DUST Search - Why the Scrambler Rifle Hate?

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Because its not a popular rifle, and it killed a couple guys. So they came here to QQ about it. And boy, do people qq about it.

The day I see the Scrambler rifle dominating in both close range and long range, hell i'll call for a nerf right away. It shouldn't be a close range weapon, and you know what? Its not. Ask bitter vet whats the weapon of choice for short range or long range combat. Its going to be either the combat rifle or the rail rifle.

The FOTM is a GA assault with a rail rifle. Why isnt it the GA / Min assault with scramblers? Because the drawbacks are big enough to neccesitate investing at least Amarr Assault level 3 to use it effectively.

Its Kill per sapwn ratio falls neatly in line with the other rifles. Shown by rattati here Something its detractors either don't know about or completley ignore. If kills were out of line, well then we'd have problem that i beleive ought to be adressed. But...it isnt.

Even the detractors in this same post say the same thing, If your in medium range and if you manage your heat and if your fighting shield tanked enemies and If you have the amarr assault...then its OP. Or as i like to call it, actually working properly.

But because people complained so much ratatti got to do something to placate the infantry. Which is a bit sad. But thats the dust 514 forums for ya.

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hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 225	Posted - 2015.05.27 08:22:00 - [1] - Quote Its good but the drawbacks are immense. It can only take on a couple people before overheating , only effective on the amarr assault, +20/-20 damage profile(we all know the armor meta is going strong). Its benefits, it can empty half a magazine in a couple seconds, therefore giving it the highest dps of all rifles next to the combat rile. Nerf that and the Tac Ar will be the choice weapon for Amarr assaults, because higher damage,no overheat, at the cost of lower rof. What's the point of a high rof anyway if your damage output is too low to finish off a couple enemies? Thats all. Edit: If the the Nerf is really set, why not lower the heat build up. I'm totally against this because its taking away what's special about the Scr(the high skill threshold), but at least itd be usable just without the high dps. Kind of lame though. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 463	Posted - 2015.05.27 10:57:00 - [2] - Quote Scrambler rifle hate is pretty easy to understand : - Highest DPS with an effective range exceeding 75m - Super accurate - Super easy to handle (no spread, low kick etc) - Charge shot Having the gun not able to kill more than 2 guys before overheatig is NOT a drawback because any other rifle wouldn't do it either as the guy would not have the time to apply the damage before dying (and some rifles need reload after dealing roughly the same damage as the ScR before overheating). You don't balance a weapon considering the HP meta. If the weapon is fine against armour with that extreme profile, it's completely OP vs shield CR has a real DPS of 420 if you don't use turbo, not over 700 Also there is no skill required to use that gun, the DPS allows you to miss many shots and still kill faster than an accurate opponent. The so-called skill required to avoid overheat is BS, just play a few games with it without being completely dumb and you'll know when to stop. Moreover if the overheat is gonna happen right before you finish the guy, switch to sidearm and finish the work, the damage was so quick to apply in the first phase that the switching time doesn't allow your opponent to come back before it's too late. Many things I've said are part of the uniqueness of the laser weapons (accuracy, charge shot etc) and so should not be nerfed. However the advantages they give should be balanced by something alse (lower DPS) Warhammer 40k Space Marine is a game that has many problems, but the balance between guns is remarkable in that game. The plasma gun is nearly the same thing as ScR, it has nearly no spread/kick, is longer range, as a charged shot (but it looks more like a MD shot ), it overheats and it's much more effective against the shield equivalent of SM. To compensate the superior accuracy, the range, the existence of a charge shot etc, the plasma gun has a slightly lower base DPS than the bolter (AR of SM) and the balance is great. Bring down the RoF to 480 RPM should be fine
