DUST Search - What do you consider a mediocre KDR and W/L?

Deadly Goliath wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

This also largely depends on what game modes you run and with whom.

Someone like Duna is always running pubs with other squad members as meat shields and distractions.

Others run lots of PC, and will invariably have lower KDRs and W/L percentages because they have no problem challenging themselves.

Likewise, a good KDR for a sniper is going to be different than a repping Logi.

I run a M-1 scout, which is ranked at 120 on the list Rattati gave in terms of KDR for the game, with a KDR of .57. I have games below that, but some way above, and am generally above average given those facts.

Its just really hard to gauge such things with how all over the place the game circumstances, changing mechanics, matches etc can be.

Yes, average K/D differs depending on what game modes you play and what you run. But I am talking about average K/D of all players in Dust 514.

Let us imagine that Duna and his friends are on the other team in tanks, their whole team's kils add up to 86, this would mean that the opposing team's deaths would add up to 86 as well ( Maybe more if there were suicides ). 86 divided by 86 is 1. Blink

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote Read the subject? What is an average KDR and W/L? Not being role specific, you can break it down by role of you feel inclined. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 633	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:43:00 - [2] - Quote Whatever mine is... We want cake and tea.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:46:00 - [3] - Quote It depends, what are your stats?
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 192	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:47:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Read the subject? What is an average KDR and W/L? Not being role specific, you can break it down by role of you feel inclined. it doesn't matter this is dust, you can have a crappy kdr and be at the top of the EOM screen and win loss depends usually on your whole team not your solo records but if you want to put something out there I'd say a kd lower then .5 would be bad and a win loss of under .3 would be bad in my opinion
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:49:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It depends, what are your stats? Ah, a fair question. For the purposes of this discussion let's assume I have 30mil lifetime SP. One proto dropsuit, one weapon, and several cores at IV or close. That what you were looking for? @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.28 22:53:00 - [6] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: it doesn't matter this is dust, you can have a crappy kdr and be at the top of the EOM screen and win loss depends usually on your whole team not your solo records but if you want to put something out there I'd say a kd lower then .5 would be bad and a win loss of under .3 would be bad in my opinion I don't disagree with you there. KDR is a poor judge of value and skill. That being said, when you pair KDR and W/L with other stats you can arrive at a decent representation of a player's skill level so they have some importance... Just not as much as people think. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Oswald Rehnquist 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:01:00 - [7] - Quote Something like this if sticking to one role and not diversifying gameplay, I understood mediocre as slightly below average rather than terrible. Frontal Assaults 2.5 Frontal Logis 2.0 Frontal Scouts 1.5 Sentinel 2.0 Commando 2.5 Hacking Scouts 0.75 Equipment Logi 1.0 Tanks 10.0 Dropships 10.0 Snipers 6.0 With pubs as they are throwing you into already over matches due to people bailing matches, W/L isn't as strong of an indicator it once was. Below 28 dB
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 118	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:05:00 - [8] - Quote Its hard to say really, I guess it depends on how much proto you wear and how often play the objective. You could easily play very cautiously in proto and not die very often, but does that make you a better player than someone who perhaps dies more often due to playing the objective harder.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:07:00 - [9] - Quote unless logi, a kd of 1 or higher is fine. Even less is OK. I hover around 1.31 because of deaths in beta I can't catch up to with kills and my logi and fooling around. I don't really care if I die. Gassault Galogi Galsent Galmando Galscout `Open Beta Vet - 44 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Deadly Goliath Omega Warlords 73	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:09:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Read the subject? What is an average KDR and W/L? Not being role specific, you can break it down by role of you feel inclined. Well it is actually simple maths, the average KD will be around 0.98 because every time someone kills, someone dies, simple But it isn't exactly 1 because there are suicides as well. And the WL ratio would be exactly 1 as well. I'll whip ya head boy

