DUST Search - LP Apex or LP Skin?

deezy dabest wrote:

Cruxio wrote:

Do you guys think the apex suits will still be worth something after the powercore idea? Because the extra slots and bpo aspect would be irrelevant once the powercore idea goes into effect. Also running standard items isn't all that expensive, and I don't really like the color of the suit.

Should I just get the skin?

If I didn't know about the powercore idea, apex would be the obvious choice, with the powercore idea it seems irrelevant, maybe I am just not understanding the value of apex suits correctly, which is why I'm asking. Obviously can get both eventually, but I don't know how long FacWar will stay active, which is my main concern.

You are making a pretty big assumption that this will be implemented any time soon.

1. We are on a skeleton crew of developers.

2. Even with a full crew it would take months and months to rebalance numbers around this idea.

3. The actual mechanics of if / how they want to or can implement this will likely take a couple of months on its own thanks to number 1.

4. There is no way to know how suits will land. See number 3.

5. The team is obviously fully focused on Planetary Conquest so when the process even gets to begin is a big question.

6. Since CCP will not speak about the future of the game we do not even know if it will remain on its current path long enough to see this idea implemented. The possible scenarios are endless.

Basically what it comes down to is like everything else in Dust you can not spend based on speculation. If you want to enjoy Dust only spend money that you will get to enjoy in the next 30 days because beyond that is always a big question.

EDIT:

When I think about it this is exactly why CCP has to be so tight lipped on things. Wild speculation and rumor mongering are more rampant in Dust than any game or software that I have ever seen. This is partly CCP's fault for always being vague on actual things and for not making follow up statements to squash the rampant rumors that get started.

We as the community only make this issue worse by going right along with those situations and even spreading those rumors to people in game that do not bother with the forum meta game.