Yeeeuuuupppp No Context 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 11:37:00 - [3] - Quote Reg scr: 1 charge pew= "Sir, you are no longer shielded, shall we retreat?" "HOLY ASDHGS OW THAT HURT! bunny hops into cover" Assault scr: meltmeltmeltmeltmelt, "Oh you have 1k armor? HA" meltmeltmeltmeltmeltmelt +50.. Ascr is so dumb and makes me rage *I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 11:52:00 - [4] - Quote Backs out of cover for a second Zzzzz......PEW PEW PEW 10 armor left Im just a glorified blueberry
Duke Noobiam Incorruptibles 467	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:05:00 - [5] - Quote hails8n wrote: Its good but the drawbacks are immense. It can only take on a couple people before overheating , only effective on the amarr assault, +20/-20 damage profile(we all know the armor meta is going strong). Its benefits, it can empty half a magazine in a couple seconds, therefore giving it the highest dps of all rifles next to the combat rile. Nerf that and the Tac Ar will be the choice weapon for Amarr assaults, because higher damage,no overheat, at the cost of lower rof. What's the point of a high rof anyway if your damage output is too low to finish off a couple enemies? Thats all. Edit: If the the Nerf is really set, why not lower the heat build up. I'm totally against this because its taking away what's special about the Scr(the high skill threshold), but at least itd be usable just without the high dps. Kind of lame though. 1. The only weapon that's good at taking on multiple opponents is the hmg. So that argument is not valid. 2. Imo, the biggest issue with it is the charge shot followed by a quick burst. When used like that, the dps blows all other weapons out of the water.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:07:00 - [6] - Quote I dont hate it, I use it on my amarr suited alt, logi/assault. I have noticed quite a few ppl picking it up, even more than back when it was really strong. The ascr is fun to use, but needs to be addressed in its damage vs armor (sheer rpm) and its inability to overheat at all on amarr assault. Some minor tweaks would benefit, but then again it's not the only weapon that needs it. Its just popular, hence crying, hence nerf bat. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 88	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:19:00 - [7] - Quote hails8n wrote: Its good but the drawbacks are immense. It can only take on a couple people before overheating , only effective on the amarr assault, +20/-20 damage profile(we all know the armor meta is going strong). Its benefits, it can empty half a magazine in a couple seconds, therefore giving it the highest dps of all rifles next to the combat rile. Nerf that and the Tac Ar will be the choice weapon for Amarr assaults, because higher damage,no overheat, at the cost of lower rof. What's the point of a high rof anyway if your damage output is too low to finish off a couple enemies? Thats all. Edit: If the the Nerf is really set, why not lower the heat build up. I'm totally against this because its taking away what's special about the Scr(the high skill threshold), but at least itd be usable just without the high dps. Kind of lame though. Call me a crier but the ScR is getting out of hand..... the dps against armour is what is most likely warranting this nerf..... One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:45:00 - [8] - Quote It'll go like this : >Nerf to ScR - no reason to use amass [other than for laser rifle] >Following the decrease of amass, there will be more minass with six kins >Since the best counters to them are ScR and AR, they (minass) will be even better cuz AR sucks. Caldari Loyalist Uka ki onuoto Kirjuun. Nei ya arekaini saaja hui ka Heiian! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 563	Posted - 2015.05.27 13:53:00 - [9] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: It'll go like this : >Nerf to ScR - no reason to use amass [other than for laser rifle] >Following the decrease of amass, there will be more minass with six kins >Since the best counters to them are ScR and AR, they (minass) will be even better cuz AR sucks. AR will be buffed though Click me
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Mejt0 wrote: It'll go like this : >Nerf to ScR - no reason to use amass [other than for laser rifle] >Following the decrease of amass, there will be more minass with six kins >Since the best counters to them are ScR and AR, they (minass) will be even better cuz AR sucks. AR will be buffed though Its been buffed few times already. You can observe how that ended. Still lacking compared to other guns. But we'll see what will happen after these proposed changes. People will jump on the fotm train anyway. Caldari Loyalist Uka ki onuoto Kirjuun. Nei ya arekaini saaja hui ka Heiian! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu

Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 926	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:14:00 - [11] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Mejt0 wrote: It'll go like this : >Nerf to ScR - no reason to use amass [other than for laser rifle] >Following the decrease of amass, there will be more minass with six kins >Since the best counters to them are ScR and AR, they (minass) will be even better cuz AR sucks. AR will be buffed though The AR will not be "buffed" until they look in their notes and return that weapon to its Uprising 1.6 glory. That would be a buff. Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 689	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:20:00 - [12] - Quote A shield users' nightmare. Eliminates targets in seconds. Stable, high DPS, very accurate and charged shot. Amarr heat bonus coupled with the trained trigger pull...dead reds. What do the shield users' have? Long range unstable weaponry that doesn't compare on its best day to SCR. Mwahahahahahahaaa! Saying what's on people's minds
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:24:00 - [13] - Quote Because besides the overheat it has no draw back. And while the six kin at least has trouble when going up vs shields(which would be a bigger drawback if it were possible to go 400+ shields on a non cal suit) the ScR melts through armour tanks to its high dmg profile, good accuracy and insane RoF which can be exploited by a modded controller(but doesn't need to) you throw in aim assist and bullet magnatisim then the skill weapon which provide a high reward with high risk becomes less...skill reliant. All that being said, the weapon would instantly become balance if we disabled AA and bullet magnatisim and somehow disabled modded controller use. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 846	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote Here is a comparison that may get the point across. Imagine if the Charged Sniper Rifle could also fire "quick shots" for 150-ish damage immediately after the charge? You can charge up, unleash a 350 damage shot ( if you miss the head) , then follow it up immediately with multiple 150 damage shots to finish the job. How much QQing would there be if this was the case? The SCR is essentially the same thing on a lower alpha damage scale but with a faster ROF. The hest build up isn't nearly what it should be. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote Because its not a popular rifle, and it killed a couple guys. So they came here to QQ about it. And boy, do people qq about it. The day I see the Scrambler rifle dominating in both close range and long range, hell i'll call for a nerf right away. It shouldn't be a close range weapon, and you know what? Its not. Ask bitter vet whats the weapon of choice for short range or long range combat. Its going to be either the combat rifle or the rail rifle. The FOTM is a GA assault with a rail rifle. Why isnt it the GA / Min assault with scramblers? Because the drawbacks are big enough to neccesitate investing at least Amarr Assault level 3 to use it effectively. Its Kill per sapwn ratio falls neatly in line with the other rifles. Shown by rattati here Something its detractors either don't know about or completley ignore. If kills were out of line, well then we'd have problem that i beleive ought to be adressed. But...it isnt. Even the detractors in this same post say the same thing, If your in medium range and if you manage your heat and if your fighting shield tanked enemies and If you have the amarr assault...then its OP. Or as i like to call it, actually working properly. But because people complained so much ratatti got to do something to placate the infantry. Which is a bit sad. But thats the dust 514 forums for ya. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Spectre-M The Generals 881	Posted - 2015.05.27 19:02:00 - [16] - Quote Does it still have the highest fitting cost of all the rifles? Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 775	Posted - 2015.05.27 19:47:00 - [17] - Quote meanwhile min assault and CR is still the most competitive fit in the game... hmm
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 231	Posted - 2015.05.27 19:55:00 - [18] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Does it still have the highest fitting cost of all the rifles? Yes it'll still eat up all your pg. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics 191	Posted - 2015.05.27 19:56:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Because its not a popular rifle, and it killed a couple guys. So they came here to QQ about it. And boy, do people qq about it. ... But because people complained so much ratatti got to do something to placate the infantry. Which is a bit sad. But thats the dust 514 forums for ya. Reads my heart and speaks it...