas73 wrote:

Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK.
The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can.

I think that offering optional ISK sinks - like SKINs, BPOs, trading - as well as increasing the cost of Proto gear, coupled with changes to PC payouts would help the situation. Very simply, people are more inclined to use Proto gear not only because they like to stomp, but because there is nothing else to spend their ISK on.

Take a player like saxonmish for example (no offence to him). He certainly doesn't have 'billions of ISK', and is in fact very close to being broke. If the cost of Proto gear were increased, he would certainly be unable to spam Proto as he does now, which is detrimental to the NPE.

And that is in a way the whole point. Not that I don't like running my pro galscout, but it will force people like Saxonmish (no offense. I watch your videos all the time) to limit their isk use. And let's be honest. No one likes running pro when the opposite team has a squad of Proto stompers. This will reduce such uneven matches as there are less proto users. Much more decidable battles.

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Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 556	Posted - 2015.06.04 18:13:00 - [1] - Quote So, I'm in 7th pd thinking about my pro gal scout and thinking about forming a pro stomping squad for weekend. All of a sudden, I think about all these people that whine about protostompers. Then I think of the following idea- What if you decrease skill points needed for adv and pro gear in the game, but greatly increase the price of this dropsuits? Reasons- now, you can't whine about Proto stomping because it would be much easier to get them in the first place, And it would limit Proto stomping because of high isk price. This would force poorer proto stompers to use adv or standard gear(theoretically) Why this might not be good because there will be a point where no one would even care about price, EVERYONE would run Proto, until they are broke and start using lower tiers. Also, the faster you unlock stuff, the more boring it starts to get once you have everything. Anyways, think about it. Leave your opinion below. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 557	Posted - 2015.06.04 18:48:00 - [2] - Quote Bump 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.04 18:52:00 - [3] - Quote This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 432	Posted - 2015.06.04 18:55:00 - [4] - Quote Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK. The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can. "Some walks you got to take alone" - Oregairu
Yokal Bob Dead Man's Game 897	Posted - 2015.06.04 18:58:00 - [5] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: So, I'm in 7th pd thinking about my pro gal scout and thinking about forming a pro stomping squad for weekend. All of a sudden, I think about all these people that whine about protostompers. Then I think of the following idea- What if you decrease skill points needed for adv and pro gear in the game, but greatly increase the price of this dropsuits? Reasons- now, you can't whine about Proto stomping because it would be much easier to get them in the first place, And it would limit Proto stomping because of high isk price. This would force poorer proto stompers to use adv or standard gear(theoretically) Why this might not be good because there will be a point where no one would even care about price, EVERYONE would run Proto, until they are broke and start using lower tiers. Also, the faster you unlock stuff, the more boring it starts to get once you have everything. Anyways, think about it. Leave your opinion below. Only people that whine over proto players generally get confused with squads. Its the same resoning that makes objectives seem invisable to bluedots. Vote Dust for PS4
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.04 20:18:00 - [6] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: So, I'm in 7th pd thinking about my pro gal scout and thinking about forming a pro stomping squad for weekend. All of a sudden, I think about all these people that whine about protostompers. Then I think of the following idea- What if you decrease skill points needed for adv and pro gear in the game, but greatly increase the price of this dropsuits? Reasons- now, you can't whine about Proto stomping because it would be much easier to get them in the first place, And it would limit Proto stomping because of high isk price. This would force poorer proto stompers to use adv or standard gear(theoretically) Why this might not be good because there will be a point where no one would even care about price, EVERYONE would run Proto, until they are broke and start using lower tiers. Also, the faster you unlock stuff, the more boring it starts to get once you have everything. Anyways, think about it. Leave your opinion below. Getting a proto stomp squad together? That's ALL I EVER RUN WITH. Solo or squaded. Go proto or go home! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.04 20:26:00 - [7] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK. The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can. I think that offering optional ISK sinks - like SKINs, BPOs, trading - as well as increasing the cost of Proto gear, coupled with changes to PC payouts would help the situation. Very simply, people are more inclined to use Proto gear not only because they like to stomp, but because there is nothing else to spend their ISK on. Take a player like saxonmish for example (no offence to him). He certainly doesn't have 'billions of ISK', and is in fact very close to being broke. If the cost of Proto gear were increased, he would certainly be unable to spam Proto as he does now, which is detrimental to the NPE. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 311	Posted - 2015.06.04 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote I think the problem is people often say proto stomper when they actually mean "4sshole that is trying to ruin the game" . For example in the old style of ambush if you synched squads then for the last 90% of the game you would shooting people as soon they spawned and they had no chance. Part of the reason they did that all day is to drive people away from the game.
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 167	Posted - 2015.06.04 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote You forget about the people that wipe their clone Ass with ISK. But wonderful idea CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 47	Posted - 2015.06.04 22:28:00 - [10] - Quote Actually this idea may be redundant, considering the fact that the "Power Core" idea allows for all slots to be available on basic and adv suits (that are allowed, so caldari mediums will have 5 highs and 3 lows across the board), main reason why proto stomp occurs is cause some suits just simply suck at basic and adv (like caldari) and are only good on proto suits, as for weapon's, if you got the cpu/pg for it, may as well put it on there, right? (By the by, I haven't been keeping up with the latest on the power core thread, so I may be wrong on the slot availability, but if I am right, proto stomping will be reduced significantly). G.R.A.V.E - Dead men tell no tale...

Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 557	Posted - 2015.06.04 22:56:00 - [11] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: nicholas73 wrote: Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK. The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can. I think that offering optional ISK sinks - like SKINs, BPOs, trading - as well as increasing the cost of Proto gear, coupled with changes to PC payouts would help the situation. Very simply, people are more inclined to use Proto gear not only because they like to stomp, but because there is nothing else to spend their ISK on. Take a player like saxonmish for example (no offence to him). He certainly doesn't have 'billions of ISK', and is in fact very close to being broke. If the cost of Proto gear were increased, he would certainly be unable to spam Proto as he does now, which is detrimental to the NPE. And that is in a way the whole point. Not that I don't like running my pro galscout, but it will force people like Saxonmish (no offense. I watch your videos all the time) to limit their isk use. And let's be honest. No one likes running pro when the opposite team has a squad of Proto stompers. This will reduce such uneven matches as there are less proto users. Much more decidable battles. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2	Posted - 2015.06.04 23:02:00 - [12] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: nicholas73 wrote: Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK. The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can. I think that offering optional ISK sinks - like SKINs, BPOs, trading - as well as increasing the cost of Proto gear, coupled with changes to PC payouts would help the situation. Very simply, people are more inclined to use Proto gear not only because they like to stomp, but because there is nothing else to spend their ISK on. Take a player like saxonmish for example (no offence to him). He certainly doesn't have 'billions of ISK', and is in fact very close to being broke. If the cost of Proto gear were increased, he would certainly be unable to spam Proto as he does now, which is detrimental to the NPE. And that is in a way the whole point. Not that I don't like running my pro galscout, but it will force people like Saxonmish (no offense. I watch your videos all the time) to limit their isk use. And let's be honest. No one likes running pro when the opposite team has a squad of Proto stompers. This will reduce such uneven matches as there are less proto users. Much more decidable battles. This is a good idea. Im sitting on 25M, dont run proto much. So it will increase the currently non-existent risk vs reward system. +1 P;The Logician V;Turbulent R;Analylist: Intro 98% Intu 46% Thin 23% Pros 23% Turb 32% Ex 2% GET UP Autistic Ninja
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 558	Posted - 2015.06.04 23:02:00 - [13] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: You forget about the people that wipe their clone Ass with ISK. But wonderful idea Well, that's how it kinda should be. I'm sure they spent a long time running basic and saving isk. I was like half way from 100,000,000 isk once. I ran a basic amarr logi with combat rifle, smg, it was a better assault role. I ran that fitting for like a year. Buying more stuff by the 100 (I would buy like3000 items everyday.) AND THEN I skilled into adv and started going broke. What I mean to say is that if you have billions, enjoy them, cuz you earned that luxury of using them. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
Nachos 311	Posted - 2015.06.04 23:42:00 - [14] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: nicholas73 wrote: Still doesn't solve the problem, with the 750k SP cap and triple booster stacking, getting a proto suit is no problem, money wise some have billions of ISK. The only way to prevent it is to have gear based/ meta based matchmaking, else stompers will stomp because they can. I think that offering optional ISK sinks - like SKINs, BPOs, trading - as well as increasing the cost of Proto gear, coupled with changes to PC payouts would help the situation. Very simply, people are more inclined to use Proto gear not only because they like to stomp, but because there is nothing else to spend their ISK on. Take a player like saxonmish for example (no offence to him). He certainly doesn't have 'billions of ISK', and is in fact very close to being broke. If the cost of Proto gear were increased, he would certainly be unable to spam Proto as he does now, which is detrimental to the NPE. he would be able to spam PRO...he would adjust his playstyle to not die. doubling the cost doesn't affect protostompers (apart from the new ones) because everyone has a billion ISK in their wallets, mostly from passive ISK days. zor's alt
Kinky Fat Bastard OMFGZOMBIESRUN 17	Posted - 2015.06.05 00:53:00 - [15] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? Awesome, it will mean more people can't afford to run it - in other words, those that can afford to run it will continue to, those that cant will jump into their apex suits. Those that don't have Apex suits will continue to be stomped. So. Nothing really changes just stuff costing more.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 313	Posted - 2015.06.05 01:19:00 - [16] - Quote what we really need to do is decrease payout when using proto. this includes PC. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 01:34:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: So, I'm in 7th pd thinking about my pro gal scout and thinking about forming a pro stomping squad for weekend. You write down the actual problem then come up with a wholly unrelated solution. Well done . Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 258	Posted - 2015.06.05 04:29:00 - [18] - Quote I think the problem is inverted. There are players who have a large income (or did) from being part of large corps who were getting passive income. The other players even with the right skills could not keep up with the isk cost to fight them. So this solution would only tilt the playing field further do to the unequal amount of isk (which is independent of an individuals abilities, gun game, or SP) but highly dependent on corp one is with. My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2015.06.05 04:57:00 - [19] - Quote If you greatly increase the price, you might weaken some regular proto stompers BUT alot have tons of isk, you'll be making it easier for them to proto stomp, and make it alot harder for nonregular proto users to ever use proto gear in the first place. Which Faction am I loyal to, you ask? The real question is, which one is paying the most?
SHERIFF joe arapio US Border Patrol 63	Posted - 2015.06.05 05:35:00 - [20] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? It doesn't matter to me. I have hundreds and hundreds if proto suits. This idea only hurts news guys getting proto and the poors.