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Cruxio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.05.17 23:54:00 - [1] - Quote Do you guys think the apex suits will still be worth something after the powercore idea? Because the extra slots and bpo aspect would be irrelevant once the powercore idea goes into effect. Also running standard items isn't all that expensive, and I don't really like the color of the suit. Should I just get the skin? If I didn't know about the powercore idea, apex would be the obvious choice, with the powercore idea it seems irrelevant, maybe I am just not understanding the value of apex suits correctly, which is why I'm asking. Obviously can get both eventually, but I don't know how long FacWar will stay active, which is my main concern.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7580	Posted - 2015.05.17 23:57:00 - [2] - Quote Skins agent worth the price of a fully fitted BPO.
Cruxio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:01:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Skins agent worth the price of a fully fitted BPO. Thank you for the reply, and yes I know they cost the same, which is why I'm having to decide which I should get. A fully fitted BPO in the current system is clearly better, but I fear will diminish severely under the powercore idea, which is making me consider the skins instead. I guess I am curious if the LP apex will have much utility after Powercore.
Droopy Bawlz myrtle beach leap frogz 434	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:03:00 - [4] - Quote This is one of the easiest choices you will ever have. Apex suit by far. Value is worth probably 50-100M. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7581	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:07:00 - [5] - Quote Cruxio wrote: Joel II X wrote: Skins agent worth the price of a fully fitted BPO. Thank you for the reply, and yes I know they cost the same, which is why I'm having to decide which I should get. A fully fitted BPO in the current system is clearly better, but I fear will diminish severely under the powercore idea, which is making me consider the skins instead. I guess I am curious if the LP apex will have much utility after Powercore. A suit that costs the same as a skin is still better, even if the power core idea might be implemented in 2 years or so.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10149	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:12:00 - [6] - Quote Currently APEX suits are marginally better than standard suits. If tiericide from the power core idea goes through the only benefit of APEX suits will be the free prefit slots and maybe their skin if you like it. But honestly like you said standard gear isn't that expensive and if you run FW that much you'll need to use better suits. Meanwhile SKINs apply to your proto fits and have no aurum equivalent so you'll certainly feel special. Now assuming you get 2k LP per win and generously win 90% of the time (Amarr FW is the losing side yet my squads usually do well) that will take you roughly 56 matches to get your LP. Now let's say you average 250k from a pub match, win or lose, that's a forfeited 14 million ISK. Then you tack on the 10 million ISK just to buy the suit, that's 24M ISK and I'm not even factoring in the fact that FW have longer queue times or the costs of the suits you'll burn through to win those matches. Given that a full proto suit is around 200k ISK, that's 120 proto fits for the cost of a BPO or SKIN. Personally I believe the skins are worth it simply because you can't buy them with aurum. APEX suits not so much but I never did like them much. When we can trade these I imagine a hefty convenience multiplier to the prices, these will probably start at 100M ISK and I'm curious who will actually pay for that. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 153	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:13:00 - [7] - Quote Lemme put it simply. APEX is OP now. I can make my Shaman Logi go 1/1 with 3071 WP. For 30k. BDR-8 Rep Tool, Viziam Stable Link, Enhanced Extenders (x4). The rep tool bonus makes Minmatar Logistics a great choice for an APEX suit and now that you can put on a good rep tool, it is ridiculous. I have 4 SKINs and 4 APEX suits. I would gladly trade any SKIN for any APEX suit. My worst DUST experience? Having my dropship crush my Scotsman's with a Roden Sniper. THAT was a fun day...
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1920	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote Go with your gut, which sounds like the SKIN. Yes, the Apex will sell for more ISK if you trade it. If you need ISK, then the APEX is the obvious choice. Forget the power core thing. There is only a chance it would ever be implemented, and probably not in our life time. Plus, there is no way to know how it would affect Apex or what the end idea would even be. Worry about what is going to bring you the most enjoyment right now, because that's all the DUST gods can promise you. No one knows what the future of DUST really will be, not even Rattati. You can put SKINs on any suit within it's size class, including proto. If you like the looks of one, and this isn't a ISK making decision, get the SKIN, and look Boss, like me. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10150	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:24:00 - [9] - Quote I will definitely say this, if Rattati comes back with any positive news towards power cores I would sell all your APEX suits ASAP. Tiericide will hurt resale value. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6645	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:27:00 - [10] - Quote Depends on the skin. But generally, using apex makes you a ****. Some details can be ignored