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:12:00 - [11] - Quote This also largely depends on what game modes you run and with whom. Someone like Duna is always running pubs with other squad members as meat shields and distractions. Others run lots of PC, and will invariably have lower KDRs and W/L percentages because they have no problem challenging themselves. Likewise, a good KDR for a sniper is going to be different than a repping Logi. I run a M-1 scout, which is ranked at 120 on the list Rattati gave in terms of KDR for the game, with a KDR of .57. I have games below that, but some way above, and am generally above average given those facts. Its just really hard to gauge such things with how all over the place the game circumstances, changing mechanics, matches etc can be. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
S3dINS Destiva G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 46	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:12:00 - [12] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Whatever mine is... Mine too. Actually lower than average would be my assessment of my kdr. If kdr was a school subject my teacher would write "could try harder" on my visor. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" This looks nothing like my signature
Deadly Goliath Omega Warlords 75	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:27:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: This also largely depends on what game modes you run and with whom. Someone like Duna is always running pubs with other squad members as meat shields and distractions. Others run lots of PC, and will invariably have lower KDRs and W/L percentages because they have no problem challenging themselves. Likewise, a good KDR for a sniper is going to be different than a repping Logi. I run a M-1 scout, which is ranked at 120 on the list Rattati gave in terms of KDR for the game, with a KDR of .57. I have games below that, but some way above, and am generally above average given those facts. Its just really hard to gauge such things with how all over the place the game circumstances, changing mechanics, matches etc can be. Yes, average K/D differs depending on what game modes you play and what you run. But I am talking about average K/D of all players in Dust 514. Let us imagine that Duna and his friends are on the other team in tanks, their whole team's kils add up to 86, this would mean that the opposing team's deaths would add up to 86 as well ( Maybe more if there were suicides ). 86 divided by 86 is 1. I'll whip ya head boy
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:31:00 - [14] - Quote Mediocre would be somewhere a little above my stats. I still love spamming my Imperial BPOs and raking in ISK even if I do have to admit my stats are that of a scrub. We should remove the current leaderboards and replace them with ISK efficiency and WP/D.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:35:00 - [15] - Quote There are a lot of variables. For example, the game mode will make a difference. Whether they play a lot of PC will make a difference. What tier gear they run will make a difference. What Mu band they're in will make a difference. What kind of target population you're using will make a difference - do you mean average for your corp, your team, or the entire game? I consider a K/D and W/L of 1.00 to be the standard of a good player in Pubs though. I also consider W/L to be more important than K/D. It should also be noted that K/D doesn't mean diddly-squat in PC though. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:38:00 - [16] - Quote Deadly Goliath wrote: One Eyed King wrote: This also largely depends on what game modes you run and with whom. Someone like Duna is always running pubs with other squad members as meat shields and distractions. Others run lots of PC, and will invariably have lower KDRs and W/L percentages because they have no problem challenging themselves. Likewise, a good KDR for a sniper is going to be different than a repping Logi. I run a M-1 scout, which is ranked at 120 on the list Rattati gave in terms of KDR for the game, with a KDR of .57. I have games below that, but some way above, and am generally above average given those facts. Its just really hard to gauge such things with how all over the place the game circumstances, changing mechanics, matches etc can be. Yes, average K/D differs depending on what game modes you play and what you run. But I am talking about average K/D of all players in Dust 514. Let us imagine that Duna and his friends are on the other team in tanks, their whole team's kils add up to 86, this would mean that the opposing team's deaths would add up to 86 as well ( Maybe more if there were suicides ). 86 divided by 86 is 1. I don't think we are having the same discussion. I get the math, just as I get that an IQ of 100 is average. I don't know how that is relevant to my point, unless there is something I am missing. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 169	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:38:00 - [17] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Read the subject? What is an average KDR and W/L? Not being role specific, you can break it down by role of you feel inclined. it doesn't matter this is dust, you can have a crappy kdr and be at the top of the EOM screen and win loss depends usually on your whole team not your solo records but if you want to put something out there I'd say a kd lower then .5 would be bad and a win loss of under .3 would be bad in my opinion Agreed unless you are a logi Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit rank 10 winmataar
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:43:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Joel II X wrote: It depends, what are your stats? Ah, a fair question. For the purposes of this discussion let's assume I have 30mil lifetime SP. One proto dropsuit, one weapon, and several cores at IV or close. That what you were looking for? No, as it also depends on what TYPE of suit and weapon, and the playstyle of such person. Anywho, I'd say close to 1.2 K/D solo with the stats given. Average wins .8 solo.
Nachos 213	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:06:00 - [19] - Quote Pubs: Logi - 0.3 KD, 1.5 W/L 1 W/L solo Assault/Scout - 4 KD, 2 W/L 0.5 W/L solo Heavy/Comando - 2 KD, 2 W/L 1 W/L solo weekly KD + WL give the most accurate ratings...we all went negative as a newbro that wrecks our lifetime KD xavier zor's alt knifed musturd, radar, duna xavier zor
Nachos 213	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: There are a lot of variables. For example, the game mode will make a difference. Whether they play a lot of PC will make a difference. What tier gear they run will make a difference. What Mu band they're in will make a difference. What kind of target population you're using will make a difference - do you mean average for your corp, your team, or the entire game? I consider a K/D and W/L of 1.00 to be the standard of a good player in Pubs though. I also consider W/L to be more important than K/D. It should also be noted that K/D doesn't mean diddly-squat in PC though. it does in certain situations such as wanting to re-attack xavier zor's alt knifed musturd, radar, duna xavier zor