Nachos 317	Posted - 2015.06.05 06:38:00 - [21] - Quote SHERIFF joe arapio wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? It doesn't matter to me. I have hundreds and hundreds if proto suits. This idea only hurts news guys getting proto and the poors. sota pop why u banned? zor's alt
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:36:00 - [22] - Quote Kinky Fat Bastard wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? Awesome, it will mean more people can't afford to run it - in other words, those that can afford to run it will continue to, those that cant will jump into their apex suits. Those that don't have Apex suits will continue to be stomped. So. Nothing really changes just stuff costing more. Even at double the price I have enough isk to run proto for another 1.5-2 years (hope to god I won't still be playing then) And there are players with 2,3,5,7,10 times more isk than me. That's why we need more ISK sinks to dry up all the excess ISK. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:39:00 - [23] - Quote SHERIFF joe arapio wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? It doesn't matter to me. I have hundreds and hundreds if proto suits. This idea only hurts news guys getting proto and the poors. That's why we need more ISK sinks to dry up all the excess ISK. If there were SKINs or other cool stuff that could be purchased for a high ISK price, that might help. Or would you prefer to wipe everyone's ISK? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: SHERIFF joe arapio wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This isn't a bad idea. What do you think about doubling the cost of Proto gear? It doesn't matter to me. I have hundreds and hundreds if proto suits. This idea only hurts news guys getting proto and the poors. That's why we need more ISK sinks to dry up all the excess ISK. If there were SKINs or other cool stuff that could be purchased for a high ISK price, that might help. Or would you prefer to wipe everyone's ISK? If we really want to balance it... Then I think we should take away all isk. Remove personal isk, have corperation / factional / whoever deals with pubs isk instead. Have them set a per battle limit of how much they're willing to doll out per match. As it stands, personal isk is useless beyond the "farm it, then blow it all away on protato stompage." I'm sure people would hate this though, hence why the game will continue to have pointless features that ruin it.


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