I-Shayz-I I----------I 5651	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote Whatever looks cooler really. I personally like the intricate detail of the SKINs, but they aren't very pretty. The APEX suits are pretty, but not very detailed. Though, apex suits will be worth a lot more isk...unless power cores take effect. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11705	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:45:00 - [12] - Quote Cruxio wrote: Joel II X wrote: Skins agent worth the price of a fully fitted BPO. Thank you for the reply, and yes I know they cost the same, which is why I'm having to decide which I should get. A fully fitted BPO in the current system is clearly better, but I fear will diminish severely under the powercore idea, which is making me consider the skins instead. I guess I am curious if the LP apex will have much utility after Powercore. I like your foresight. In the immediately term, LP APEX suits are currently the better investment. But in the long term, SKINs will be where the LP is at. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Henrietta Unknown Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1474	Posted - 2015.05.18 02:55:00 - [13] - Quote Well, looks like I'm getting a Caldari Medium Frame skin. Got enough BPO's already. Dat future resale value. Gallente skin values got nothing on it. GFW LP is awfully cheap to come by. Selling Items Store - Player Trading
deezy dabest 2301	Posted - 2015.05.18 03:43:00 - [14] - Quote Cruxio wrote: Do you guys think the apex suits will still be worth something after the powercore idea? Because the extra slots and bpo aspect would be irrelevant once the powercore idea goes into effect. Also running standard items isn't all that expensive, and I don't really like the color of the suit. Should I just get the skin? If I didn't know about the powercore idea, apex would be the obvious choice, with the powercore idea it seems irrelevant, maybe I am just not understanding the value of apex suits correctly, which is why I'm asking. Obviously can get both eventually, but I don't know how long FacWar will stay active, which is my main concern. You are making a pretty big assumption that this will be implemented any time soon. 1. We are on a skeleton crew of developers. 2. Even with a full crew it would take months and months to rebalance numbers around this idea. 3. The actual mechanics of if / how they want to or can implement this will likely take a couple of months on its own thanks to number 1. 4. There is no way to know how suits will land. See number 3. 5. The team is obviously fully focused on Planetary Conquest so when the process even gets to begin is a big question. 6. Since CCP will not speak about the future of the game we do not even know if it will remain on its current path long enough to see this idea implemented. The possible scenarios are endless. Basically what it comes down to is like everything else in Dust you can not spend based on speculation. If you want to enjoy Dust only spend money that you will get to enjoy in the next 30 days because beyond that is always a big question.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11707	Posted - 2015.05.18 04:14:00 - [15] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Cruxio wrote: Do you guys think the apex suits will still be worth something after the powercore idea? Because the extra slots and bpo aspect would be irrelevant once the powercore idea goes into effect. Also running standard items isn't all that expensive, and I don't really like the color of the suit. Should I just get the skin? If I didn't know about the powercore idea, apex would be the obvious choice, with the powercore idea it seems irrelevant, maybe I am just not understanding the value of apex suits correctly, which is why I'm asking. Obviously can get both eventually, but I don't know how long FacWar will stay active, which is my main concern. You are making a pretty big assumption that this will be implemented any time soon. 1. We are on a skeleton crew of developers. 2. Even with a full crew it would take months and months to rebalance numbers around this idea. 3. The actual mechanics of if / how they want to or can implement this will likely take a couple of months on its own thanks to number 1. 4. There is no way to know how suits will land. See number 3. 5. The team is obviously fully focused on Planetary Conquest so when the process even gets to begin is a big question. 6. Since CCP will not speak about the future of the game we do not even know if it will remain on its current path long enough to see this idea implemented. The possible scenarios are endless. Basically what it comes down to is like everything else in Dust you can not spend based on speculation. If you want to enjoy Dust only spend money that you will get to enjoy in the next 30 days because beyond that is always a big question. EDIT: When I think about it this is exactly why CCP has to be so tight lipped on things. Wild speculation and rumor mongering are more rampant in Dust than any game or software that I have ever seen. This is partly CCP's fault for always being vague on actual things and for not making follow up statements to squash the rampant rumors that get started. We as the community only make this issue worse by going right along with those situations and even spreading those rumors to people in game that do not bother with the forum meta game. That's why we need to wait for CCP Rattati to see if this is can even be implemented as described. If it is doable I will likely anticipate that it will take maybe 3 months to plan, develop, test, implement, and test some more based on our feedback. Keep in mind that the implementation may not be as complicated as you expect it to be. The community idea is simple enough to only affect suits while still taking advantage of the current skill tree we have. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
deezy dabest 2302	Posted - 2015.05.18 04:31:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: That's why we need to wait for CCP Rattati to see if this is can even be implemented as described. If it is doable I will likely anticipate that it will take maybe 3 months to plan, develop, test, implement, and test some more based on our feedback. Keep in mind that the implementation may not be as complicated as you expect it to be. The community idea is simple enough to only affect suits while still taking advantage of the current skill tree we have. You are completely right and I am optimistic on the idea. Lets just remember tho that skins to several months and that was after Ratatti had already worked with the development team to make sure that it would at least be viable. Also lets remember that we are talking about a change to every single suit in the game which is going to be approached with extreme caution as the possible negative effects could make the game 100% unplayable for an undetermined amount of time should it be bugged. It may sound crazy but I do not think power cores will be implemented any time before 2016 assuming we stay with a team of the current size. They just have so many things on their plate that would be considered higher priority that I can not see it as being viable any time before then. Obviously I have no idea of the inner workings over there or of Ratatti's liking of this idea enough to place it above other things so I may very well be off the mark by an incredible amount.


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