RA Drahcir 0uter.Heaven 479	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:10:00 - [21] - Quote Assaults 2.5 Logi 0.2 Scout 2 Commando 1 Heavy 3 Tanker 30 ADS 25 W/L 1.5
Nachos 213	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:14:00 - [22] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Assaults 2.5 Logi 0.2 Scout 2 Commando 1 Heavy 3 Tanker 30 ADS 25 W/L 1.5 Assaults should have higher KD, being able to 1v1 every suit in the game (if you can shoot) and run away fast xavier zor's alt knifed musturd, radar, duna xavier zor
Her Chosen Grade No.2 290	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:22:00 - [23] - Quote Who cares? bi-polar Latest Upload
Nachos 213	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:24:00 - [24] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Who cares? 'You' do xavier zor's alt knifed musturd, radar, duna xavier zor
Her Chosen Grade No.2 290	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:25:00 - [25] - Quote Nachos wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Assaults 2.5 Logi 0.2 Scout 2 Commando 1 Heavy 3 Tanker 30 ADS 25 W/L 1.5 Assaults should have higher KD, being able to 1v1 every suit in the game (if you can shoot) and run away fast Assaults are meant to push, and that results in deaths. I'd say a worth while assault should have a KDR between 2-3. Anything less, they aren't effective, and anything more they are just KDR padding and going for kills that simply do not matter. Of course in Ambush gamemode, 0 deaths are the measuring sticks. bi-polar Latest Upload
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.05.29 00:58:00 - [26] - Quote Depends on your preferred play style, and whether or not you run in a squad. Ofc, solo players should have a 1.0 W/L, but they can't really control it. Myself, you have no hope to judge my KD, because I've been around too long and have extensively done every play style there is to play. Some of which rarely score kills, such as dropship piloting and (proper) logi medic-swag. Aloha snackbar
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:00:00 - [27] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Nachos wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Assaults 2.5 Logi 0.2 Scout 2 Commando 1 Heavy 3 Tanker 30 ADS 25 W/L 1.5 Assaults should have higher KD, being able to 1v1 every suit in the game (if you can shoot) and run away fast Assaults are meant to push, and that results in deaths. I'd say a worth while assault should have a KDR between 2-3. Anything less, they aren't effective, and anything more they are just KDR padding and going for kills that simply do not matter. Of course in Ambush gamemode, 0 deaths are the measuring sticks. That also varies alot. Back in beta, heavies always had tons of kills, but almost as many deaths. For some reason that carried over to assaults, but only temporarily. We'll likely see it change again. Aloha snackbar
Oswald Rehnquist 1	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:03:00 - [28] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202296&find=unread Probably a worth while page, average kdr by suit (not for weapon or vehicles) Below 28 dB
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote My stats are average Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:13:00 - [30] - Quote You know, I used to think WLwas the end all stat in dust for players, but I don't anymore. Its hard to have a good WL even if you are a great, great player, if the rest of your team is a sack of potatoes (or nonexistent like recently) Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)



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