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 20:35:00 - [20] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: A shield users' nightmare. Eliminates targets in seconds. Stable, high DPS, very accurate and charged shot. Amarr heat bonus coupled with the trained trigger pull...dead reds. What do the shield users' have? Long range unstable weaponry that doesn't compare on its best day to SCR. Mwahahahahahahaaa! Yes but what you are doing is comparing the standard variants of weaponry in an unfinished weapons system to a tactical variant (of which there is another example of a 1000 DPS weapon WITH better Armour DPS). That being said why does no one complain about the Tac AR. +1000 DPS vs Shields and 100 DPS more than the ScR vs Armour, same rate of fire, scope, no heat build up, benefits from the Gal Assault Bonus, etc. All the same faults as the ScR but none of the QQ. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 399	Posted - 2015.05.27 20:49:00 - [21] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Because its not a popular rifle, and it killed a couple guys. So they came here to QQ about it. And boy, do people qq about it. The day I see the Scrambler rifle dominating in both close range and long range, hell i'll call for a nerf right away. It shouldn't be a close range weapon, and you know what? Its not. Ask bitter vet whats the weapon of choice for short range or long range combat. Its going to be either the combat rifle or the rail rifle. The FOTM is a GA assault with a rail rifle. Why isnt it the GA / Min assault with scramblers? Because the drawbacks are big enough to neccesitate investing at least Amarr Assault level 3 to use it effectively. Its Kill per sapwn ratio falls neatly in line with the other rifles. Shown by rattati here Something its detractors either don't know about or completley ignore. If kills were out of line, well then we'd have problem that i beleive ought to be adressed. But...it isnt. Even the detractors in this same post say the same thing, If your in medium range and if you manage your heat and if your fighting shield tanked enemies and If you have the amarr assault...then its OP. Or as i like to call it, actually working properly. But because people complained so much ratatti got to do something to placate the infantry. Which is a bit sad. But thats the dust 514 forums for ya. I'm pretty sure this guy uses scrambler rifles. I would like a Gallente SMG.
bathtubist Destinys Immortals 122	Posted - 2015.05.27 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote hails8n wrote: Its good but the drawbacks are immense. It can only take on a couple people before overheating , only effective on the amarr assault, +20/-20 damage profile(we all know the armor meta is going strong). Its benefits, it can empty half a magazine in a couple seconds, therefore giving it the highest dps of all rifles next to the combat rile. Nerf that and the Tac Ar will be the choice weapon for Amarr assaults, because higher damage,no overheat, at the cost of lower rof. What's the point of a high rof anyway if your damage output is too low to finish off a couple enemies? Thats all. Edit: If the the Nerf is really set, why not lower the heat build up. I'm totally against this because its taking away what's special about the Scr(the high skill threshold), but at least itd be usable just without the high dps. Kind of lame though. Scramblers are the next thing on my hate list right next to re's I ******* hate that wep "Remote Explosives throwing distance has been reduced" - CCp Rattati Re''s have been nerfed We always see you
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 233	Posted - 2015.05.27 21:10:00 - [23] - Quote bathtubist wrote: hails8n wrote: Its good but the drawbacks are immense. It can only take on a couple people before overheating , only effective on the amarr assault, +20/-20 damage profile(we all know the armor meta is going strong). Its benefits, it can empty half a magazine in a couple seconds, therefore giving it the highest dps of all rifles next to the combat rile. Nerf that and the Tac Ar will be the choice weapon for Amarr assaults, because higher damage,no overheat, at the cost of lower rof. What's the point of a high rof anyway if your damage output is too low to finish off a couple enemies? Thats all. Edit: If the the Nerf is really set, why not lower the heat build up. I'm totally against this because its taking away what's special about the Scr(the high skill threshold), but at least itd be usable just without the high dps. Kind of lame though. Scramblers are the next thing on my hate list right next to re's I ******* hate that wep Ofcourse, a scrub like you would hate the scrambler rifle. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.05.27 22:09:00 - [24] - Quote IMO It's a weird weapon When I use it it feels balanced - yes I can and have one shotted light frames But I have also had suits that seem like they take forever to kill - where a acr would have been a better choice ( I use a combo of either A/1 or Ak0 with x2 or 3 dmg mods) When I'm up against it it feels nightmarishly strong especially if I'm in a Cal assault I'll get killed as if I don't even have that small amount of armor on the suit


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